My favorite things to hear when medical growers get busted...

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bob harris

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The medical marijuana state offices employ less than 25 people, there overhead is very low. It is comparatively one of the most lucrative sectors in MI government.
You really think that if all 16 states "act responsibly," than the feds are going to accept it? California was the first state to turn medical, look how responsibly they have acted over the last 15 years! Looks like they really "ruined it" for everyone else I guess. Except for the fact that there are now 16 medical states. Many of which adopted legislation to allow for disp. and gross profiteering as you like to point out.
WHAT? the medical marijuana offices are lucrative? That just hurts my brain.
25 people. employed for 3 years at 25,000 per year ( fair State Wage guess?) plus State benefits (4000 per yesr per employee cost toe the state?)

Lets say 30k per employee per year. That's $2,225,000 in salary alone. No office space rent, no supplies, utility charges...Got a clue as to what operating expenses are for a 25 person office?

There have been how may apps? 300,000? With many of them at $25 (disabled application fee) All of them at full price would only be
3 million...add operating expense to the $2,225,000 salary of the employees, Take a little off for the $25 disabled apps....where do yo come CLOSE to lucrative?.......The State is losing their ass...

And I think it's been more that 3 years, and less than 300,000 apps.....if somebody knows the app number let me know..I could be wrong...but even at twice the apps...it would be far from "lucrative"

No offense, but do you even stop and think before you post?
 

bob harris

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The medical marijuana state offices employ less than 25 people, there overhead is very low. It is comparatively one of the most lucrative sectors in MI government.
You really think that if all 16 states "act responsibly," than the feds are going to accept it? California was the first state to turn medical, look how responsibly they have acted over the last 15 years! Looks like they really "ruined it" for everyone else I guess. Except for the fact that there are now 16 medical states. Many of which adopted legislation to allow for disp. and gross profiteering as you like to point out.
WHAT? States have passed dispensary laws and and approve of gross profiteering..my brain hurts more..
California has ASKED the feds to come in and shut down dispensaries..not because the State is trying to get rid of the med law...bu tbecause the dispensaries want to be Amsterdam style coffee houses...
 

bob harris

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The medical marijuana state offices employ less than 25 people, there overhead is very low. It is comparatively one of the most lucrative sectors in MI government.
You really think that if all 16 states "act responsibly," than the feds are going to accept it? California was the first state to turn medical, look how responsibly they have acted over the last 15 years! Looks like they really "ruined it" for everyone else I guess. Except for the fact that there are now 16 medical states. Many of which adopted legislation to allow for disp. and gross profiteering as you like to point out.
http://www.mackinac.org/14328

Here ya go...average state of Michigan employee..$68,000 per year.....wow.I was off...sorry.

Plug that into any scenario you'd like and help me understand "LUCRATIVE" .....or would you argue that the medical mj offices only employ "less than average employees?"

Would you please stop stating ridiculous shit as fact?
 

stumpjumper

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Murph, buddy, I just want to let you know that I saw this and I'm not ignoring you.

It's just that I'm lacking in reading skills, and can't quite make out what you are saying, or if you are asking a question.

Try and get it down to my level, and I promise to respond.

Until then, stay well medicated...
What's so hard to understand... WE THE PEOPLE.
 

bob harris

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What's so hard to understand... WE THE PEOPLE.
The constitution? what's that got to do with it?

Are you getting at the "life,liberty and pursuit of happiness? That's the Declaration of Independence....pretty much another document entirely.

WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....that's the start to the Constitution...you wouldn't like much in the constitution. It outlines the formation of government...provisions for armies and navies...succession of power stuff like that.

You should read it sometime.

I think the liberties and stuff your looking for may be in the Declaration of independence...you know..the 4th of July document. Might wanna bone up on that one to. it guaranties the PURSUIT of things..not the right to have things.

Please..help me out...i though I had a basic understanding of some of our most important national documents.

Sorry, thought everyone knew the difference between the two....
 

Cory and trevor

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The constitution? what's that got to do with it?

