My favorite things to hear when medical growers get busted...

DankGrower said:

Bob I like the idea behind most of what you are saying. I am some what like you in that I dont push the limits of what my cards allow me in michigan. Personally I am way below my "allowed" plant count. But I too feel the discomfort of stretching the laws as they are currently interpreted buy selling my "overage" to other care givers for other patients I do agree there are a lot of retarded pot heads with one card from a doctor they bribed to get a weed card have 307 plants they would claim they are still clones on the 8th week of flower.

However when taken as a whole you do come off a little to much on martyr side the woe is me look at the pain the bad man has caused me. It strikes me as a little Emoish. I think what we should be asking ourselves is how do we correct the situation.


On a quick side note Murfy. Dont ever speak for Gen X again there is a large group of us who have been very sucessful in life and we are pissed you were not Cloroxed out of the gene pool by parents during the first trimester. Move out of the basement at your parents house before you try to lead a revoultion If you are the face of the Medical Marijuana in Michigan we are screwed we will be back into prohibition in no time

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Sorry I come off that way. Don't feel like or care to be a martyr. I've had a great life. And I'm not nearly as worried about what tightening laws would do to me, but what it could do for others it was designed to help. I'll be fine with or without the ability to make a small payback for my growing efforts. Others with a true debilitating and chronic condition may not be so fortunate. Not only has the law helped them with meeds, it may have been providing them with supplemental income. Money they could really use. With all due respect to the master growers out there, if you were truly disabled, indoor gardening may be one of the few things you could do.

sniffer said:

medical , meds , patients ,, lol
its weed , and its not just for sick people

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I don't disagree. But that's a "legalize" statement..shouldn't be argues in a medical thread.

DankGrower said:

Bob I like the idea behind most of what you are saying. I am some what like you in that I dont push the limits of what my cards allow me in michigan. Personally I am way below my "allowed" plant count. But I too feel the discomfort of stretching the laws as they are currently interpreted buy selling my "overage" to other care givers for other patients I do agree there are a lot of retarded pot heads with one card from a doctor they bribed to get a weed card have 307 plants they would claim they are still clones on the 8th week of flower.

However when taken as a whole you do come off a little to much on martyr side the woe is me look at the pain the bad man has caused me. It strikes me as a little Emoish. I think what we should be asking ourselves is how do we correct the situation.


On a quick side note Murfy. Dont ever speak for Gen X again there is a large group of us who have been very sucessful in life and we are pissed you were not Cloroxed out of the gene pool by parents during the first trimester. Move out of the basement at your parents house before you try to lead a revoultion If you are the face of the Medical Marijuana in Michigan we are screwed we will be back into prohibition in no time

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DankGrower..are you who I think yo are? Looked at your grow pics, Querkle, and it looks like a room Ive seen...matter of fact, looks like a room from a guy that learned most of what he knows about growing from me(not taking credit for your work, just sayin)If you're who I think you are, why don't you chime in for the nay Sayers and let them know that the pics I post are mine. Let them know whose meds you use too, would ya?

By the way, cloroxed out of the gene pool in the first trimester,,that's harsh....

wanted to quote. my bad.. keep reading lol. sorry for double post

Did you really just try and use aspirin to make some point about the use of cannabis ? Seriously in the same post you mention "bad logic"...

tomcatjones said:

no. it isn't. you have bad logic.

healthy people use medicine all the effing time. and it keeps them in good health.

this guy bob has all these comments, but yet...

he ignores all mine that completely refute his points.

healthy people take aspirin and many drugs all the time. and in fact out of all drugs a healthy person could take to stay healthy and well.. it would be cannabis you fucktard!

not a legalize statement. it's a legitimate point and one that many people don't realize.

fuck you. it is an antioxidant. i don't want cancer. will keep on using medicinally here.

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http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/prevention/antioxidants

Try fruit first as an antioxidant...it's organic too. Had you said neuro protective, I may have been a little more impressed. Cannabis does have many clinical studies saying that it's use may prevent or slow the onset of some neurological diseases. Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, ALS

But really? Antioxidant?
Med laws state use is for "debilitating and chronic" conditions..not prevention....

bob harris said:

DankGrower..are you who I think yo are? Looked at your grow pics, Querkle, and it looks like a room Ive seen...matter of fact, looks like a room from a guy that learned most of what he knows about growing from me(not taking credit for your work, just sayin)If you're who I think you are, why don't you chime in for the nay Sayers and let them know that the pics I post are mine. Let them know whose meds you use too, would ya?

By the way, cloroxed out of the gene pool in the first trimester,,that's harsh....

