Newby with molasses

derr

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I grabbed a cheap carton of mollases at the store with the thought of trying in my grow. Its a Presidents Choice Fancy Molasses and the ingrediants says only fancy molasses.
Will this work? Ive read that I dont want molasses with sulpher in it, does anyone know if this is good to use ?
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RetiredMatthebrute

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you dont need molasses anyways if your intentions are to disolve it in water and feed it to your plants. your just going to fuck up your PH and cause more harm than good.

Molasses is a food for micro organisms in organic mediums and mostly in AACT's used improperly will yeild a nutrient lockout and reduced yeild, i do not recomend.
 

mwooten102

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I've been using molasses for years. I'm currently putting a cup per 50g of water and have not had any ill effect. I'll only use it twice on an outdoor veg and every other watering during flower.

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greasemonkeymann

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you dont need molasses anyways if your intentions are to disolve it in water and feed it to your plants. your just going to fuck up your PH and cause more harm than good.

Molasses is a food for micro organisms in organic mediums and mostly in AACT's used improperly will yeild a nutrient lockout and reduced yeild, i do not recomend.
I agree, for the most part, you can use black strap un-sulphured molasses for a boost of micronutrients and potassium, but if you aren't familiar with it, I don't recommend it either, you can easily overdo it on the micros/potassium, and I think its magnesium? Anyways it causes a lock out of phosphorus uptake, If I remember it right... Anyways, used as a catalyst for teas is a damn great idea, plus in small amounts it does have a lot of good stuff in there, I LOVE molasses but you need to be careful with it, i'd say hot manures, blood meal, and molasses can be VERY harmful, if not used carefully
 

Mr.Head

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I grabbed a cheap carton of mollases at the store with the thought of trying in my grow. Its a Presidents Choice Fancy Molasses and the ingrediants says only fancy molasses.
Will this work? Ive read that I dont want molasses with sulpher in it, does anyone know if this is good to use ?
Thanks
By using sulphured molasses, which fancy molasses is, you are using something that is almost pure sugar. It's practically devoid of minerals, there is no reason to put that stuff in your soil as it has no benefit.

Read before you buy, you are only supposed to use BlackStrap Molasses because it is unsulphured and has a much higher mineral content then Fancy/Table/Grandma's. Which are all Sulphured molasses I believe.

Using Sulphured molasses will throw off your PH almost guarantee'd it did to me, I wasn't paying attention and bought the wrong bottle and my plants have suffered for it.

I've made the mistakes so you don't have to ;) Go to Zehrs, to the health food/organic stuff That is where you will find the blackstrap apparently tehy don't keep it in the baking section. It's with the health foods. Good luck.

Matthebrute is correct, it's mainly used for organic if you're feeding synthetics there is no reason for the molasses, you can get those minerals from your nute's and cal/mag.
 

derr

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Hey guys thanks alot, I dont think I'd even put this shit on my toast after smelling it. It smells like mol"ass"es. lol
 

Mr.Head

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Hey guys thanks alot, I dont think I'd even put this shit on my toast after smelling it. It smells like mol"ass"es. lol
Yeah, I got a bottle of that shit in my fridge with no use for it :)

I used to make BBQ sauces with it, but you can make 100gallons of BBQ sauces with one of those small cartons :) takes a while to use it up :)
 

greasemonkeymann

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I've been using molasses for years. I'm currently putting a cup per 50g of water and have not had any ill effect. I'll only use it twice on an outdoor veg and every other watering during flower.

