Noah's Ark

because whats being argued here is beliefs...religious beliefs an atheist's beliefs....so the comparision can be made about both...so hince the just as zealous phrase...

preoQpydDlusion said:

im sure secret agents from all of the wealthy christian nations know exactly whats up there.

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Ye and i bet thats why we dont know if it is or not. If a christian thats made shit loads of money from there donation schemes and so on found out that it was not noahs ark, they wouldnt want people to know. People would lose faith.

What about the Turin shroud? Held up as christs death shroud for years until SCIENCE proved that the oils left on the shroud were from a man that was still alive when he was wrapped up in it.

I believe the Catholic church are still holding onto it.

negative..those experment's were never made valid...also yes there's a church i believe in france that has the shroud...but since you want to go there...what of the spear of destiney....or the legend behind it...

Let's stick to what is real.

The oils on the shroud could only have been made by a man that was alive when wrapped in it.

I believe that the whole execution of Jesus was a charade. Set up between the Jewish elders and powerful men from the Roman empire. A lot of Romans were turning to christianity at the time. It must also have been seen to not be completely the Romans fault, as when they offered to release Jesus the Jews told them to release Barabus instead. So in this way, both the jews and the romans would be responsible for Jesus' death. In fact the Jews have been blamed more than the Romans, but I bet that the Jewish elders didn't realise that at the time.

What happened to Jesus after he 'arose again'? Maybe after he had visited a few places he was murdered by the Jewish elders or the romans. Jesus was a well-liked guy with oodles of charisma, he wouldn't have been allowed to live for very long with the secrets he held within him.

you ever looked into the book of judeh...

lets stick to whats real...ok we can talk more about god...thank you skunk for the ackowldgement

Why would i want to look into that book? You've not said anything about my post... ah fuck it. I really can't be arsed with you any more. I've never blanked anyone before, but I'm pretty close to putting you on my ignore list. You're just too difficult to communicate with.

I actually watched a documentary on this subject last night on The History Channel. It's called: History's Mysteries: The Search For Noah's Ark. It was very interesting, but the only solid evidence they could provide was two eyewitness accounts.

The first was an old man who actually climbed the mountain sometime in the 40's when there was an extreme drought in the area. According to this guy, his father took him up there to see the ark, as it was exposed from the heat melting all the ice. He described it as being huge and having large wooden steps in the rear that he actually climbed and stood on the ark.

The second guy climbed the mountain sometime in the 70's and said the conditions were the same as above. The difference this time was that the glacial melting was more extensive, thus causing the ark to slide down the mountain a little ways and break into two pieces. He described the steps and all just like the last guy, but this dude said he could actually see the decks inside.

These guys did not know one another, and were from two different countries. The problem I have with these "sightings" is that there is no photographic evidence of these accounts; only artists renditions of their memory. I'm still skeptical myself, but nonetheless, it was a good program. I highly reccomend it to anyone interesred in this subject.

In response to that delicately disected post of mine....I wont stretch screens any further by quoting it....

If you read the post...I specifically said it doesnt apply to all. Thats intended for anyone on this site. I could and would never say something like that based off the limited conversations I have with people here. One or two posts wouldnt warrant me thinking that way about anyone. Besides...just about everyone here is high so anything I hear on here is taken with a grain of salt.

I was talking about people I know IRL who Ive talked to several times about a myriad of things. They are zealots. Trust me if I thought this was you....I wouldnt have a problem finding the words to let YOU know so.

Your entire premise for that was all wrong. You had no reason to defend yourself because it was a general statement. Not anything directed at you.

"The problem I have with these "sightings" is that there is no photographic evidence of these accounts"

Cmon now E...you support the aliens theory. There are no pics of them either.

I suppose that means me. I'll admit I do hold a certain disrespect for people that believe in a god. Just as you would for me if I believed santa claus and the tooth fairy were real. To me they are all the same thing.

To say that you cannot know anything is false. One day we will know everything.

BloodShotI'z said:

"The problem I have with these "sightings" is that there is no photographic evidence of these accounts"

Cmon now E...you support the aliens theory. There are no pics of them either.

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TWO people seen this.........THOUSANDS have seen aliens. And there are some "supposed" photo's of aliens. Theur authenticity is definately in question though.

AZgrow....the shells found on mountain chains all over the world could have one day been on the ocean fllor, through tectonic movement eventually pushed upward. i read a good article about fossils and something that divinci observed. i dont remember the exact quote but it was a very reasonable explanation.

and i have to agree with preocupied about the missing link thing. i tried to explain that to a guy at work the other day, hardcore christian, he got heated real quick. i like to get him going sometimes, just me being the dick i am

This thread was a very good read.
I believe humans are humans and that the once large race is down to only color.
Yea, I believe the world once had huge/tiny humans and there is no missing link, we are just whats left.

preoQpydDlusion said:

my point about the flood is why would god kill all the animals and plants because he wanted to take out the humans? doesnt make sense to me.

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Haha is the God of the Torah and the Bible is real, I think we can say he's done a lot of morally questionable things. Sodom and Gomorrah, anyone?

But I suppose that a historical figure named Noah could have existed, and there is evidence of a flood, but I highly doubt anyone had the foresight to construct a giant ark just in the nick of time to survive it.
It's a very contradictory issue. Many regions have legends of a great flood (The Epic of Gilgamesh comes to mind), but then again many don't.