Need to cool my grow room down!

Discussion in 'Grow Room Design & Setup' started by Twisted Nibbz, Sep 25, 2008.

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    Twisted Nibbz

    Twisted Nibbz Well-Known Member

    Right then guys bit of dilema for ya!

    Ive been growing on my window cill for a while got a plant to a really nice size and then my brother decided to give me his 600watt HPS grow light. Ive downsized the bulb for a 400 watt son-t bulb due to room size and added a fan for circulation, however... After leaving for work for the day i returned to a 8 inch melted mess! It was completely (excuse my language) FU*KED.

    Now i live in rented accom so i cant really go on and drill holes everywhere... The closet its in is the perfect size if i can get it cool enough, its an airin cupboard approx 2.5 ft x 3 ft x 6 ft tall, it is fairly warm anyway and its on the top floor, in my bedroom, so i cant just leave the door open in the day cuz ppl will see it from outside and i cant leave it open at night for the same reason it will keep me awake. I cant run pipes to the windows or doors because if the landlord comes in he will see em and also my girlfriend will throw her toys out the pram cuz of the mess lol.

    Now my problem is how do i get the temp down and keep it down? without shelling out too much money str8 up.

    I bought a digital thermometer and its pushin well past 120 f, now any thick fool would realise thats ten times too much i just cant figure out a way to cool it down enough to keep it reasonable to grow a plant. If i cant suss it out ill have to revert to window growing but as you will know its startin to get cold out, and so not a lot of sunshine comes in my room (wrong side of the building) so is there anything i can do?

    any help will be used wisely thanks guys and i look forward to your replies.
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    desertrat

    desertrat Well-Known Member

    i know its not going to be what you want to hear but you are not going to be able to cool that light in that space without cutting a couple of holes for ventilation with big fans and/or adding a portable ac. no other way with that much light
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    nitrobud

    nitrobud Active Member

    Um, from what I understood, you should NOT be sticking a 400w bulb in a 600w balast... You are asking for a fire.

    Go buy a fan. Keep the door closed. Then cry you are unable to make any holes. Unless you can mount your exhaust to a window or into the attic, you will be screwed. You have to have at least one way OUT for the air. Imagine a measuring cup of water. Unless you somehow get that water out of the cup, it will overflow (Overheat in your situation).

    No ways around it. But patching a hole is a quick easy job. Say you were moving something in the room and it punched a hole in the wall if anything... From the sounds of your closet, you might get away with only an exhaust in your ceiling drawing air in from around the door. But that could have light issues unless you added pieces to the wall to block the light passing through.
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    Twisted Nibbz

    Twisted Nibbz Well-Known Member

    I believe the lamp fitting is designed for 125, 250, 400 n 600 so shudnt be a prob...

    If i buy a portable AC unit (£30 on ebay) will that solve my prob or is it a waste of money?

    light isnt an issue as ive a curtain over the door and i vent it about every 4.5hrs by oppenin door for fresh air.

    how big an exhaust do i really need? the boiler has a 4" outlet through the ceilin direct to the loft maybe i could tap into that? or is it not big enough?

    would downsizing bulb solve the prob or again is it pointless? thanks for ya help guys catch ya in mornin...
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    desertrat

    desertrat Well-Known Member

    g morning, an ac will work but you still need to vent the ac exhaust

    and yes, your four inch outlet is perfect
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    Twisted Nibbz

    Twisted Nibbz Well-Known Member

    good morning matey...

    Ok so AC next payday it is... For now then if i get a 45 degree t piece cut the 4" exhaust pipe and put the t piece in it with the angle pointin towards the roof then, what fan would you suggest to put on the end of that that will shift enought air to get rid of my waste in my situation?

