Nirvana Bubblelicious, let's be havin' ya.

Bumper cars, lol! They kinda are with the breeze in there I suppose.

Definitely not n tox, the other way around more like but I'm pleased with them regardless. They're very forgiving.

It looks like the leaves are growing so big they just don't have enough room, could be the reason it is curling under. Lift it up out of the way to give it some room to move and grow and she should just uncurl as normal. Does not look to me as if there is a nute problem ?

I did have some def issues slyone, but I've rectified them and took off the affected leaves during defoliation. 2 happy girls now.

So I've noticed there's quite a difference between the two girls, despite both sprouting and breaking ground on the same days respectively. My girl under the led (lefty) has loads of pistols on her flowers, but my girl under the cfl does not. She has flowers and bud sites, but I feel like she's stalled. Each flower was praying to her almighty this morning (whereas lefty was in athiest mode), but no pistols. You can see this difference in the most recent pics I posted, it's been a few days since then so surely I should be seeing some white hairs by now?

Thoughts and comments welcome as always

Ah I hate it that every time I write a long msg RIU app crashes and I lose all that i typed!
Anyway what I was saying is that there at least 2 factors to consider as to why thisbis happening
First, genetics! They are two different girls grown from two different seeds. They shouldnt be compared like two clones from the same mother
Second, lighting! You have two different types of lights (with different wattages spectrum lumen (most importantly PAR which photosynthetically available radiation). One light might look to our eyes as being brighter but this doesnt mean it has the kind (and amount) of specific lights required for photosynthesis (or flowering for that matter)
There are other factors to consider too. I hope this helps and happy. Growing

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It does help, thanks! I was thinking it might be the lights, but they've been neck and neck all along so it seemed unusual for righty to slow down all of a sudden. I'm away for the weekend so hopefully I'll see some progress when I get back.

DOSE re the app crashing, I don't use it myself but I do feel your pain,for different reasons. It happens to the best of us. It also makes me appreciate your help all the more! You legend

I'm excited to see how it all turns out! I've been wanting to try this strain out but my cabs full right now...maybe next cycle

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Is that your pup in your avatar? GORGEOUS!!! The scarf is just too much!

Right, time for a quick update.

Day 44: Both girls looked a little thirsty despite getting a good soaking only 4 days before. Lefty (under LED) is flowering beautifully, lots of white hairs sprouting on flower sites. Righty (under CFL), is very slow progressing in flower. I fed 500mls water with 1ml Alg-a-mic, 0.5ml Grow & 0.5ml Bloom to each, plus sprayed with leaf coat. PH was off, definitely less than 6 as I accidentally OD'd on the ph down, (1 literal drop can change it from too high to too low and I was a bit squeeze happy with my dropper as I was in a rush) and didn't have time to adjust. Watered them as it was only a small amount to get them through the weekend, and hope for the best.

Day 47: High temps over the weekend while I was away, around 30oC. More white hairs on Lefty. Rightly starting to show some white hairs now (wihoo!!) Very thirsty girls indeed, fed 3L between them, + foliar spray. 1.2mls Alg-a-mic, 1ml Grow & 1ml Bloom per litre. A little defoliation and LST. Possible phosphorous def on Lefty, I took off 2 leaves that looked a little yellow to brown patchy, I suspect Friday's ph may have had a part to play in that. Today's PH in the mid 6 range. Some of the tips look like they might have nute burn, will give it a day or so to see how they react to today's feed, will flush with clean water if necessary.

Smell: I noticed it properly last night when I got home, it's quite sharp, almost citrus like. Very nice indeed but I'm still hoping out for that hubba bubba or juicy fruit. Nom!!

Pics were taken this morning in natural light, just after their watering in the bath tub. Some difference!

I may have overwatered, Righty in particular is looking very droopy and bleagh, like she's pmt-ing. Still battling temps, cannot get it under 30oC. Balls. Stupid too hot CFL.

Right, here's the scene that greeted me this morning: Lefty is looking glorious under her LED, happy as a pig in shit. Righty has either become a religious zealot praying to every deity out there, or she's heat stressed and possibly light stressed. She looks a much lighter green on top I think, whereas the lower leaves are somewhat darker. I can see some mottling but I saw the same on Lefty yesterday so I reckon same issue, possible P def due to skewed PH. However, they're also very limp and curling under, like they're overwatered.