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I very well could be that guy. What do you mean back you up were you stealing pictures of my grow again ROFL. You need to read the laws definition however bro you always state chronic and debilitating thats not what the law says in fact it make allownce for the prevention of symptoms in some diseases. Here is what the law does say.
(a) "Debilitating medical condition" means 1 or more of the following:
(1) Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, hepatitis C, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Crohn's disease, agitation of Alzheimer's disease, nail patella, or the treatment of these conditions.
(2) A chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces 1 or more of the following: cachexia or wasting syndrome; severe and chronic pain; severe nausea; seizures, including but not limited to those characteristic of epilepsy; or severe and persistent muscle spasms, including but not limited to those characteristic of multiple sclerosis.
(3) Any other medical condition or its treatment approved by the department, as provided for in section 5 for the bill.


That pretty much sums up what the law says but feel free to look it up here: http://www.michigan.gov/lara/0,4601,7-154-27417_51869_52138---,00.html



To the best of my ablity to find the state has not yet added any additional diseases or illnesses which would qualify you for medical marijuana.



Well Clorox was the only thing I was sure everyone would understand would be effective in removing stains from things. But I am pretty harsh always have been.
It seems like i forgot to address something i read here but i cant remember what it was... must have been pretty unimportant

screw the Medical marijuana ,, just use regular Marijuana , less of a hassle

Hey, Dankgrower, now that we've talked on the phone, and know who each other is...would ya mind backing me up a little. I know we're both arrogant asses, but could ya at least tell these guys that I'm not making up this stuff about my business experience, the help I've given west Michigan med grower, and the quality of my meds? Maybe a little..yeah, I've seen the bastard on the steps of the diaz at Hash Bash with Adam Brooks..after all, I took you with me....

bob harris said:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/prevention/antioxidants

Try fruit first as an antioxidant...it's organic too. Had you said neuro protective, I may have been a little more impressed. Cannabis does have many clinical studies saying that it's use may prevent or slow the onset of some neurological diseases. Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, ALS

But really? Antioxidant?
Med laws state use is for "debilitating and chronic" conditions..not prevention....

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you obviously know very little about cannabis. -but using it as a prevention is the main reason for MS and arthritic patients. it helps slow degradation.

i suggest you look at the US GOVERNMENT PATENT that says everything i told you an more.

about fruit and organics? i grow my own - organics comes easier in my cannabis than having to buy fruit from a grocery store. would love to buy more organic fruit, but have an inability do to regional reasons. produce alone is effing expensive let alone the organic. but ALL CONSUMED PRODUCTS SHOULD BE ORGANIC.

and to Buddy ganja

i would argue that when in the event that i, a healthy person, am in the event that i need a quick blood thinner for whatever reason. it would be a benefit.

but your attack, which added very little to the conversation, was unnecessary at best. it seems you couldn't understand the comparison between "healthily branded drugs" like aspirin that are found in your convenience store and are LEGALLY okay to the perfectly harmless cannabis plant which isn't..

you attacked someone who agrees with you.. fool.

wtf dbl post again. i swear i clicked it only once, promise. lol

Edit: Bob... i know you are probably a great grower. and that is awesome for you and your patients and anyone who you can teach. hell, i'll be the first to ask for help. come look at my room and tell me what i gotta do. but i'm broke, like a lot. regardless...

my point is this: before you go around spreading mininfo, find the real info first.

and you can't defend yourself on who you know or your reputation, just by what you say.

tomcatjones said:

and to Buddy ganja

i would argue that when in the event that i, a healthy person, am in the event that i need a quick blood thinner for whatever reason. it would be a benefit.

but your attack, which added very little to the conversation, was unnecessary at best. it seems you couldn't understand the comparison between "healthily branded drugs" like aspirin that are found in your convenience store and are LEGALLY okay to the perfectly harmless cannabis plant which isn't..

you attacked someone who agrees with you.. fool.

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We don't agree, and I find most of what you've been posting to be completely irrelevant.
That's usually how it goes when someone starts in with shit like legal aspirin in a conversation about mmj.

tomcatjones said:

you obviously know very little about cannabis. -but using it as a prevention is the main reason for MS and arthritic patients. it helps slow degradation.

i suggest you look at the US GOVERNMENT PATENT that says everything i told you an more.

about fruit and organics? i grow my own - organics comes easier in my cannabis than having to buy fruit from a grocery store. would love to buy more organic fruit, but have an inability do to regional reasons. produce alone is effing expensive let alone the organic. but ALL CONSUMED PRODUCTS SHOULD BE ORGANIC.

and to Buddy ganja

i would argue that when in the event that i, a healthy person, am in the event that i need a quick blood thinner for whatever reason. it would be a benefit.

but your attack, which added very little to the conversation, was unnecessary at best. it seems you couldn't understand the comparison between "healthily branded drugs" like aspirin that are found in your convenience store and are LEGALLY okay to the perfectly harmless cannabis plant which isn't..

you attacked someone who agrees with you.. fool.

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The problem with your logic is that "prevention" does not fall into any med law. Yes, after a diagnosis, cannabis may prevent progression of symptomology.

However, without a diagnosis of the Illness, there is no provision under any med law for use of cannabis to prevent the development of a disease you may get in the future.

