New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis

TakeTheTicket

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Not sure i'd say that's "what i mean," but i do agree with your statement here, about how "regular people" typically don't really understand the "science" that is disseminated to them under that label. But some laymen understand better than others.
Don't let Doer's stupidity get to you. I don't know why he would get upset about you having a strong interest in science. I think it's great that you like to ponder the applications and implications of scientific discoveries. That is respectable. Not every major invention, advancement, or achievement was made by a PhD. Enjoy life and ponder the universe as you please.
 

Doer

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Though galaxies look larger than atoms and elephants appear to outweigh ants, some physicists have begun to suspect that size differences are illusory. Perhaps the fundamental description of the universe does not include the concepts of “mass” and “length,” implying that at its core, nature lacks a sense of scale. This little-explored idea, known as scale symmetry

The concept seems far-fetched, but it is garnering interest at a time of widespread soul-searching in the field. When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years. The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.

the Higgs boson’s interactions with other particles tend to elevate its mass toward the highest scales present in the equations, dragging the other particle masses up with it.

at a scale about a billion billion times heavier known as the “Planck mass,” there exist unknown giants associated with gravity. These heavyweights would be expected to fatten up the Higgs boson — a process that would pull the mass of every other elementary particle up to the Planck scale. This hasn’t happened; instead, an unnatural hierarchy seems to separate the lightweight Standard Model particles and the Planck mass.

supersymmetry used standard mathematical techniques, and dealt with the hierarchy between the Standard Model and the Planck scale directly. Supersymmetry posits the existence of a missing twin particle for every particle found in nature. If for each particle the Higgs boson encounters (such as an electron) it also meets that particle’s slightly heavier twin (the hypothetical “selectron”), the combined effects would nearly cancel out, preventing the Higgs mass from ballooning toward the highest scales. Like the physical equivalent of x + (–x) ≈ 0, supersymmetry would protect the small but non-zero mass of the Higgs boson. The theory seemed like the perfect missing ingredient to explain the masses of the Standard Model — so perfect that without it, some theorists say the universe simply doesn’t make sense.
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All this article is saying is the way science always works. You have math and you have experiments to rule things out that don't fit the math. And second, you have results of those experiments.

That "sense of scale" comment is just popular science jingoism. The guy has to have a job. His job is to make it interesting.

Notice the word multiverse is not even mentioned nor is there an explanation of why you lead, even science headlines, with bullshit.

What it says is that the LHC has not uncovered the many particles that were predicted because they are looking for a set of particle the old particle math predicts. They looked in the wrong energy scale.

Those particles were not there, where predicted, and they only saved themselves and this Big-Billions LHC project by having ONE WIN.

They found the Higgs where predicted.

Now the problem is more simple. All those particles NOT Present, but the Higgs is found, means the math of those other particles is WRONG and that is why they are not found.

However the new Quantum Math of Supersymmetry is well severed by the Higss mass and therefore promotes Quantum math and demotes the Particle math.

Scale symmetry means that there should not be gaps in the scale of sizes of particles.

So, this proposes the CERN guys take a new look at the range for the missing particles and scale their collision energies to Quantum Math indications instead of the old, increasingly bogus, Particle Math calculated energies.

Questions? :) It really mean as many of us have thought, the concept of "mass" we have is not correct, and the HIggs Bosun discovery leads to new concepts as it should.
 

Doer

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Don't let Doer's stupidity get to you. I don't know why he would get upset about you having a strong interest in science. I think it's great that you like to ponder the applications and implications of scientific discoveries. That is respectable. Not every major invention, advancement, or achievement was made by a PhD. Enjoy life and ponder the universe as you please.
Easy for you to say being, not in swatting range. You have never seen me upset nor will anyone of any right mind think I am being stupid.

But, you however are most certainly acting that way.
 
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