Are you getting at the "life,liberty and pursuit of happiness? That's the Declaration of Independence....pretty much another document entirely.

WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....that's the start to the Constitution...you wouldn't like much in the constitution. It outlines the formation of government...provisions for armies and navies...succession of power stuff like that.

You should read it sometime.

I think the liberties and stuff your looking for may be in the Declaration of independence...you know..the 4th of July document. Might wanna bone up on that one to. it guaranties the PURSUIT of things..not the right to have things.

Please..help me out...i though I had a basic understanding of some of our most important national documents.

Sorry, thought everyone knew the difference between the two....
A wise man from Canada once said "Fuck off". I think it was Ricky-traler park boys FTW.
 

stumpjumper

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the problem is

bob. as we the people, if we tell you to paint it titty pink, that's what you do.

do you like it, who gives a fuck. what ever it is you're goin to in all this, i think you're lost.
in a mosh.

out with status quo. it really doesn't matter what you think. soon, most authority figures are gonna find out.

checkmate nothin. next move, GEn X takes over. if we can't have it our way we'll crash this fucker for sure.

think we won't.
Here BOB. For fucks sake.

We the people, you know, the 63% that voted this law in to existence?

If the other 37% doesn't like it, too fucking bad. Majority ruled and it is law.

It's been 3 years and the law still has not been properly implemented. People are getting pissed over the bullshit the state is pulling and there are 2 lawsuits against the state in the works right now.

As Murf says, Next, GenX will be taking over, which you would have no part of because you're obviously a baby boomer. The new gallup poll that showed over 50% of americans are pro legalization just shows it's already happening. The old reefer madness generation is finally dying off. Those old bastards with their unlimited terms in our government are only going to live so much longer, with their seats being filled by a new generation of hopefully more unbiased members.

One way or another things will change, whether it's a fast process or a slow one, but the snow-ball is rolling and it's gotten too big to stop now.

Crash this fucker we shall, wait and see.


That wasn't so hard to figure out now was it Bob?
 

Cory and trevor

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Quick question, can someone tell me what the current legal definition of a plant is? PLEASE KEEP READING before you begin the flaming, what I mean is at what point does a piece of plant material become a plant in the eyes of the law? Is every cutting a plant once it hits rockwool, or does it need roots to be considered a plant? If it were me, and I know it isnt, I would require roots to be considered a plant. As for now wth no clarificaton I count them plants once I cut them and put them in rockwool but I don't think that is right. I could beef up my "plant count" considerably if roots were needed to be a plant. Thoughts, or first hand knowledge welcome, Bob is not LOL :)
 

stumpjumper

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I think it has to have roots to be considered a plant, under our law anyways. Before that though I have heard of them counting each branch hanging as a plant. Police can count whatever they want to as a plant. It will be your attorneys job to prove you only had X amount of actual rooted plants.

I wouldn't want 12 plants and have 12 clones cut and in the beginning stage of rooting as it's obvious intent to root them out.
 

ozzrokk

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-Hey stump humper get this fuck out of here. Bob now you are telling us that it is understandable why the state takes 5 to 7 months to get our card to us?
Ban his ass. I am sick of coming on here and all I see is this fucking cop or whatever the fuck this punk is trying to spread their propaganda. Enough is enough. Get his ass out of here.
 

stumpjumper

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-Hey stump humper get this fuck out of here. Bob now you are telling us that it is understandable why the state takes 5 to 7 months to get our card to us?
Ban his ass. I am sick of coming on here and all I see is this fucking cop or whatever the fuck this punk is trying to spread their propaganda. Enough is enough. Get his ass out of here.
Your going to call me stump "humper" and then ask me for a favor? pffft...