    Thanks for ya help by the way, ill try get some pics of the plant i melted up later on.
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    DR. VonDankenstine

    DR. VonDankenstine Well-Known Member

    Put an ice chest in there---freeze some gallon milk jugs full of water---cut a hole at each end of the chest---attach a small fan to pull the air through the cooler---change the jugs often---no need for holes in the rental--easy and cheap.
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    Twisted Nibbz

    Twisted Nibbz Well-Known Member

    will it not cost a lot of money in cooling the ice though? see i work ten hours a day so i would have to put enough in there to cool it for 5 or so hours till i get on my dinner...

    only reason im home now is cuz ive just had my baby gurl and im on paternity leave!
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    Twisted Nibbz

    Twisted Nibbz Well-Known Member

    Ive just looked and the exhaust from the boiler actually goes all the way out the top of the building so i think all i have to do is cut into that then add a t piece to connect a fan too the only thing i need to know is...

    If i do this and put a fan on it its not going to blow back down the boiler exhaust and blow out the flame is it?
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    Twisted Nibbz

    Twisted Nibbz Well-Known Member

    or even how about a ~MH~ bulb? they run cooler dont they?
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    desertrat

    desertrat Well-Known Member

    hey mate, this is nothing to be fooling around with yourself. its not blowing the flame out that you have to worry about. its getting carbon monoxide from your boiler sucked into your room and killing you. happens all the time with leaks from heating systems.
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    Twisted Nibbz

    Twisted Nibbz Well-Known Member

    I would of thought thats easily done with a one way valve though... ?

    See if i drill a hole the gas man will see it str8 away. however if i use the same exhaust pipe as the boiler theni can just remove the pice with the fan on when he comes and he will never notice its there... might just try and get an electric feed to the loft and do it up there...

    im gonna need to make a white space to put it in though if i do that arent i?
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    Twisted Nibbz

    Twisted Nibbz Well-Known Member

    I do see ya point mind... might get my mate to come up hes a plumber he should be able sort something out. still considering moving into the loft tho... does it ever attract much attention?
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    desertrat

    desertrat Well-Known Member

    your plumber buddy should be able to help. and yes, if you have him install a one way damper you will be ok, just remember that the damper is probably keeping you alive and don't take the system for granted.
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    Dugout

    Dugout Active Member

    High twisted Nibbz, Dugout here. My first question is do you have your ballast in your grow room? If you do this will also raise the temp in your grow room so if you do put it out of the grow room. I have been having the same trouble but not to the extent probably about 90 degrees. (they need to put a degree sign on the computer pad). I really like the idea Dr. Vandankenstine had I think that will solve my problem but with the heat you are talking about I don't know wether that would be enough for you. Thanks Dr. V I have been looking for a solution to this problem and I to cannot cut a hole anywhere do to landlord. Well Peace my brothers and burn one form me the Ole Hippy DUGOUT. PS there is a guy on indoor planting named Al B. Fucht that is very knowledgable about indoor growing so I take my questions to him. Had a problem with getting to many different ideas from other that it got really confusing so I just listen to one know don't get me wrong if I hear something that sounds like a good idea I run it passed him and he has never let me down. You might get a hold of him on here. Don't listen to everyone on here not all know what they are talking about but like to act like they do. Best to find one person you trust Peace and out
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    speedhabit

    speedhabit Well-Known Member

    Forget it. This is what you NEED to do.

    Go to B lights .com

    Those are the cheapest "blowers" on the market. Fans will not work for ventilation you need a blower that will move air through tubes. They arent loud if you suspend them with rubber.

    Listen, you have a great light, the biggest thing for growing weed, but you need to step it up in order to grow good pot. Now Im a 6" tube venting guy but if you used 4" tube and that 4" blower for 69$ you will cool the light and exhaust the air THROUGH a carbon filter and keep everything cool.

    You say you cant make holes in the wall, you really should consider it. Its not that hard to repair the damage when you move, and im assuming that if your landlord is in and out growing stealth is nearly impossible.

