NHL Lockout

Amaximus

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NEW YORK (AP) -- The National Hockey League canceled two weeks of the regular season Thursday, the second time games have been lost because of a lockout in seven years.

The announcement was made in a two-paragraph statement from the NHL. It isn't clear if those games will be made up, allowing for a complete 82-game regular season, if a deal can be struck soon with the locked out players.

Unable to work out how to split up $3 billion in hockey-related revenues with the players' association, the NHL wiped out 82 games from Oct. 11 through Oct. 24 - beginning with four next Thursday, which would have been the league's opening night.

Neither side had an immediate reaction to the cancellations, but the NHL said it would issue a statement later Thursday.

Although there have been negotiations between the league and players in recent days - unlike the 2004-05 lockout that forced the cancellation of the entire season - the two sides haven't gotten any closer to a deal on core economic issues.

In the previous lockout, the NHL and the union didn't get together between early September and early December.

Back then, the key words in the negotiations were salary cap, linkage and cost certainty. Commissioner Gary Bettman and the owners were committed to getting a deal that linked team costs to revenues, so each club would know exactly how much it had to spend on payroll and what number it couldn't exceed.

Thus a salary cap was born for the first time in NHL history. The league produced record revenue during the seven years of that deal, which turned out much better for the players than expected.

There are no major philosophical issues this time as there were with the salary cap fight, but the sides are far apart in financial figures. Players received 57 percent of hockey-related revenue in the deal that expired Sept. 15, and the NHL wants to bring that number below 50 percent - perhaps as low as 47 percent.

The players' association, led by former baseball union chief Donald Fehr, has rejected that idea.

The NHL claims the union hasn't done near enough to try to get closer to the league's proposal and appears willing to wait for the NHLPA to come around.

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said the league had already lost $100 million in revenues from canceled preseason games. The players will begin feeling the real sting when they don't get their first paychecks of the season Oct. 15.

During the last lockout, Bettman followed through on his vow to cancel the season if a deal wasn't reached by a February deadline. A new collective bargaining agreement wasn't completed until July, long after major damage had been done. It marked the first time a North American professional sport lost an entire season to a labor dispute.

In 2004, Daly announced Sept. 29 that there wouldn't be any hockey in October. New proposals and negotiations in December and January did little to push the sides toward a settlement, and Bettman announced Feb. 16 that the season had been lost. It marked the first time since a flu epidemic in 1919 that the Stanley Cup wasn't awarded.



What a bunch of greedy fucking assholes.
 

Sunbiz1

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They may have cancelled the entire sport unwittingly, you don't cancel games when there is already limited fan interest in the NHL to begin with.
 

Amaximus

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They may have cancelled the entire sport unwittingly, you don't cancel games when there is already limited fan interest in the NHL to begin with.
While hockey is not even in the top 6 sports in America, the NHL still takes in over $3 billion a year so limited fan base or not there is money to be made... As these greedy bastards are making clear...
 

Sunbiz1

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While hockey is not even in the top 6 sports in America, the NHL still takes in over $3 billion a year so limited fan base or not there is money to be made... As these greedy bastards are making clear...
Unlike the NFL, the NHL is one of the few sports at a professional level that has remained largely unchanged over the years. That's why I keep watching, so yeah you have a solid point b/c I'm not going anywhere even if the entire season is cancelled.
 

Steve French

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NHL makes 50-50 revenue split offer

Tuesday, 10.16.2012 / 5:32 PM / News
By Dan Rosen - NHL.com Senior Writer

TORONTO -- The National Hockey League made a proposal Tuesday for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement that could allow an 82-game regular-season schedule to be played, beginning Nov. 2.

"We're focused on getting the puck dropped on Nov. 2 and playing a full 82-game regular-season and full [Stanley Cup] Playoffs," NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said. "That's what this offer is all about."
Bettman and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly made the offer during an hour-long meeting at the National Hockey League Players' Association's office.

Commissioner Bettman said the League's offer -- which he termed a "long-term" deal -- includes a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenue for the duration of the deal. NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr revealed the League's offer calls for "at least" a six-year CBA.

Commissioner Bettman also said the proposal addresses concerns the Union has expressed about how salaries will be affected with their share of hockey-related revenue being reduced from 57 percent in the final year of the previous CBA to a 50-percent share in the proposal made Tuesday. Commissioner Bettman also said the NHL's proposal does not include a rollback on current player contracts.

"We believe this was a fair offer for a long-term deal and it's one that we hope gets a positive reaction so that we can drop the puck on Nov. 2, which backing up entails at least a one-week training camp," Commissioner Bettman said. "So, we have about nine or 10 days to put this all to bed, signed, sealed and delivered in order for this offer to be effective and for us to move forward. We hope that this effort that we've undertaken today will be successful because we know how difficult this all has been for everybody associated with the game, particularly our fans."