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Yeah, but a cup of molasses in 50 gallons of water isn't a whole lot, most do a tablespoon per gallon, and at that rate you DO need to be careful with it. Just curious, do you put alfalfa or anything else in the water or just molasses? If not, ya may wanna think of a couple palmfuls of EWC, alfalfa, throw in a lil kelp meal, and BOOM, ya got microbes a plenty, well, brew those for 40 hrs or so first...
 

greasemonkeymann

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Yeah, I got a bottle of that shit in my fridge with no use for it :)

I used to make BBQ sauces with it, but you can make 100gallons of BBQ sauces with one of those small cartons :) takes a while to use it up :)
molasses is a GREAT additive for any spice cookies, oatmeal, gingersnap, etc. A speck in your oatmeal is good, also wheat bread comes out nicely with molasses. Like an 8-grain wheat bread
I used to be a baker...
Molasses used with whole wheat flour, dark brown sugar, and dark corn syrup, instead of mostly white sugar, will make the chewiest, most moist cookie ever, especially if you add like presoaked cranberries, or raisins. I got a recipe for a damn good cranberry/oatmeal/dark chocolate cookie....
damnit im not even high and now I want cookies
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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i love the taste of molasses, grandmas molasses is unsulfured and thats what i used to use with my tea's

also 1 cup of molasses per 50 gal of water IS alot, i would recomend about 3 tbls per 50gal for a 24 hour tea and maybe 5 tblspn for a 48 hour brew. you want most if not all of the molasses eaten before you water the plants with it.
 

greasemonkeymann

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i love the taste of molasses, grandmas molasses is unsulfured and thats what i used to use with my tea's

also 1 cup of molasses per 50 gal of water IS alot, i would recomend about 3 tbls per 50gal for a 24 hour tea and maybe 5 tblspn for a 48 hour brew. you want most if not all of the molasses eaten before you water the plants with it.
you think so? I think a cup in 50 gallons isn't much at all, lets see, I think it's 16 tbsp. to a cup, so that's less than a half tablespoon per gallon, that's not too much in my opinion. Ok, so my nerdery got the best of me, that's approx. a third of a tablespoon per gallon.
I think that's perfectly fine, as long as you aren't doing that every watering
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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you think so? I think a cup in 50 gallons isn't much at all, lets see, I think it's 16 tbsp. to a cup, so that's less than a half tablespoon per gallon, that's not too much in my opinion. Ok, so my nerdery got the best of me, that's approx. a third of a tablespoon per gallon.
I think that's perfectly fine, as long as you aren't doing that every watering
it dosent sound like alot but I personally think it is..and you shouldnt be feeding straigt molasses anyways, it goes into organic tea and then fed that way.

also there is really no reason to feed a tea more than 2x per grow imho, all tea is is a bio boost for your soil, once that biology is in there you dont need to continue adding it. If you ammended the soil properly in the first place there should be plenty of organic material for bio's to break down and shouldnt have any problems establishing a proper colony in the medium.

i used to use molasses and now i will never touch it again. i destroyed an entire grow by feeding tea's every other week using only 1 tsp per gal
 

greasemonkeymann

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it dosent sound like alot but I personally think it is..and you shouldnt be feeding straigt molasses anyways, it goes into organic tea and then fed that way.

also there is really no reason to feed a tea more than 2x per grow imho, all tea is is a bio boost for your soil, once that biology is in there you dont need to continue adding it. If you ammended the soil properly in the first place there should be plenty of organic material for bio's to break down and shouldnt have any problems establishing a proper colony in the medium.

i used to use molasses and now i will never touch it again. i destroyed an entire grow by feeding tea's every other week using only 1 tsp per gal
Hmm, I gotcha my friend, but i'd say maybe something else went wrong, I've been using molasses for over ten years, both as a nute supplement (used for the micros and potassium) and also as a AACT catalyst and I've only had problems when using weekly with a tbsp. per gallon, and even then it didn't ruin the plants just made the smoke burn black and taste a lil off.
Course depends on the strain, growing media, lighting, ph, so on and so on.
But I can pretty confidently say that using only a TSP per gallon, every other week, like you said, probably wasn't what caused an issue, that's not much molasses at all, man. Something else went wrong I think. What else did you have in the teas?
I do agree with you 100% on how often to feed, now that I've dialed in my soil mix, I don't feed more than four times, and usually only three times. But that's not a microbe tea, I have light amendments in mine.
However if you mean that you only need two AACT feedings, I don't know... I like to give them more microbes than that. I have a good amount of food in the soils I use, and I like to think it keeps it available to the plant that way. Course who's to say it NEEDS it... They seem to like it.
----edit--- I did forget to mention I always dilute my tea to either a 2/1 or 1/1 ratio with water, so maybe that's the difference, I NEVER feed teas at full strength, its always harder to subtract than add...
 

