Just with my 2 plants..one, i was able to give it a 20-8-8 fertilizer (300+ ppm) in mid veg, no problems at all..the other bigger one..one teaspoon of a 5-0-1 fertilizer to 4l of water (about 150-200 ppm), gave it the nitrogen claw instantly. Also, since your 2 strains have different feeding demands, if you're feeding them the same exact mixture, then the one with an issue will get worse over time. Being that you're so close to the end, remember plants do change colors near the finish, it's natural to a degree. As for the 9-10 weeks from the breeder...sometimes it finishes then..but often times it goes a bit longer, it has nothing to do with 'perfect' conditions, just a marketing scheme to sell the seeds.
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Thanks for the input, I do think some of the color changes are due to age from what I've seen on the internet. For my first grow I have been trying to keep everything very simple, but I am very unsure at the present time, all the time and money invested so far, it would be just a huge waste if things went wrong. Also I am a Hep C survivor, that's the reason I am growing, need to be able to party without any alcohol.
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Like leaves in autumn, they can change to orangish, reddish, purplish, yellowing..once you harvest, its kind of how you want the plant looking, it has used up all its stored nutrients in lower leaves, the buds won't come out tasting 'chemically'. As for being a huge waste if things go wrong..it really isn't a waste in the longrun, as it's only through mistakes/failures, that one actually ends up learning something 
My first grow a year and a half ago, and 2 auto plants got me 1oz total of far below average quality..i still had to buy from my guy as what i grew was weak! Fast forward..my last grow this summer netted me just shy of 12 oz's between 4 auto's (using just small cfl's and an old mars 300), half of it above average, the other half average, but it seems the strain wasn't great from online reviews, so the quality of the blue mammoth, biggest one, was average. It takes time, there are many things to know, most especially when something starts going wrong, and no matter how good you are..the best of the best will still run into issues from time to time, it happens..knowing what to do is key, and you only know because you had to go through it once before
I have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours reading mostly agricultural papers from university studies, the science of how plants grow, how they eat, how they treat each element, how the elements behave in soil. If you care and have the time, i suggest starting with a search on anions and cations in soil, it can sound complicated, but from there you may find your path. Im still learning alot! lol
My first grow a year and a half ago, and 2 auto plants got me 1oz total of far below average quality..i still had to buy from my guy as what i grew was weak! Fast forward..my last grow this summer netted me just shy of 12 oz's between 4 auto's (using just small cfl's and an old mars 300), half of it above average, the other half average, but it seems the strain wasn't great from online reviews, so the quality of the blue mammoth, biggest one, was average. It takes time, there are many things to know, most especially when something starts going wrong, and no matter how good you are..the best of the best will still run into issues from time to time, it happens..knowing what to do is key, and you only know because you had to go through it once before I have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours reading mostly agricultural papers from university studies, the science of how plants grow, how they eat, how they treat each element, how the elements behave in soil. If you care and have the time, i suggest starting with a search on anions and cations in soil, it can sound complicated, but from there you may find your path. Im still learning alot! lolWhen a plant starts looking bad, there is basically 3 things that it can be..assuming the environment is good (temp, humidity, and no infestation). its either a deficiency of an element, meaning the plant doesnt have enough, or an element is locked out either by the excess of another element or because ph is off. Knowing the difference between the 3 and then knowing how to correct it is all one nedds to know..but that can take a while to know and understand..just keep reading and reading..eventually..if it's important enough to be successful at it..you will find the right answers!
Thank you, very insightful. I hope I get some kind of decent crop this time and can relax on the next one. I think if I can get 2 to 3 ounces on this grow and my Mighty Vape is as good as they say, I'll be good to go for the next couple of months.When a plant starts looking bad, there is basically 3 things that it can be..assuming the environment is good (temp, humidity, and no infestation). its either a deficiency of an element, meaning the plant doesnt have enough, or an element is locked out either by the excess of another element or because ph is off. Knowing the difference between the 3 and then knowing how to correct it is all one nedds to know..but that can take a while to know and understand..just keep reading and reading..eventually..if it's important enough to be successful at it..you will find the right answers!
The 3 pics are of my first grow, the plants were starving as it hit flowering at week 5-6 and the yellowing started, i had no idea what to do as i kept reading less is more..i starved them..each one was half an oz dried. The other pic is from last winter, my 3rd grow, that was the best quality one to date, moneymaker from strain hunters, that one alone was 4.5 oz's. Practice makes perfect, your next grow will be much better!