Fehr said the Union needs time to digest the League's proposal and it would spend Tuesday afternoon doing so before the NHLPA's executive board and negotiating committee discusses the offer in a conference call, scheduled for 5 p.m. ET
"Our hope is that after we review this that there will be a feeling on the players' side that this is a proposal from which we can negotiate and try and reach a conclusion," Fehr said. "But, we are not in a position to make any comments about it beyond that at this point."

Commissioner Bettman said the League will wait to hear from the Players' Association.

"We're going to be on-call to them," he said. "They have some work to do internally. Obviously, we didn't put this proposal, this offer, together overnight and they're going to need a little time to review it. I'm hoping that review will get us to a positive and constructive place."

For an 82-game regular-season to begin Nov. 2, Commissioner Bettman said each team would have to play one additional game every five weeks. That would allow the completion of the Stanley Cup Final in late June.

"Beyond that, we don't think it would be good for the players or for the game," Commissioner Bettman said. "If you look at what our ability would be to schedule 82 games and you work back from Nov. 2, if we didn't do it now, if we didn't put an offer on the table that we thought was fair and could get us playing hockey, then it probably wasn't going to happen for a while because, again, it is done in the spirit of getting a full season in."

The NHL locked out the players on Sept. 16 due to the lack of a CBA. The regular-season schedule through Oct. 24 has been cancelled and Daly has estimated the shared revenue loss so far between the League and the NHLPA is in the neighborhood of $250 million.
 

Amaximus

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CANCEL THE ENTIRE SEASON ALREADY!



TORONTO (AP) -- "NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman received three counterproposals from the players' association on Thursday and left the negotiating table ''thoroughly disappointed.''

No new talks have been scheduled, and the possibility of a full hockey regular season is quickly shrinking.

''This is not a good day,'' union executive director Donald Fehr said. ''It should have been.''

The players' association offered multiple options in response to the NHL's offer on Tuesday that called for an 82-game season and a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues between owners and players.

Bettman said that proposal was the ''best that we could do'' and added that the two sides are still far apart.

''None of the three variations of player share that they gave us even began to approach 50-50, either at all or for some long period of time,'' Bettman said.

''It's clear we're not speaking the same language.''

Bettman said he was still hopeful the league can have a full season, but time is running out to make that happen.

''I am concerned based on the proposal that was made today that things are not progressing,'' he said. ''To the contrary, I view the proposal made by the players' association in many ways a step backward.''

Bettman said Tuesday that the sides would have to reach an agreement by Oct. 25 for a full season to be played.

''We came in here today with those proposals thinking that we could really make some progress,'' Pittsburgh Penguins star Sidney Crosby said. ''To hear those words (from Bettman) kind of shuts it down pretty quickly. In a nutshell it doesn't look good.''

Fehr said two of the union's proposals would have the players take a fixed amount of revenue, which would turn into an approximate 50-50 split over the term of the deal, provided league revenues continued to grow.

The third approach would be a 50-50 split, as long as the league honored all existing contracts at full value.

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly disputed the union's assessment of that offer.

''The so called 50-50 deal, plus honoring current contracts proposed by the NHL Players' Association is being misrepresented,'' Daly said. ''It is not a 50-50 deal. It is most likely a 56- to 57-percent deal in Year One and never gets to 50 percent during the proposed five-year term of the agreement.

''The proposal contemplates paying the players approximately $650 million outside of the players' share. In effect, the union is proposing to change the accounting rules to be able to say '50-50,' when in reality it is not. The union told us that they had not yet 'run the numbers.' We did.''

Fehr said the players would sacrifice nearly $1.8 billion in revenue under the league's proposal. He added that concessions made by the players in the last round of bargaining have cost them $3.3 billion over the term of the last agreement.

The players received 57 percent of revenues in the collective bargaining agreement that expired last month.

NHL players showed up in force Thursday as the union made its various offers.

Among the 18 players at the talks were Crosby, Jarome Iginla, Jonathan Toews and Eric Staal. The scene looked similar to one in August when the union made its first proposal.

The lockout - the third of the Bettman era - began Sept. 16, and the league canceled regular-season games through Oct. 24. Bettman, in announcing the new proposal, called it ''a fair offer for a long-term deal'' and ''one that we hope gets a positive reaction.''

It didn't, and now the clock is an even bigger factor.

There is only one week to strike a deal for the season to start by Nov. 2, three weeks behind schedule. If those deadlines are met, teams would be able to hold makeshift training camps for one week, and then play one extra game every five weeks to make up for the lost time and complete a full slate.

''I don't know what the next step is,'' Bettman said. ''I'm obviously very discouraged.''

In releasing the details, the NHL confirmed the offer was for six years with a mutual option for a seventh. The plan includes a 50-50 split in hockey-related revenue, which is a step forward. The NHL had proposed in July to cut the percentage of HRR from 57 percent to 43, then increased its offer in September to about 47.

