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NFTG. Nectar For The Gods

Discussion in 'Nutrients' started by ProPheT 216, Feb 21, 2014.

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    Craigson

    Craigson Well-Known Member

    I use photo plus microbes that came with the sample kit. Is mammoth P basically the same thing?

    Sorry ive tried researching but very confusing.

    I also see a lot of ppl using slf-100. What does slf-100 do exactly?

    Thx n i apologize if already discussed, i did browse through most of this thread
     
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    Craigson

    Craigson Well-Known Member

    Ok so i did some more reading and I understand what slf and mammoth do now.

    But im unclear, do i just add them with all the other nutes ?

    Thx again
     
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    kbtallday

    kbtallday Member

    Yeah add them after you ph your mix .
     
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    kbtallday

    kbtallday Member

    I wouldn't use bk unless I was using Herculean harvest (bonemeal)
     
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    Fritzyfruits

    Fritzyfruits Active Member

    Photo plus and mammoth P, although they posses some of the same microbial benefits , they without question, compliment each other very well. I wouldn't use one without the other (I would but rather not lol) filling in where the other is lacking. Also incorporating Ful Power and cytopolus, which (especially if growing in coco) fills out the necessary and extra beneficials you may be lacking in your medium) and makes nutrient uptake far more efficient and beneficial. Mix them in after your base nutrients are added to reservoir, use SLF 100 at full strength once a week and increase dosage and usage in the final weeks before harvest.
     
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    Fritzyfruits

    Fritzyfruits Active Member

    Are you saying this meaning it has no benefit? Or has no place? I respectfully disagree. If your medium is out of wack, nutrients are not being up taken nearly as efficiently or not at all, so adding more is inefficient and might be compounding the issue. A flush of medium can be very helpful and be needed as to not progress the problems any further. In coir especially, a large reason why people use coir, is if they see problems, they can flush it out very easily. After a flush you wouldn't wait till next feed, whenever that is, you hit them right away with your fresh batch of nutes. Flush out the old, in with he new.
     
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    Xcoregamerskillz

    Xcoregamerskillz Well-Known Member

    That's not the same thing as a pre-harvest flush and starve, which is exactly what I was saying, if you read the other posts.
     
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    Fritzyfruits

    Fritzyfruits Active Member

    Damn defensive huh brah... I did read your other posts, well the ones that I noticed. If you are actually saying pre harvest flushing has no benefit, I am not surprised by your statements, you are still learning right from wrong :mrgreen: I wont smoke unflushed weed, I don't actually know anyone who would purchase or otherwise enjoy smoking bud that hasn't had its buildup flushed out.

    You don't flush if you see problems in your medium
    You dont flush pre harvest to clear any buildup

    Just make sure to keep an eye on your ppm's

    Do yourself a favor for your future grows and flush a few tester plants and leave the rest to your own method.You might, just maybe will be surprised. Also, I noticed after a week you were sold on Nectar....Ok if you want to be happy after 10 weeks use everything in advanced, add the trawl in last 3 weeks of flower and give them as much herc as you can throw at them. PHOTO PLUS, SLF100 FULPOWER will be your friends, just like your store owner will be your new friend because with all the nectar you will need you will be paying his kids tuition. 8) But goodluck to you and your garden homie
     
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    Craigson

    Craigson Well-Known Member

    Day 22 flower. Lookin good so far. Full line and Adding grozyme n photo plus. IMG_1809.JPG IMG_1804.JPG
     
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    Xcoregamerskillz

    Xcoregamerskillz Well-Known Member

    Do yourself a favor, go to ANY garden center and ask if you should flush your berries, veggies, or flowers before harvesting them. They'll look at you like you have 5 heads. NO OTHER PLANT, and no other gardeners think that flushing is useful, because it isnt. YOU CANNOT FLUSH COMPOUNDS OUT OF BUDS. All flushing does is for the plant to draw the nutrients you aren't feeding it from the leaves into the buds, because the buds (fruit of any other plant) are what perpetuates the species. So for an annual, like cannabis, it is far more important to grow healthy buds than to survive winter.
     
