New vert grow, could use some input please

gr865

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Well BC1 does not look any better today. Below is the spreed sheet I keep with every new mix I make. As you can see I check the rez prior to making any mix, then I adjusted the new mix to get the desired Rez after readings.

Today's numbers
Mix
630 ppm, 5.79 pH
Rez Prior
515 ppm, 5.91 pH
Rez After
536 ppm, 5.88 pH

Using GH Micro, GH Bloom, Epsom, Cannazym, SM 90 and Drip Clean.

I am very stumped over this and can think of no action to take. Can I flush with very low nutes/gal and pH'ed to 5.8, then get back to the rez after numbers. Someone said I needed to increase my ppm's that my numbers are really low. Well, all I can do is watch and pay close attention to see if there is any change in growth. What a fucking time for this shit to come about.

GR
 
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gr865

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Just don't get it I guess, the plants just don't look happy, or maybe seeing them wrong. They will be 3 weeks into flower on Tuesday, planned on doing some minor defo tomorrow as that is what I have read that needs to be done to vertical grows. It is recommended that you remove larf and large fans that are blocking bud sites. I have been tucking leaves behind the screen and only removing them when the bud site has leaves large enough to support the site.

The BC1 still looks like shit, and it just looks to me as if the other two BC's are looking like they are getting thin leaves, all three it is occurring at the upper 8" or so.

Am going to pull the out of the tent tomorrow and check them out good. Have found no pest on the plant, I did find a centipede on the floor of the tent yesterday, but they do not damage or feed on plant material, figure he just squeezed thru one of the tied ports in the tent. So I am at a loss, or guess I am just stumped.

Maybe try switching nutes, I do have a couple of sample bottles of GH cocotek or maybe get some Canna nutes.
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Well I will get some pics to post before I make any moves.

GR
 

verticalgrow

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Just don't get it I guess, the plants just don't look happy, or maybe seeing them wrong. They will be 3 weeks into flower on Tuesday, planned on doing some minor defo tomorrow as that is what I have read that needs to be done to vertical grows. It is recommended that you remove larf and large fans that are blocking bud sites. I have been tucking leaves behind the screen and only removing them when the bud site has leaves large enough to support the site.

The BC1 still looks like shit, and it just looks to me as if the other two BC's are looking like they are getting thin leaves, all three it is occurring at the upper 8" or so.

Am going to pull the out of the tent tomorrow and check them out good. Have found no pest on the plant, I did find a centipede on the floor of the tent yesterday, but they do not damage or feed on plant material, figure he just squeezed thru one of the tied ports in the tent. So I am at a loss, or guess I am just stumped.

Maybe try switching nutes, I do have a couple of sample bottles of GH cocotek or maybe get some Canna nutes.
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Well I will get some pics to post before I make any moves.

GR
g'day GR,
are u using calmag?
 

PKHydro

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I'd get rid of the additives for now. Keep rocking the Epsom for your Cal/mag but ditch the rest. If I ever start to see issues I always just revert back to the basics untill shit clears up, KISS.

Your numbers are pretty low. My clones on day 1 in my system are getting 550ppm, by week 5 when I flip to flower they are at 1100ppm.
 

gr865

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I'd get rid of the additives for now. Keep rocking the Epsom for your Cal/mag but ditch the rest. If I ever start to see issues I always just revert back to the basics untill shit clears up, KISS.

Your numbers are pretty low. My clones on day 1 in my system are getting 550ppm, by week 5 when I flip to flower they are at 1100ppm.
The addiitives are safety related, cannazm, SM90 and drip clean, I do not add and other shit to my mix.

Switching to coco specific may not be a bad idea. Thanks

GR
 

TigerSquad

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Am wondering about this my cabinet is only 30" deep, so effectively I only have 24 inchs between the screens, So that would put my lamp at only 12" from each screen, is that enough room, I would really have to tie them bitches back. Any ideas?


gr
Wouldn't scrog be better with only 30" of vertical space and an led. Im very new to this very grow. I'm imagining something to the effect of a tomato vine growing up a lattice fence?
 

TigerSquad

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Ok, seeds ordered, Big Buddha Blue Cheese and Barneys Farm Critical Kusk, so now I am preparing the cabinet and getting ready for my first vertical grow.
Have changed the trellis design due to a conflict of space,

and am in the process of cleaning the cabinet, getting it ready for accept the plants. Cleaning the Mylar sides, washing and repainting the bottom, thinking going with white rubberized paint.
Am thinking of going back to a 4" fan and filter, would like to mount the filter on the outside of the cabinet, just not sure how to do it yet.
Canna Coco and CC nutes
Not sure of size of container, maybe some thoughts from you guys/girls, think two or three gallon smart pots.
Still am not sure if I will go drop or Blumats.
Ordered a new high end 400W HPS lamp.
Three plants in a triangle around the lamp.

I would like some input from you smart folks who have run this method and can provide some input.
Thanks and wish me luck on the epic journey!
GR


I fell like space maybe bigger than 30". That picture is a weird perspective. Is that the 4 inch fan. I'm having trouble gauging how big those screen stands are.
 

TigerSquad

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i made a 3.5ft lazy susan for my grow tent. cant imagine getting to everything without it.
I have a grow box I built and originally I only wanted to do 1 plant and allow it to really grow (24×33×47) so I planned to stand it up on end and I ended up with 6 plants and a cfl board ($$ issues) so I la yes it down horizontally but I'm having issues with cracking the foam board. I frammed thexbith a lay-out of 10" on center ( I figured this would it strengthen and keep it from folding and shifting and to keep it square. But the pots and buckets are getting heavy and moving them is really messing stuff up.
Luckily I have a spare swivel base from a computer stand. It has a sealed bearing in it. Its baisicly two 8" square metal plates pressed together over a deals bearing system (6") that's the inside diameter of the nearrimg race.
I was actually going to use it to build a turntable to mount my tv on the accordion style tv mount I built. Soni could spin it veritically so I could store it in my closet it when not in use but still keep it mounted to the wall. But I think I'll use to for my plants, so I stop teating the floor golf my grow space to pices .
 

