My favorite things to hear when medical growers get busted...

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ozzrokk

ozzrokk

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bob harris said:
Please do...you'll just prove yourself wrong..which is why you'll never do it.
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Well since you asked.
In this thread you posted this

bob harris said:
Of course..would you expect different?

When any law is enacted, it is usually restricted, and controls put in place, before it is expanded.

That's done to stop the profiteering and abuses.To make the law work in a socially accepted manner.

Do you suggest an "anything goes" approach?

And there is a bill currently circulating to define Doctor patient relationships as they apply to issuance of cards.

It's a complex issue. My doctor for example..a well known Neurologist, at the largest Parkinson's specific facility in Michigan, is an advocate of cannabis for Parkinson's. He can not however, endorse use, as far as signing an application for a card, because of the rules of the facility that he works for.

That makes Doctors willing to sign apps necessary.

The issue is in holding the doctors willing and able to sign apps accountable for actually establishing a valid condition, before approving apps.

In practice, the Doctors willing to approve apps...approve for anything..they are simply profiteering, selling approvals, not objectively evaluation medical needs.

Hence the catch 22 problem..which is being address by law makers.
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Well you posted this much at first

bob harris said:
Of course..would you expect different?

When any law is enacted, it is usually restricted, and controls put in place, before it is expanded.

That's done to stop the profiteering and abuses.To make the law work in a socially accepted manner.

Do you suggest an "anything goes" approach?
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Then I posted this

ozzrokk said:
bob harris said:
Then you would demand that they do ALL of that but would not be allowed to make any money off of it.

Is that correct?

You see the idea is nice but

Ahh fuckit Murfy said it best

Get the FUCK off of our porch BITCH.......
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Then you went back and added this to your post

bob harris said:
And there is a bill currently circulating to define Doctor patient relationships as they apply to issuance of cards.

It's a complex issue. My doctor for example..a well known Neurologist, at the largest Parkinson's specific facility in Michigan, is an advocate of cannabis for Parkinson's. He can not however, endorse use, as far as signing an application for a card, because of the rules of the facility that he works for.

That makes Doctors willing to sign apps necessary.

The issue is in holding the doctors willing and able to sign apps accountable for actually establishing a valid condition, before approving apps.

In practice, the Doctors willing to approve apps...approve for anything..they are simply profiteering, selling approvals, not objectively evaluation medical needs.

Hence the catch 22 problem..which is being address by law makers.
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bob harris

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ozzrokk said:
Well since you asked.
In this thread you posted this




Well you posted this much at first



Then I posted this

ozzrokk said:
Then you went back and added this to your post



Did you follow?
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Yes..I posted part of my response. my computer timed out on RUI, I signed back in and finished.

Added to..not changed. Your saying I change the post to alter content, that's not accurate.

And it in no way affected the correlation to your response.to the question of reasonable wages. Even in the example you now show, can you point out where I caused your reply of "and you want them to do all of this for no profit"

Your response had no relevance. I never said that they should not make money running a dispensary....you just read that in.

Now, you wish to say that somehow that addition made your comment have different meaning. It did not...you once again..are avoiding the question posed.

So where did you come up with your "and make no money " comment...and how did I lead you there?
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ozzrokk

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bob harris said:
Totally agree.

And legalization should be argued and discussed in the "legalization" Forum....not the Medical Forum.
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That I can agree with but it is looking more and more that the inability to accept mmj is pushing everyone to full legalization as the only resort left.
 
Cory and trevor

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I'd like to quote a quote you quoted about my quote but then I'd look like a dick arguing with a fool. You can quote me on that.
 
Filthy Phil

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So now I'm lost, or baked, or....so anyways Bob, after all this crap-ola, Im kind of lost as to what your whole problem actually is. I mean, I have my own ideas, but what problem really is it that you have? Is it that you dislike people taking advantage of the medical mj for money and such? If I remember you said you have Parkinsons right? Is it that you feel the people who are most in need for mmj are losing the legitimacy of the movement due to opportunists or people with less severe reasons for need? I'm not trying to bait you, just this whole thread has been occupying my mind and I would like to give it another chance.at seeing it from your point of view. Do you feel that people making large incomes from it shouldnt be doing so? I just dont u.derstand, with all due respect, please restate your thesis.
 
Buddy Ganga

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ozzrokk said:
That I can agree with but it is looking more and more that the inability to accept mmj is pushing everyone to full legalization as the only resort left.
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The inability to accept MMJ, IS leading us in the oposite direction. The sooner people realize that the better off we will be.
 
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gotigers0420

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Filthy Phil said:
So now I'm lost, or baked, or....so anyways Bob, after all this crap-ola, Im kind of lost as to what your whole problem actually is. I mean, I have my own ideas, but what problem really is it that you have? Is it that you dislike people taking advantage of the medical mj for money and such? If I remember you said you have Parkinsons right? Is it that you feel the people who are most in need for mmj are losing the legitimacy of the movement due to opportunists or people with less severe reasons for need? I'm not trying to bait you, just this whole thread has been occupying my mind and I would like to give it another chance.at seeing it from your point of view. Do you feel that people making large incomes from it shouldnt be doing so? I just dont u.derstand, with all due respect, please restate your thesis.
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Good luck man, you don't know what youre in for. Bob can be a bit confusing sometimes. Not to himself but definitely to others.
 