greasemonkeymann

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just a basic AACT with EWC tea bag and some garden tone from epsoma mixed in with the EWC..
that's weird, I don't see anything wrong with using that every two weeks with a lil molasses.... Only thing i'd do is add a speck of alfalfa and kelp meal. Can't see what would cause problems with that recipe..
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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that's weird, I don't see anything wrong with using that every two weeks with a lil molasses.... Only thing i'd do is add a speck of alfalfa and kelp meal. Can't see what would cause problems with that recipe..
no clue man, i chalked it up to molasses causing a PH imbalance. i could be wrong i guess but never really had any issues till i started with tea's then all of a sudden 2 weeks from flip i started seeing some deficiency issues..a week after that the entire crop was just fucked. started reading up and found molasses being a cause of PH to change so i rripped em all up carefully and repotted in fresh FFOF amended with lime and epsoma garden tone and left the tea out of it, they came back a little bit by my yeild on that crop suffered quite a bit.

again i may be wrong, i may be right. this is just my conclusion of the entire situation so when i see people wanting to use molasses especially using it as just a additive to the soil i try and voice my opinion/experience with it. to be honest though if your not using it in a tea it does not do anything for your plants except risk potential problems. my 2¢
 

greasemonkeymann

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no clue man, i chalked it up to molasses causing a PH imbalance. i could be wrong i guess but never really had any issues till i started with tea's then all of a sudden 2 weeks from flip i started seeing some deficiency issues..a week after that the entire crop was just fucked. started reading up and found molasses being a cause of PH to change so i rripped em all up carefully and repotted in fresh FFOF amended with lime and epsoma garden tone and left the tea out of it, they came back a little bit by my yeild on that crop suffered quite a bit.

again i may be wrong, i may be right. this is just my conclusion of the entire situation so when i see people wanting to use molasses especially using it as just a additive to the soil i try and voice my opinion/experience with it. to be honest though if your not using it in a tea it does not do anything for your plants except risk potential problems. my 2¢
that IS weird... I honestly don't think that that small amount would alter your PH, but I don't know that for a fact... I think it's kinda cool that there are literally a million different ways to grow pot, and we all think our own method is the best. I do love molasses though, I use it for every grow. Ya gotta respect it though, just because its natural and organic doesn't mean it won't bite you if you don't use it right. Like I said before, blood meal, manures, and molasses can screw your plants up big-time, if you don't know exactly how to use them, even though they are organic. Many growers assume organic= easier/safer. And that's not the case.
 

greasemonkeymann

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no clue man, i chalked it up to molasses causing a PH imbalance. i could be wrong i guess but never really had any issues till i started with tea's then all of a sudden 2 weeks from flip i started seeing some deficiency issues..a week after that the entire crop was just fucked. started reading up and found molasses being a cause of PH to change so i rripped em all up carefully and repotted in fresh FFOF amended with lime and epsoma garden tone and left the tea out of it, they came back a little bit by my yeild on that crop suffered quite a bit.

again i may be wrong, i may be right. this is just my conclusion of the entire situation so when i see people wanting to use molasses especially using it as just a additive to the soil i try and voice my opinion/experience with it. to be honest though if your not using it in a tea it does not do anything for your plants except risk potential problems. my 2¢
also in NO way was I criticizing your opinion, that's not what i'm about, I welcome all peoples information/opinions/techniques, hell i'm open to superstitions...
I greatly value your input on this, I just haven't had that experience my self, so naturally i'm curious. It's an "eye-brow raiser"...
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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didnt think you were man, thats what forums are for anyways.. friendly debate/discussion on differnent methods and styles of doing things.

i welcome all discussion as long as its not name calling/flamming though i do get kinda hot sometimes when i see people giving totally terrible advice.

i realize alot of people do like using molasses and have had good results with it, i dont fell the risk outweighs the consequences due to my experience.
 
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