TigerSquad

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i made a 3.5ft lazy susan for my grow tent. cant imagine getting to everything without it.
Also try using a microwave and rare the bottom out and add a plug to the existing wires you will have had to cut to remove the turn tabe. Also add an inline off/on switch so you can stor and go went you want or need or just leave it running for even lighting over the plants
 

gr865

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Hey TTR,
Read further in my thread, I have dumped the cabinet and move into a 4x4' tent.
That's a lot of good info you have there.
Thanks,
GR
 

cindysid

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Also try using a microwave and rare the bottom out and add a plug to the existing wires you will have had to cut to remove the turn tabe. Also add an inline off/on switch so you can stor and go went you want or need or just leave it running for even lighting over the plants
Wow! Sounds like a great idea and my microwave is looking ratty anyway. I may repurpose the turntable for my 4 x 4 tent. I like the idea of leaving it on. Seems like it would be better than a light mover!
 

gr865

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So, I am going with N toxicity, removed 8 gallons from the 11 +/- gallons in the rez. Did remix and now we have 322 ppm and 5.82 pH. Going to run with this for a bit and see what we get. Can't keep doing the same ol' shit and expect it to get any better.

Thanks to all for their help and suggestions.
GR
 

gr865

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So today, three weeks into 12/12, I flushed with a 310 ppm and 5.85 pH solution at 2 gallons per pot. Let it drain, did check one pot for ppm and pH, got 1100 ppm and a 4.85 ph. I then place the plants back into the tent, filled the rez's with 310 ppm and 5.88 pH, flushed out the 8mm line and rehooked the Blumats to the rez.

I am just not sure what else to do, I plan on a weekly flush and keep my rez numbers in the 300 range and 5.8 to 6.0 pH.
 

rkymtnman

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I am just not sure what else to do,

that was me a few years ago when i tried coco. :wall:

i had this saved in my archives. maybe it will help?

Here's a good old post from this forum:

Coco colloids may store huge amount of cations, but the main thing to understand when managing feeding/ph management is that they are uptaked at very different speeds, and uptake speed determined the best balance between how much cations of each element are stored.

B and Ca cations are uptaked very slow, while Mg and most micros are uptaked at medium speed and K are absorbed very fast. Couple that with the requeriments of each element and you get the best balance of cations stored in the coco, wich is aprox 60-65% Ca, 25-30% Mg, 5% K and about 1% of micros.

Ph affect the speed of uptake of the different elements. Still being more than required of some element stored in the coco, an inadecuate ph may lead to a deff of that element because at the uptake speed at a given ph, it may be too little coco colloids occupied by that element cations to provide enough uptake.

So feeding profile must be well matched with ph used. There are many possible ways of achieving sucessfully grows in coco by varying nute profile and ph used.

On the ph most used when growing in coco, 5.3-6.3 (adviced by most coco nutes manufacturers) hydroponically (thats very different with organic nutes, as then more than ph what affect nutes avalaibility is the descomposition rate of them by benefical microorganisms), aprox over 5.8 there is faster uptake of Mg than of Ca, leading to a Ca accumulating in the media, and below 5.8, more Ca uptake than of Mg. If the feeding profile dont compensate this, finally the cations balance in the coco is compromised and there is a lock out. Its commonly called "excess salt in the medium" or "salts build up", but is more correct calling it an unbalancing, because is one element wich accumulates for other element wich become not enough present.

K uptake is rarely affected due is very fast absortion, and often K deff only shows when there had been a previous deff solved by adding salts to fix it, resulting in almost no free coco colloids avalaible to K cations being bonded. Typical of having a Mg deff because thare has been an accumulation of Ca for a disminution of Mg and instead of treating it lowering ph to increase uptake of Ca and restore the cations balance, its fixed by adding Epsom salts, wich increase Mg avalaible at the cost of reducing K avalaibility. Finally both are reduced if ph continues high and the nute profile (Ca/Mg/K percentage ratio) remains unchanged.

This is due Ca is a very strong bivalent cation, while Mg is bivalent too but with weaker electric charge (affinity for negativelly charged coco colloids) and K and Na are one valent cations wich are easily displaced by the two previous.

Resuming: keeping Mg and Ca balanced in the coco, both by nute profile and ph management is the key to grow in coco with the best results.

Peace,
knna
 

gr865

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Have unlimited, well I have 10 - 23 gallon black molasses tubs that holds rain water. Put 17 + gallons in a 20 gallon tank, added 0.4 ml Drip Clean/gal and pH'ed to 5.85, starting first flush.
1 gallon per plant, let sit for a bit, then another gallon, let sit, then another gallon, then just divide the remaining liquid between the 5 plants. Will collect runoff after each gallon and do measurements.

Have 15 gallons of RO water, add 0.4 ml Drip Clean/gal and pH'ed to 5.8. Then follow the same routine for flush.

At that point I would hope to be rid of any bad shit causing my problem. I will move them into the tent but not hook up to the rez.
I plan on going into the city tomorrow and go by my Hydro shop and pick up some Canna nutes. Upon returning I will mix up a batch of Canna nutes do a two gallon per plant flush and start using the rez with the new nutes. Thinking since their not growth much they should be ok for a day till I can get the new rez ready.

I will look up the best rates to use on the forum or should I just go with the recommended rates?

I know I will be blessed with a wonderful crop at some point.

GR
 
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