My First Vert

JDMase

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I put a dome over them as they started to droop almost instantly, it's probably due to the amount of root manipulation I needed to get them in the cubes. Only downside of rockwool vs a soil like medium like coco or soil.
 

JDMase

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Maybe im micromanaging but as well as a dome ive now put a hot water bottle under the plate they're on. I didn't use boiling water just warm water from the tap. Sort of a make shift heat mat.
 

coreywebster

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If they don't perk up, how long should I give them until I change something?
I pot my seeds way before they get to that point, like 1cm of root poking out and the shell still no where near close to coming away. Obviously I'm in coco but I poke a tiny hole and let the tap sit in and the seed shell sit just below the top.
You might want to try going in to your cubes earlier. Its gona be a shock to them at the point they are at.
Hopefully they perk up. If they don't perk up by tomorrow you could extend your rockwool. Cut some cubes from one side to the centre and lift the seedling and slide it across so its holding them up. If catch my drift.
 
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JDMase

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I pot my seeds way before they get to that point, like 1cm of root poking out and the shell still no where near close to coming away. Obviously I'm in coco but I poke a tiny hole and let the tap sit in and the seed shell sit just below the top.
You might want to try going in to your cubes earlier. Its gona be a shock to them at the point they are at.
Hopefully they perk up. If they don't perk up by tomorrow you could extend your rockwool. Cut some cubes from one side to the centre and lift the seedling and slide it across so its holding them up. If catch my drift.
Yeah I get you, I never normally leave them this long on purpose I just didn't expect after 2 days for them to be that long! Shouldnt complain. I was just too high to cope with it last night haha.

If they aren't perked up by tonight I'll put them in the 3" cubes ive got and put them under a 125w cfl about a metre away.. Ive got it on with the Pineapple Express vegging in there so it won't be direct light.
 

gr865

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Well I must've gone way over then, a teaspoon per 5 gallons? I did a tablespoon for 6.5 litres. I just went off the first forum post I saw. I think im gonna give them a break from additives - temps are as high as 35c in the tent at the moment. Going to have to lower the nutrients again to compensate.

How come your pH is so low? I usually start at 5.8 and finish in 6.3 steadily rising through the grow, it's aomething @LandAndHeir told me about when I first joined the forum.
That's 2 tsp epsom/5 gallon.
I would suggest you let the plants dictate when and what you are giving them. You really need nothing but pH'ed water to start them, then let the plants grow for a bit before you start adding crap. Remember less is more.

I always start my pH in the mid 7's, this is after recirculation, then I let the pH float upward during the period before I add more nute to the mix. It will float upwards and I don't adjust the pH until it gets in near the 6.0 point. My pH when I begin the process , adding completely fresh water and nutes is around 5.6 and I adjust it upward to around 5.75 run the transfer pump for a few hours and it will reach the 5.8 to 5.85. Then it sits in the rez until cycle times and it will be between 5.8 and 5.9 through the cycles.
Oh my RO water is 6.0.
 

ttystikk

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That's 2 tsp epsom/5 gallon.
I would suggest you let the plants dictate when and what you are giving them. You really need nothing but pH'ed water to start them, then let the plants grow for a bit before you start adding crap. Remember less is more.

I always start my pH in the mid 7's, this is after recirculation, then I let the pH float upward during the period before I add more nute to the mix. It will float upwards and I don't adjust the pH until it gets in near the 6.0 point. My pH when I begin the process , adding completely fresh water and nutes is around 5.6 and I adjust it upward to around 5.75 run the transfer pump for a few hours and it will reach the 5.8 to 5.85. Then it sits in the rez until cycle times and it will be between 5.8 and 5.9 through the cycles.
Oh my RO water is 6.0.
I'd strongly recommend you start weighing out your dry nutrients, as using teaspoons and the like will always be an imprecise approximation.

For instance, I'm pretty happy with right about one gram of epsom salt (magnesium sulfate heptahydrate) per gallon of ready to use nutrient solution. I've bumped that up before and gotten all kinds of nasty lockouts.
 

JDMase

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Why are they in the dark?

They're stretching because they aren't getting any light!

How can I tell? They aren't GREEN!
Hey ttystikk! You are correct! I probably rambled on far too much in my previous posts. I basically realised late last night that they'd popped way sooner than I had expected, I don't like to play with my plants when ive smoked so I set my alarm early to get up and do it early.

Just so you guys know they have done well with a really sunny afternoon, I kept them in a shady spot and they've perked up. What a relief :)
 

JDMase

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That's 2 tsp epsom/5 gallon.
I would suggest you let the plants dictate when and what you are giving them. You really need nothing but pH'ed water to start them, then let the plants grow for a bit before you start adding crap. Remember less is more.

I always start my pH in the mid 7's, this is after recirculation, then I let the pH float upward during the period before I add more nute to the mix. It will float upwards and I don't adjust the pH until it gets in near the 6.0 point. My pH when I begin the process , adding completely fresh water and nutes is around 5.6 and I adjust it upward to around 5.75 run the transfer pump for a few hours and it will reach the 5.8 to 5.85. Then it sits in the rez until cycle times and it will be between 5.8 and 5.9 through the cycles.
Oh my RO water is 6.0.
I think I'll give them it infrequently, I had a lot of yellowing and dying leaves (and 3 hands full) but I don't think that's deficiency related.

I did use RO water but ive not had any problems that I can identify as being due to my water. Im only now letting my water sit because I know there is some chlorine in there. Im really not sure what the benefit of RO is? I know obviously that it's pure, and that my tap water is hard, but I don't know if that's so bad?
 

JDMase

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As soon as your plants have good roots, be they seedlings or cuttings, give them lots of light.
Do you mean the long tap root like mine had, or do you mean once they start popping out the edges of the cube? My usual veg tent is a 125W CFL, my flower tent is a 315w CMH (soon to be two in there, excited :D)
 

ttystikk

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Do you mean the long tap root like mine had, or do you mean once they start popping out the edges of the cube? My usual veg tent is a 125W CFL, my flower tent is a 315w CMH (soon to be two in there, excited :D)
A taproot qualifies.
 

gr865

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I'd strongly recommend you start weighing out your dry nutrients, as using teaspoons and the like will always be an imprecise approximation.

For instance, I'm pretty happy with right about one gram of epsom salt (magnesium sulfate heptahydrate) per gallon of ready to use nutrient solution. I've bumped that up before and gotten all kinds of nasty lockouts.

Yes you are right, i do use grams not tsp, my bad!
 

JDMase

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A taproot qualifies.
I put them under the cfl, been a few hours now (without dome) and the sage n sour is drooping. Other two seem fine. Dome back on and im going to check on them in the morning - placed a sheet of paper on top of the dome to diffuse some of the light just incase its too bright. Don't want to shock them i guess. Not sure how necessary that is.
 

JDMase

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Sage n sour still falling over periodically. Any ideas? I did take the humidity dome off and put it under my 125w CFL This morning (around 2 ft away) then it started happening.

Gonna place it back by the window with the hot water bottle underneath, and dome ontop again. Looks like it's trying to perk up, hopefully the cloudy skies are enough for it today.
 

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JDMase

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Sapphire OG popped. What on earth do I do with it?!!! It looks like it has cotyledons on each end and a massively thick taproot

False alarm. I thought it was a Siamese but it seems that the cotyledons were split at "birth". One is on the actual top, the other loosely attached
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