Temps are still a bitch, I've never been more torn about a heatwave. It's so rare to have such glorious weather, and ideal conditions to put them outside but not a chance with my dickhead neighbour. Despite windows open and a 16" fan cooling air outside the wardrobe, temps inside are still 30oC. The CFL has a fan blowing directly on it so I can touch the bulb for about 5secs, without the fan I can't touch it for more than a split second. Righty also has the benefit of the breeze flowing over her so it's actually quite cool around the main cola site, which makes heat stress in that area seem unusual. All her flowers are praying though, not just the main flower. The bulb is already 5" away so I don't want to raise it higher or she'll lose light.

In other news, it's just been confirmed that Donald Trump is a definite presidential candidate in the US. Fuck me, we're all doomed. I really hope I get a good harvest so I can die with a smile on my face!

dickhead neighbour - lol, I can relate to that one.... I have to hide mine behind my raspberry bush and have started to get creative and am drawing up plans for stealth... Haha, I always have to try and overcome these petty obstacles... At present I am winning The sun is glorious, I have learnt not to waste any of it wherever possible...

Anyway I would put it down to the heat at the moment it is all I could possibly suggest and keep a good eye on them as they will be wanting more water possibly due to the heat and possibly less food as they may go into some sort of survival mode to try and combat the current temps. ? I know if it gets too hot they will reduce growth because of the stress she is under ?

Ah stop man, the gowlbag only moved in a few weeks ago and all he does is roar and shout like a spoiled brat - at his (I assume) girlfriend/wife, kids who visit (ages from toddler to teen) and the latest is their little fluffy puppy, possibly no more than 8 weeks. After a day or so, he was screaming at the top of his lungs at it to "fuck off out and go to the toilet". Yeah, coz the pup perfectly understands him. He's already scarred that pup, at certain stages of their development, dog experience fear periods where they're far more sensitive, and a single event like that can cause irreparable damage. The dog is husky cross, is going to develop behavioural issues thanks to that gimp, and eventually is going to attack in defense. Will gimpoid pay the price? HELL No! The dog will, by lethal injection if he's lucky. GRRRR!!!!! I'd love to take a hurley to his head, the fucktard.


OK, rant over. I've raised the light another inch or so, and I've repositioned the 16" fan which has brought the temp down to 29oC. Not ideal but better better than nothing. Temps are set to continue as they are for the rest of the week so I foresee poor Righty never reaching her full potential. As long as Lefty holds out, all will not be lost. Next grow I'm definitely swapping out that CFL for a lower wattage - my original 125W was a doozie! I'll save the 300W for winter grows.

So I've decided to flip to a 14/10 cycle for a couple of reasons:

1) The heat. I can't get temps under 29oC. I have 2 fans going, wardrobe door open, window open and 29oC is the best I can do. Even then I'm struggling. My girls need a break!
2) Righty is just so slow to flower. She has hardly any white hairs whereas Lefty is blooming. I read somewhere that some BB seeds can be slow to flower so I'm hoping the flip will push things along.
3) My 8yr old niece is coming for a sleep over this weekend, I can't be dealing with her questions about the light under the door, what's in there and why is the room locked.

Sin e, watch this space for further updates.

Hey there .... plants are looking gorgeous ....dont worry too much about the flowering rate of righty!. Genetics could be the culprit or it could be one or more of many factors!. She seems stretched a lil more than lefty and if thats the case, she could be more sativa dominant and those take a little longer to flower .... i do know bubblicious has a few different phenos some of which take a little longer to flower.

As far as the "praying effect" and based on many readings and observing my own plants, im happy to say that its a GOOD sign proving the girl isnthriving and reaching out for the light. You dont have to raise the light if the girl is loving it .... do the (back of the hand test). Place your hand under the light by the top cola and see if the light stings the back of your hand. If you can tolerate the heat from the CFL, then so can she. Keep it where it is or even lower it. Always have a fan blowing mildly (without creating too much turbulence and moving the branches badly like its storming) on the girls. That little movement from the wind will help strengthen the stems as they grow and also helps with cooling them.

Heat stress signs would be drooping (which can also mean over watering or under watering) or "canoeing" of the leaves. And the little spots i see on the lower leaves look more like splash burns from water droplers acting as magnifying glass. The top growth is grean and luscious. If you truly have 2 different phenos and i really think ya do, I (and im sure the rest of the audience) would like to know the difference in smoke and effect
Happy growin Angie and keep up the good work

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Hey Doc! You're some legend for all the advice Very much appreciated as always, thank you!