This isn't the MMMA we don't ban people for having an opinion.
 

stems&seeds

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Hey Bob you need to borrow a calculator? First off i already told you there have been nearly 200k applications and renewals. I know I know, everything I say is shit posted as fact as you say. Well actually these numbers are publicly available as most anyone could find out. More importantly how did you determine 300k applicants only nets 3 million? Your math is grossly inaccurate, no surprise there. Do you even have a med card? If so you would know that the application fee is $100, as is the renewal fee. Do the math on that one and come back and tell me the program is losing money. Never said it was lucrative for the employee's of the program, why should it be? Fact is the program is making money.
Stop posting shit as fact you say. That's rather laughable senor, pot calling the kettle black huh? You've not only changed your tune several times, you practically change every one of your posts after someone proves you wrong. Your hypocritical generation is part of the reason this country is where it is today.
 

bob harris

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Here BOB. For fucks sake.

We the people, you know, the 63% that voted this law in to existence?

If the other 37% doesn't like it, too fucking bad. Majority ruled and it is law.

It's been 3 years and the law still has not been properly implemented. People are getting pissed over the bullshit the state is pulling and there are 2 lawsuits against the state in the works right now.

As Murf says, Next, GenX will be taking over, which you would have no part of because you're obviously a baby boomer. The new gallup poll that showed over 50% of americans are pro legalization just shows it's already happening. The old reefer madness generation is finally dying off. Those old bastards with their unlimited terms in our government are only going to live so much longer, with their seats being filled by a new generation of hopefully more unbiased members.

One way or another things will change, whether it's a fast process or a slow one, but the snow-ball is rolling and it's gotten too big to stop now.

Crash this fucker we shall, wait and see.


That wasn't so hard to figure out now was it Bob?
Ok..I get "WE THE PEOPLE" now, thanks for clarifying what you meant.

I read it as you meant we have a Constitutional Right to grow cannabis..or something to that effect....sorry

And yes, 63% voted for this law. It was also the largest voter turnout in Michigan History. That would defiantly show that the younger crowd got to the polls.
As far as being 3 years, and still not properly implemented. No argument..But California's been 15 yaers and hasn't got it smoothed out. Did you really expect Michigan to smooth things out in 3?

Yes, I am a baby boomer..but when I was young..I was gen x also....and your kids will be the new genx..and so forth..

Yes, I am aware that 50% of Americans favor legalization. But I'm not too sure that they understand what legalization would mean. I think what the really want is decriminalization..which would be the right to have small quantities and smoke it without fear of cops.

If they truly got legalization, they would hate the results. Sure, they would be able to purchase and smoke. But production, taxing and pricing would all be controlled..Like liquer or cigarettes Is that what you think Americans want?.

Deregulation would allow anyone to do anything..grow sell, set prices for what they grow..But it will never happen. Messes with Global economics.

I point out these differences..not to split hairs, but to caution "be careful what you ask for, you may get it"

I also agree about the old bastards with un limited terms. Well the unlimited terms part anyhow. Un limited terms it what allowed them to become old bastards. Term Limits? All for that..takes away the pressure to fold to special interest for re election funding. That would be a huge step.

Yes, things will change. usually slowly. I'd love to see things move quicker too, but I'll take slow steady progress.

Finally, 63% of the voters, voted in a law with very limited scope. MEDICAL use of cannabis. A step in the right direction. They didn't vote in a law offering the opportunity for any Tom Dick and Harry, to get a card for his sore knees, and Grow all the weed he wants.

The law was intended to allow people with "chronic (IE: isn't going to get better) and debilitating (ie: prevents daily functioning interfering with the ability to work, or take care of themselves) use cannabis as a MEDICINE to help them overcome those hurdles.

It wasn't intended to allow care givers to spring up all over the place, grow out max crops, and profit wildly. The law does provide for compensation to those care givers. For the work involved in the cultivation of the product. It assumes responsible action on the care giver part. The law does not provide for care giver wages to be based on "risk" markup, or black market pricing.
 