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I will definitely do things different next time, plan on growing 4 plants in the tent and LST will be a must. If I'm not mistaken it looks like you also did some LST on your plants?
Yes..lst i did with the first two as well..but i didnt fully understand the concept yet, so those first two, while trained, still looked like a bad haircut..it wasn't at all symmetrical, and the top was still much higher than the rest of the plant lol. With moneymaker and the grow before that from an unknown photo seed from a dispensary, i got it done more efficiently. In that last pic, week 10, that plant was done within days of the pic..you can see a bit in that pic that the leaves were naturally purpling.
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It looks like LST really helps with keeping the plants less bushy, I find it very hard pulling the plants out of the tent because of their bulk and size. In the next grow I plan on flushing them every couple of weeks and hope keeping the size down will help a lot.
Lst opens the middle of the plant and gives each top (cola) space to get optimum light and grow to full potential. It allows for better air circulation as well avoiding problems like mold. Especially when using weaker lights like i do, it's important to get the light as close as possible to all budding sites evenly, and lst makes that happen.
As for flushing every few weeks, if feeding properly, it's not necessary and not recommended as it does stress the plant to an extent. In ideal cases, and some would even debate this as studies are not conclusive, that flushing the last 10-14 days of flowering is the only time it should be done to flush out nutrients. This is a long video, but it's the first i watched last year after my first grow and it's what led me on my research to better understand how it all works.
As for flushing every few weeks, if feeding properly, it's not necessary and not recommended as it does stress the plant to an extent. In ideal cases, and some would even debate this as studies are not conclusive, that flushing the last 10-14 days of flowering is the only time it should be done to flush out nutrients. This is a long video, but it's the first i watched last year after my first grow and it's what led me on my research to better understand how it all works.
Thanks, will watch it tomorrow, it's getting late over here. Good night.
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That may be true but all strains grow different in different conditons also autos sometime have stunting mutations
Here is an update on my situation. The Northern Light on the right keeps getting worse, but the Royal Jack on the left is doing just fine. Also, the upper leaves on the NL are much worse than the lower leaves, anybody know the reason for that? As bad as it looks the buds seem to be doing just fine, while checking the trichomes a couple of days ago I noticed some amber tops and also noticed some stickiness on the buds. I decided to cut one of the smaller buds and Vape it, tasted like crap but I got a decent high out of it. The RJ on the left is not showing any amber tops on the trichomes yet, but I'm keeping a close eye on it.
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I believe you're past week 10 now? The way it looks is normal, if the trichomes are close to done..just keep flushing if it's still drinking..otherwise let it finish..it doesnt want any more nutes..maybe that's why the smoke didnt taste great, its building up in the buds. Auto's are usually done between 8-10 weeks from sprout.
Thanks,
Yes, today is day 73, I'll keep waiting until the trichomes are done even though I was thinking about harvesting early because of the way the plant looks. It is still slowly drinking and as I wrote before the lower part of the plant is still green and looks somewhat healthy, is that also normal?
Sorry, been away this week. No need to harvest early because of the plant's appearance. Again, it's normal..you don't want to harvest a plant that is perfectly green and fresh looking either. By the time you chop, ideally you want the plant looking a bit worn down..then you know the plant has used up its stored nutrients in the leaves, smoke will be smooth. Yes, the lower part will be greener as those leaves are shielded from the light, and not consuming as much as the top, where the energy is. You can harvest in 2 sessions. Chop the upper half and let the lower part go a little longer to ripen those buds.
Thank you, perfect timing for your advice, I really don't want to do something wrong at this stage. I will harvest the Northern Light in two sessions, the buds at the bottom of the plant are not nearly as ripe as the top. The Royal Jack is also turning yellow, hard to get used to all the yellow after all the weeks of beautiful greenness. Another worry of mine is that the trichomes seem to be taking forever to turn amber in color, is this really that slow of a process?
Depending on the strain, it can take a bit longer for some to finish up. Once you start seeing extensive yellowing at this stage, and you see that the same feeding you were giving it in mid flower isn't having an affect anymore, meaning leaves are still turning yellowish and orangish and such, it means the plant had enough, you can give it a 2000 ppm feed and the only thing it'll do is make the buds harsh and metal tasting. Just keep an eye on the trichomes, the ideal harvest window happens quickly and you have a couple days to chop it in that time frame. The only thing you have to worry for from here on out, is keeping your temp and humidity in check, as powdery mildew/mold are your only enemies from here through curing.