Now I have to say, since I did the flip 2 nights ago, I'm already seeing more white hair production on Righty. Not a lot yet, but definitely more than I've seen in the last 2 weeks! Maybe it's coincidental timing, I dunno, but she's 8 weeks from seed today. You clearly know more about the strains, etc, and I bow to that knowledge, but as she's an auto with only 4-5 weeks left, at this stage I thought she'd be hairier (hoped no woman ever!) Lefty is lush with white hairs too, hard to tell with my wonky eyesight but I think on the verge of a hair explosion (definitely hoped no woman ever!! )

I'm honestly not overly concerned about the praying effect, same as yourself I've only read about it as being a positive thing, but it does make me think back to the start when they were both praying to protect themselves from the heat. I also find it funny that Lefty doesn't pray as much as Righty - maybe R is just praying for me to stop stressing her out

Re the hand test, I've been doing that periodically since they were sown, I've never gotten "stung" but my girls tell me they don't like it's heat. Their cotyledons and first true leaves got burned to a crisp, despite my hand being relatively comfortable even closer to the CFL than they were, and growth was stunted for almost 2 weeks. Anytime after that, if the bulb was too close, I saw growth slow down, though not so much for Lefty since I put her under the LED. There's a 6" fan in there, directed at the bulb to wick away the heat (quite effectively) and allows for a gentle breeze over their tops.

Pics attached were taken yesterday, sorry for the crap quality but can you see the mottling on the leaf? Both girls have this on lower and middle leaves. I'm not sure if it's def or a result of the heat wave, had great fun trying to keep temps down. Righty's upper leaves and flowers are a paler green compared to the rest of the plant too, possible zinc or iron def. Or else I'm just a fussing mama bear

Lmao amen to the no hairy women hahahah
Alright now to address your concerns one by one
As far as how many weekz left (remember the breeders time frame of flowering is a rough ballpark....dont take it as devine revelation ... barneys farms famous Liberty haze is supposed to flower in 8 to 9 and i never harvested before 10 (or maybe 11) weeks .... once we are closer to harvest time, ill let you know what yo look for to assess ripeness and readiness for harbest lefty may finish in time and rightly (if truly more sativa dom) may finish a week or 2 after
The oraying effect is NOT associayed with heat stress... if anything they indicate happy girls maybe (maaayyyybe) reaching out for lights! If your hand feels fine, the girls are also fine. Lower the lights to improve penetration to the lower bud sites. The crisping of the lower leaves is normal and happens because they dont get enough light. So the plant reuptakes the storned nutrients in them and redistributes it to where needed. Thats when they crisp n fall off. Allllll the plants i grew did that and when i scrog and less light penetrates below the canopy, more and more leaves (lower ones) will yellow and fall off!
As far as the lighter green tops and flower sites of right, good news this are active growth sites. New growth is always lighter. If righty is noticeably shooting more new growth, that also supports the argument that its lighter because its new and growing
Are those mottled spots showing more on the actively growing girl??? I see them better now and theyre very subtle and at this point I wouldnt worry too much ..... if you're still getting more new spots on leaves (and if you notice this plant is growing and stretching more) this fits more for cal deficiency..... i always and i mean aaaalllllways get those spots. I only worry and supplement with cal/mag when i notice the problem is getting worse (like a lot a lot a lot worse) .... so dont over stress about the spots now ... Keep in mind that although cal and mg are both abundant in our tap water, a lot of it may not be in the form thats easily absorbed by the roots and thus supplementing cal mag espepecially around the time girls stretch and flower may be necessary
Happy growin angie

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See! Legend

By time frame, I more so referring to the auto's life cycle, not breeders. From what I've read, the general rule is 12wks start to finish. Lefty will definitely finish on time, (wihoo!!) and I have no problem extending Righty's time under the lights as long as things are moving along. I just don't want her to start dying after wk 12! Told ya I was a fussing mama bear.

Re the praying/heat problems - if you take a look back at some of my earlier pics and posts, you'll see both seedlings had vertical true leaves and no growth for almost 2 weeks. It was at this stage that they were crisping up too. Not worried about it now, nothing else crispy yet.

The mottling appeared on Lefty (active grower) first, those leaves are/were limp. No real advancement through the leaves, apart from what you can see in the pic. Again, I'm not overly concerned, I've said all along that I'm being conservative with nutes so signs of def are to be expected, although funnily enough some tips have nute burn. I don't plan to feed again until Monday, unless the pots feel light. Will be upping the bloom and lowering the grow, if not foregoing altogether. Alg-a-mic for cal and mg.

Oh crap, my 2yr old just dumped her juice all over the floor. Cheers luv!