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bob harris

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Filthy Phil said:
So now I'm lost, or baked, or....so anyways Bob, after all this crap-ola, Im kind of lost as to what your whole problem actually is. I mean, I have my own ideas, but what problem really is it that you have? Is it that you dislike people taking advantage of the medical mj for money and such? If I remember you said you have Parkinsons right? Is it that you feel the people who are most in need for mmj are losing the legitimacy of the movement due to opportunists or people with less severe reasons for need? I'm not trying to bait you, just this whole thread has been occupying my mind and I would like to give it another chance.at seeing it from your point of view. Do you feel that people making large incomes from it shouldnt be doing so? I just dont u.derstand, with all due respect, please restate your thesis.
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You're really close.
Yes, I dislike that people exploit mmj for unreasonable profits. Not that they wish to enter the mmj field as an opportunity to make some money, but the ones clearly using mmj laws to legitimize drug dealing. Yes, it's upsetting that the actions of those people abusing the laws, are causing the laws to be tightened for true medical users, regardless of severity of condition. Yes, I feel people that people stretching the law to maximize their income, without regard to to the to the true intent of mmj laws are giving the honest one a bad name. I';m certainly NOT against reasonable profits for the work involved in care giving or growing. They key is what is reasonable?

200,000 k a year for managing 60 plants, isn't reasonable. It's wanting drug dealer wages, while hiding behind mmj laws. Making 50k a year for managing a 60 plant grow...that is probably reasonable. But that reasonable wage will vary. a guy in California has higher cost of living to deal with compared to a guy in Michigan.

Does that help?
 
stems&seeds

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So you think we should have salary caps placed on caregivers? Sounds very "American" to me. I'm sure that would really help promote competition.
I really like the idea of some higher authority determining what is reasonable! Spoken like a true politician.
How about those that have been growing for years regardless of the law? Are they now supposed to conform to these above mentioned standards so as not to "spoil it" for all the newcomers entering the fray? Keep in mind these are the people partly responsible for paving the way.
 
Murfy

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now that i can get behind-

it's not about the cap. it's about policing our own ranks, adn making sure the movement is healthy, and making progression. bob is right, many don't do shit. nnow that we have the law, every fuck up is agrower that thinks hhe's woth a million bucks. he's not.

and that's were the drug dealers come in. most are reasonable people, who at best make about 50 grand a year extra. the only thing is they all follow the same path, there are expectations, and they are not crossed. instead of alienating these folks, it's evident they ran successful businesses in spite of great opposition. their model works.
 
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stems&seeds said:
So you think we should have salary caps placed on caregivers? Sounds very "American" to me. I'm sure that would really help promote competition.
I really like the idea of some higher authority determining what is reasonable! Spoken like a true politician.
How about those that have been growing for years regardless of the law? Are they now supposed to conform to these above mentioned standards so as not to "spoil it" for all the newcomers entering the fray? Keep in mind these are the people partly responsible for paving the way.
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I knew you were trying to bait me the second I read"I'm not trying to bait you,but.."

So because I didn't take the bait...your trying to snag me with the hook.

I never mentioned salary caps. I never mentioned "higher authorities" determining reasonable wages..those are your words, spoken to cause argument, and suit your needs.

What about the growers acting illegally before mmj laws? Sure, they may have voted for mmj laws..so they could have a card to hide behind. And yes, some were growing for med or research purposes. But they weren't the ones making huge money.

The reality is that cannabis isn't real hard to grow. It doesn't require massive knowledge or skill sets. Nor does it require massive hours.
Yes, an experienced grower should produce a better crop with lower costs than a newbie. Should, being the operative word. He should make a better living because he knows how to limit growing costs better, and knows how to grow a better product. He SHOULD make a better living based upon the edge he has in experience. But he's not ENTITLED to make a better living.

An experienced cook makes a higher wage than a newbie cook. He makes the higher wage because he produces quality food at a quicker pace than the newbie. But he still makes cook wages..which are naturally capped..as there are plenty of others that could and would do the job for the wage he is getting.

Now, that cook could become a chef..and make more money. And he could become an elite chef, like Gordon Ramsey and make huge money.
That's free enterprise. But he shouldn't expect Gordon Ramsey wages for cooking at Burger King.

And growing cannabis just isn't hard enough to master that it should pay huge wages. fair wages? Absolutely. Nothing to do with salary caps, nothing to do with a higher authority determining what's reasonable.

How did you get such radical ideas about what I wrote?
 
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bob harris

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blissfest said:
Selling meds is illegal in the State of Mi.

Seems like Bob would know that?
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I do know that..hence why my post revolve around fair wages for being a caregiver. Compensation for time, cost to produce and ability. The only time I talk about the value of meds... it's in the context of how that amount relates to compensation for time, cost to produce and ability.
 
blissfest

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bob harris said:
I do know that..hence why my post revolve around fair wages for being a caregiver. Compensation for time, cost to produce and ability. The only time I talk about the value of meds... it's in the context of how that amount relates to compensation for time, cost to produce and ability.
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Wonder how the Feds would look at your opinion?

I thought they dont give a fuck, what anyones opinion is, LOL!

You're barkin up the wrong tree here dude, it aint legal, we all know that:)
 
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bob harris

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blissfest said:
Wonder how the Feds would look at your opinion?

I thought they dont give a fuck, what anyones opinion is, LOL!

You're barkin up the wrong tree here dude, it aint legal, we all know that:)
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More concerned about how the State would look at it. See, we are in a forum that discusses medical mj in Michigan.

And if you want the feds to view medical mj as legit..wouldn't you try to make it work in the State that's allowed you the right, in the first place?

Oh, I see..no one ever taught you about one step at a time...

So, sir, what's your agenda in a Michigan Medical forum? To make sure that we never progress? So that it does stay totally illegal? So that you can profit from black market drugs? Please share....
 
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