ismokealotofpot

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Quick question, can someone tell me what the current legal definition of a plant is? PLEASE KEEP READING before you begin the flaming, what I mean is at what point does a piece of plant material become a plant in the eyes of the law? Is every cutting a plant once it hits rockwool, or does it need roots to be considered a plant? If it were me, and I know it isnt, I would require roots to be considered a plant. As for now wth no clarificaton I count them plants once I cut them and put them in rockwool but I don't think that is right. I could beef up my "plant count" considerably if roots were needed to be a plant. Thoughts, or first hand knowledge welcome, Bob is not LOL :)
I know a guy who knows a guy who said this guy got busted with a bunch of clones that had no roots he was a card holder. I guess he had 100 or so. They charged him for manufacturing over his limit and tacked on a gun charge because he had a .22 long rifle in a gun sock.They do count a cutting with no roots a plant. All this happened because his kid 17yo got into his meds and got busted by a cop. They say because he didnt lock up his meds he broke the law.
 

bob harris

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Hey Bob you need to borrow a calculator? First off i already told you there have been nearly 200k applications and renewals. I know I know, everything I say is shit posted as fact as you say. Well actually these numbers are publicly available as most anyone could find out. More importantly how did you determine 300k applicants only nets 3 million? Your math is grossly inaccurate, no surprise there. Do you even have a med card? If so you would know that the application fee is $100, as is the renewal fee. Do the math on that one and come back and tell me the program is losing money. Never said it was lucrative for the employee's of the program, why should it be? Fact is the program is making money.
Stop posting shit as fact you say. That's rather laughable senor, pot calling the kettle black huh? You've not only changed your tune several times, you practically change every one of your posts after someone proves you wrong. Your hypocritical generation is part of the reason this country is where it is today.
Yep, one decimal off...30million, not 3. Big difference. I apologize. See I can man up when I make a mistake.

Did some research and you are right again. The program IS profitable for the state. 8 Million profit over 3 years. That, however is FAR from LUCRATIVE in comparison to other programs (lottery makes 750 million a year)

Yes, I have a med card...mine was $25, as that's the price for anyone on SSDI, or that fit into a bunch of other need based discount card programs the State offers. Were you aware of the discount program? Or did.'t you really read the law.

Don't change my posts as you'd like to suggest (after a rebuttal to alter my original content) I'm not hypocritical. hypocritical would be hiding behind the med law, pretending you grow to help others, when in fact your goal is to make easy money.

That may better describe...you
 

bob harris

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I know a guy who knows a guy who said this guy got busted with a bunch of clones that had no roots he was a card holder. I guess he had 100 or so. They charged him for manufacturing over his limit and tacked on a gun charge because he had a .22 long rifle in a gun sock.They do count a cutting with no roots a plant. All this happened because his kid 17yo got into his meds and got busted by a cop. They say because he didnt lock up his meds he broke the law.
It's 100 clones.Rooted or not, that's a clear intent to disregard count laws. Did he think he needed 100, to get 12 to root?
 

bob harris

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-Hey stump humper get this fuck out of here. Bob now you are telling us that it is understandable why the state takes 5 to 7 months to get our card to us?
Ban his ass. I am sick of coming on here and all I see is this fucking cop or whatever the fuck this punk is trying to spread their propaganda. Enough is enough. Get his ass out of here.
Nope, never said that it was reasonable to have to wait 5 to 7 months for a card. Were did you get that?

The State has also acknowledged that fact, and made the "dated paperwork' provision, as they try and catch up. That doesn't work for you?
 

bob harris

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Quick question, can someone tell me what the current legal definition of a plant is? PLEASE KEEP READING before you begin the flaming, what I mean is at what point does a piece of plant material become a plant in the eyes of the law? Is every cutting a plant once it hits rockwool, or does it need roots to be considered a plant? If it were me, and I know it isnt, I would require roots to be considered a plant. As for now wth no clarificaton I count them plants once I cut them and put them in rockwool but I don't think that is right. I could beef up my "plant count" considerably if roots were needed to be a plant. Thoughts, or first hand knowledge welcome, Bob is not LOL :)
At this point there is no clear definition (that I am aware of) that addresses "when is a cutting, a plant".

I take the safe side on that, and count it as a plant as soon as I cut it for cloning.

Just seems logical, that if you have 6 coming down in a couple days, and 6 in veg ready to go to flower, the start 6 figuring that they won't root till the first 6 are harvested, the INTENT as viewed by the state, would be to speed manufacturing.
 
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