Management included a provision to ensure players receive all money promised in existing contracts, but the union is concerned with what management termed the ''make-whole provision.'' If the players' share falls short of their $1.883 billion in 2011-12, the players would be paid up to $149 million of deferred compensation in the first year of a new deal and up to $62 million in the second.

However, the union believes that money would be counted against the players' share in later years."
 

Amaximus

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The NHL's deadline for playing a full, 82-game season arrived Thursday with no new discussions between the league and its locked-out players.

Without a new collective bargaining agreement that would end the league's lockout of players on its 40th day, the NHL vowed to cut the season short. An announcement officially taking a full schedule out of play wasn't immediately planned.

Major money-making events such as the upcoming outdoor Winter Classic and the All-Star game could soon be in peril, too.

''No contact, and I don't anticipate any announcements today,'' NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Associated Press in an email Thursday.

NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman already painted a pessimistic picture on Wednesday, saying at a news conference for the Islanders' move to Brooklyn that, ''Unfortunately, it looks like an 82-game season is not going to be a reality.''

The league has already canceled all 135 scheduled games through Nov. 1, but the thought was those could be rescheduled if a deal was reached by the end of Thursday and play started Nov. 2.

In making its most recent offer to the players, the NHL presented a proposal that included a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues. But that was contingent on the sides making the Thursday deadline and getting the season under way following a week of training camp.

The union responded with three counterproposals, all of which would get the sides to a 50-50 deal, but the league rejected them quickly because they didn't work off the NHL's offer. Talks then broke down, and the NHL turned down the union's offer to return to the table this week with no preconditions. The union wants anything and everything open to discussion.

The league's position is if the players' association isn't willing to negotiate off the NHL's offer - which Bettman has called the league's best - or make a counteroffer using that proposal as a framework, then there is no sense in meeting just to meet.

''The fact of the matter is there are just sometimes that you need to take time off because it's clear that you can't do anything to move the process forward,'' Bettman said. ''We're at one of those points right now because we gave our very best offer. That offer, for better or for worse, was contingent on playing an 82-game season. So I think things actually in some respects may get more difficult.''

NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr said Wednesday night that the league's deadline was bogus.

''We are and continue to be ready to meet to discuss how to resolve our remaining differences, with no preconditions. For whatever reason, the owners are not,'' he said. ''At the same time they are refusing to meet, they are winding the clock down to yet another artificial deadline they created.''

There is a major divide between the sides over how to deal with existing player contracts. The union wants to ensure that those are all paid in full without affecting future player contracts. Bettman expressed a willingness to discuss the ''make whole'' provisions on existing contracts, but only if the economic portions of the league's offer are accepted first by the union.

Bettman refused to say whether the 50-50 split in the proposal would come off the table if a full season isn't played.

''I'm not going to negotiate publicly,'' he said.

This lockout, the third of Bettman's tenure as commissioner, began Sept. 16. The 2004-05 season was lost in the last work stoppage.




Ya know.... This is only happening because the Rangers would've won the cup, again, this year. lol!

Anyway, Cancel the fucking season already.w e don't care anymore ya bunch of greedy... whatever...
 

VILEPLUME

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Read this from a friend commenting on Shane Doan's reply to the NHL. He doesn't include practice and working out, but damn, I have to workout for my job and I have to pay for it!

So the other day the NHL made the players a pretty reasonable offer, today on Sports Center I see Shane Doan whinning and I'll quote this as best as possible...SHANE DOAN "if someone is gonna rob you they say give me your money or I will hurt you, not give me your money and I'm gonna hurt you! th
ats how we feel."

Well Shane Doan let's do some math. You've been in the NHL for 16 years, you've made $41,294,000 in those 16 years. Which averages out to $2,580,875 per year and $31,474.09 per game. Last year you averaged 21:02 min of ice time per game so basically you get paid $31,474.09 for 21 minutes of hard work. Oh but on a plus side to play hockey, and not for long but from September until June if you make it that far and then you get the whole summer off to play golf and relax. WOW what a tough life! So really? Shane Doan, really?? are you gonna be that hurt if you lose $50,000, $500,000 or even a Million $ this year? or next year?? Give your head a shake and next time you wake up in the morning in your MANSION and look in the mirror I hope you realize how ridiculous you sounded when saying that to the Media.

Lastly I'll leave you with this since you are Canadian. The 3 jobs I'm about to list are technically all jobs that are considered on duty 24/7/365 but they all get some time off here and there so I broke their average salaries up based off working 200 days a year.

Avg pay per day of work - Canadian Cop - $412.27
Avg pay per day of work - Canadian Soldier - $343.25
Avg pay per day of work - Canadian Doctor - $1,216.67

Now that being said why should YOU get paid $31,474.09 to play 21:02 minutes of a hockey game? Shut-up and play already!


 
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