    If you invest some thought, a little money, and some time into a good venting solution youll be pissing fat buds in no time and can step back up to a 600w.
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    hpv311

    hpv311 Active Member

    I hear you. I recently started in a grow tent in My garage. The heat from the lamp is unreal. i had to run a window ac unit in a window. get an inline cooled reflector. and have strong intake and outake fans. and im still gonna be pushin 95 on hot summer days. So i feel you.

    My advice. go to home depot and look at florecent fixtures.
    fit as many as you can in there and try to make it so you can adjust the height of either the plants or the lights.

    Then it still might be to warm. shoot for 80 at the most. But i think teyll be ok. up to 90 just not all the time. Use a timer and try 18/6 instead of 24/0.
    and crack that door alittle when the lights are of.

    Keep a small fan in the box or room to keep the air stirred.
    If you can figure out some way to make a small air exit hole and hook up and inexpensive fan pushing air out .

    They have all kind of good stuff at home depot.
    look online too for small duckt style fans like computer/squirrel cager and canfans.

    with florecent you wont need much ventilation.

    then you can put a window ac in a near by window and that will help too.

    if the shit was legal we wouldnt even need to worry about this stupid shit.

    i hate paying to much for shiityy asss weed and i need to smoke so i need to grow .

    Outdoor is the way to go if possible.
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    BCtrippin

    BCtrippin Well-Known Member

    Get a portable AC, it will save you a lot of hassle and come summer time next year you will be happy you have it. If you invest in a portable ac/dehumidifier you will be that much happier.

    My only problem with the cooler and blocks of ice is that it will increase humidity big time.

    The nice thing about portable AC, you can exhaust it out a window, so its dumping a Lot of hot air outside.
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    Dugout

    Dugout Active Member

    High all, DUGOUT here, Thanks for the info on the blowers I will be going to b light today and checking it out. I really appreciate the tip because the sites I went to was around $90 up to $500. I have found out that the ballast would add a lot of heat in the room once I took it out the heat went down quite a bit. I am very fortunate my landlord very seldom comes over and I have the perfect closet for growing it is 2'X7'X8'. I am only growing 2 or 3 plants at a time depending on how many seeds start growing. I had a guy in Australia give me a very cheap solution to my problem it was build a light box to put over vent blower. I am glad you told me about the ice chest I never considered the humidity boy am I glad you brought that out I sure don't want to screw up anymore. As far as the heat goes I think I will be ok fall is coming and the weather is cooling off pretty good. Next Spring I will get the small AC unit with dehumidifier. I think all I really need to do is get the blower in, an electronic PH tester. I have a great strain of seeds from Canada and I have one that has sprouted but the other came up and it still hasn't shed its shell so I am not sure wether it will make it or not going to give it a couple of days. I think I shocked the plants and it took a little bit for them to start. I have one plant that will be harvested next Friday I think. It gives you a nice mellow buzz quick dried one bud just to try curiousity got the best of me. I am sure once it has finished developing the buzz will be much better. Well sorry so long. have a great weekend Peace and out. The Ole Hippy DUGOUT and burn one for me
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    kaos.underwave

    kaos.underwave Active Member

    "I believe the lamp fitting is designed for 125, 250, 400 n 600 so shudnt be a prob..."

    wait man, the fitting or the ballast? Most grow bulbs fit into the same fitting, the ballast is the big transformer-looking box, that's the important bit. You have a ballast that switches between wattage? I didn't know those existed...do you have to switch it or does it do it automatically? What brand is it, where did you [or your brother] get it from, and how much did you pay?

    Usually ballasts are designed for one wattage only. I dont know anyone or anywhere that sells a ballast that can be used with bulbs of different wattage. Nitrobud is right on, use the wrong bulb and you're asking for serious trouble. Find out for sure what your ballast is [Im guessing 600w] or you're gonna keep melting things.

    gd luck with your extraction troubles,

    ps
    MH bulbs are a lot hotter than hps. If you're growing one, or even a few plants a 250w hps is plenty, and will definitely be cooler than the 400 or the equivalent mh.

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