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    Sir Napsalot

    Sir Napsalot Well-Known Member

    For my first grow I only used Gaia Mania, Medusa's Magic, Herculean Harvest, and the Olympus Up for Ph adjustment, grew 4 BCC clones outdoors in 10gal. pots with Down-to-Earth "Pro Organic" planting mix top-dressed with a little bokashi and got what I consider good results, harvesting 26 quarts of flowers from my 4 legal plants. I did not "flush" per se, and my buds taste great and burn down to nice light ash. The Herc Harvest is the most acidic product in the line and requires more Ph Up once you start using it.
     
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    Fritzyfruits

    Fritzyfruits Active Member

    To each is own. I'm saying try something for yourself before you bash it with tomato science. Maybe on your guys second grows try a sample flush is all I am saying. Not hard to do, learn something for yourself through trial and error. I've been doing this for 10 years. I've done big, small and very large grows. I don't have a botany degree, nor do I get my advice from garden centers, and I don't smoke my berries or carrots. I eat them. Maybe when something is burned it is effected differently then something that is eaten. Just my own experiences and the like 50 years of experience combined with my crew. You do flush to draw the nutrients out of the plant, that is the point.
     
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    Fritzyfruits

    Fritzyfruits Active Member

    and like I said, good luck to you and your grow. for real. Just rock out to whatever way works for you and your people. My opinion is my opinion and it is what it is. You can pick and choose what you want to use, just like your nutrients. :bigjoint:
     
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    greyduck

    greyduck Member

    Does this look like a nutrient issue? Not sure if it's related but this problem just popped up after I topped the plant.
     

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    Fritzyfruits

    Fritzyfruits Active Member

    looks to me that the soil prob is a little hot for them. check the PH of the runoff and see if it is between like 5.5 and 6.5. If it is not, flush accordingly to bring the soil back to its optimal ph range.
     
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    greyduck

    greyduck Member

    Slurry test had a ph of 6.7 with ppm of 509. Could it be a calcium deficiency?
     
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    greyduck

    greyduck Member

    Random question but I'll be out of town for about 10 days in a couple months and won't be able to feed/water so I was planning on using blumats with a 5 gallon reservoir to water. However, I can't feed Nectar through them and was thinking of amending the soil with some sort of top dressing instead. One Shot looks like it's for plants that are vegging so that won't work. Any recommendations or other ideas?
     
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    Cletus clem

    Cletus clem Well-Known Member

    Fox farm makes a few different formulas of dry fert that would make a good top dressing and its pretty cheap. Like 12$ 3lb bag, 1-2 tbsp per gal. I ammend pro mix hp with that and worm casting and im diggin it. Im using the jump start, but will try a different one next time. They make a fruit and flower and fruit and vegtable? Blend. They have bacterial innoculants in them as well.
     
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    Cletus clem

    Cletus clem Well-Known Member

    Im sure you figured this out by now but, 509 is pretty high for this line in general. Even more so for such a young plant. A ppm of around 200 would be a good target.
     
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    Cletus clem

    Cletus clem Well-Known Member

    This is not a salt based line at all and they dont even have a cal mag product. There is no magnesium in the line as far as im aware. They rely on the magnesium that is in coco and peat. This is imo the best you can get in a bottled grow vs. organic. Its essentially a series of highly pre digested amendments and compost teas, each one serving a particular purpose. All you need to do well is the base 4 bottles, you can build on that depending on what you like to use. Its a very unique and interesting line.
    Also, the chart is misleading. @Xcoregamerskillz was correct. In pre harvest flush you would use herc triton and aphrodite, but the when in doubt flush it out would be just herc. (Liquid bone meal. Neutralizes acids, keeps the microbes fed and happy) you would do this just as he said, when things get out of whack for whatever reason.
    The company does no advertising, relying on word of mouth. Distributers do their own for it, but nectar does not. They will send anybody a free sample kit of 6 full qts and 2 pints of their product so long as you pay freight. 20-30$. None of their bottles cost more than 20$ a qt. The labels were designed by a customer in a contest where they gave whoever could name and design labels for the products got 5 gallons of their entire line. All around, a very cool company that looks out for their customers, enviroment, employees and does alot to promote other companies with the same goals. When i got my kit, i got bottles from 2 other companies that they felt compliment and work well with their line. Slf-100 and microbe life root dip and foliar. Check out oregons constant gardener on youtube. Some excellent presentations even if you arnt going to use any of the products. Anyway, its late, im a little buzzed and felt it was worth putting the info out there. Too much bullshit out there, these guys are actually doing right. ✌️❤️☀️
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