If you don't have MS, you can't get med cannabis under the thought of preventing developing MS later.

Same with arthritis or glaucoma. Your original argument was that it should be available for use to anyone to prevent getting a disease/condition in the first place. Using to prevent escalation AFTER diagnosis is quite different.

Here is your original comment...sure sounds like you're advocating use before diagnosis to me....


no. it isn't. you have bad logic.

healthy people use medicine all the effing time. and it keeps them in good health.

this guy bob has all these comments, but yet...

he ignores all mine that completely refute his points.

healthy people take aspirin and many drugs all the time. and in fact out of all drugs a healthy person could take to stay healthy and well.. it would be cannabis you fucktard!

not a legalize statement. it's a legitimate point and one that many people don't realize.

fuck you. it is an antioxidant. i don't want cancer. will keep on using medicinally here.

how bout-

you close this pos. and start the great PD thread. there is some really good info gettin thrown around, that won't be accessed due to location.
ok bob we get it, lots a people are fuckin up. we talked about it a bunch since you've been a member. why did you wait so long to get involved. did you just want the google listing for "medical, busted"?

we're not the ones that are doing it. the active members here are medical users. quit haranguing.

are you familiar with granny storm crow, and her list?

thanks murf for bringing it back to medicinal use.

and as i understand it. this is the medical marijuana forum for Michigan patients. nowhere does it state its the forum for "only MMA 08 qualifying conditions" -there are many conditions bob that aren't allowed under our law. doesn't mean cannabis doesn't help or can't be used to help prevent them.

and doing so would be considered medicinal use.


and Buddy - once again.. you are so hung up on that aspirin metaphor. get over it dude.. its was metaphor(or simile or don't even remember how i posted it). Cannabis in all forms ought to be a medicine regulated just like aspirin, free for anyone over 18/21 to use unprescribed. I personally would never touch aspirin, much like you i assume, since i see you have a distaste for it. but yet it is a very common substance that many people use and so it was something very easy to use as an example of a regulated drug. never did i say it was on a level equal with cannabis in efficacy or anything of that sort. you read a comment and wanted to be angry, i understand. but if you are confused, just ask

Murfy said:

how bout-

you close this pos. and start the great PD thread. there is some really good info gettin thrown around, that won't be accessed due to location.
ok bob we get it, lots a people are fuckin up. we talked about it a bunch since you've been a member. why did you wait so long to get involved. did you just want the google listing for "medical, busted"?

we're not the ones that are doing it. the active members here are medical users. quit haranguing.

are you familiar with granny storm crow, and her list?

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Murph..started 2 threads, one about conditions that would benefit from high thc/thcv strains (PD included) and one obout the ffect differences betwwen indica's and sativa's...

And thanks, I'll look into the granny storm crow thing..

thank you-

bob.

Anyone who would post a thread with this title needs a good ole beating....Id be willing to do it! Close the damn thread already!

tomcatjones said:

and Buddy - once again.. you are so hung up on that aspirin metaphor. get over it dude.. its was metaphor(or simile or don't even remember how i posted it). Cannabis in all forms ought to be a medicine regulated just like aspirin, free for anyone over 18/21 to use unprescribed. I personally would never touch aspirin, much like you i assume, since i see you have a distaste for it. but yet it is a very common substance that many people use and so it was something very easy to use as an example of a regulated drug. never did i say it was on a level equal with cannabis in efficacy or anything of that sort. you read a comment and wanted to be angry, i understand. but if you are confused, just ask

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I'm not hung up on anything Skippy and the sooner you get over that the sooner you may realize my point.
We are not here to discuss what lengths the cannabis laws should or could be pushed or placed.
There are laws on the books already, if you feel they need to be changed or improved on then start a thread and do so.

In this thread we are talking about the laws we have, not the ones we want or think they should pass.
Now I typed this as slowly as I possibly could so I wouldn't lose you, hope it helped.

Organicgold said:

Anyone who would post a thread with this title needs a good ole beating....Id be willing to do it! Close the damn thread already!

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LMOA, come get it like Tyson..

Buddy Ganga said:

I'm not hung up on anything Skippy and the sooner you get over that the sooner you may realize my point.
We are not here to discuss what lengths the cannabis laws should or could be pushed or placed.
There are laws on the books already, if you feel they need to be changed or improved on then start a thread and do so.

In this thread we are talking about the laws we have, not the ones we want or think they should pass.
Now I typed this as slowly as I possibly could so I wouldn't lose you, hope it helped.



LMOA, come get it like Tyson..

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That is exactly why I stated the fact, that bob had made comments that he considered "illegal," under our current laws; even though they are completely legal. and are things that others in this community should support. Just like the provision to add more qualifying conditions to our law. (like i mentioned earlier - not to be so divisive like you seem to want it)

i was the one posting within the context of the thread. every time in fact. and even then, all posts "on point" have been directed to the OP.

you however, interjected with no added criticism or progress to the conversation.