Mushrooms and OJ

Doctor Cannabis said:

https://www.rollitup.org/hallucinatory-substances/38799-using-vitamin-c.html

Because of the vit C. Out of personal experience I can say that it raises potency of all shrooms except for Amanita Muscaria. Amanita's effects are lowered because of the sour taste of OJ/vit C.

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Jobo said:

Actually, its none of the above.

The citric acid (vitamin C) breaks the psilocybin into psilocin. The psilocin is what actually makes you trip. When you dont use vitamin C your liver has to do the job.

All the psilocybin being broke into psilocin means that it will hit you quicker and more at once.

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JoeBananas said:

I thought the body did that, not vitamin c.
I would like to know where you heard that Vitamin C breaks O-phosphoryl-4-ho-dmt into 4-ho-dmt? Could you please source your reference, including where in the link the info is located so I dont have to dig for it.

I still think that it is because it is an antioxidant.(1)
Oxidisation breaks down 4-ho-dmt and Vitamin C helps protect that, thus allowing more of the chemical to get absorbed before it breaks down in digestion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_c

In humans, vitamin C is a highly effective antioxidant, acting to lessen oxidative stress; a substrate for ascorbate peroxidase[4]; and an enzyme cofactor for the biosynthesis of many important biochemicals. Vitamin C acts as an electron donor for eight different enzymes:[9]


http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?C=ref&ID=2625

Abstract​

"Purified intestinal alkaline phosphatase has been shown to dephosphorylate Psilocybin to form Psilocin and inorganic phosphate. The present report extends these observations to various mammalian tissue homogenates. The rat and mouse kidney and the intestinal mucosa of rabbits and guinea pigs were active in dephosphorylating Psilocybin."During these studies, it was also observed that with certain tissues the dephosphorylation product, psilocin, underwent oxidation to a blue colored product, similar to that seen with Mytilus edulis gills. Heart and kidney homogenates of all species investigated were highly effective in oxidizing Psilocin. This process was inhibited by KCN but not by MAO inhibitors. Its ph optimum was 8.8. Further studies with a rabbit heart mitochondrial preparation and purified pig heart cytochrome oxidase indicate the latter enzyme to be the active system in the oxidation of Psilocin. These processes may play an important role in the central nervous system actions of these agents."

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Jobo said:

Well i could be wrong, but that exact explanation is what I have been told many times over. Im sorry if my info was wrong.

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JoeBananas said:

I actually thought you where way off and that the body breaking it down was a myth. Till I looked it up and realized I was wrong and it did metabolize it to psilocin.
But that lead me to believe that my theory was closer and decide to post what I read so others may be able to confirm or show me my flaw in thought.

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Jobo said:

All that I really know about psilocin, is that chemically, it is almost exactly the same as serotonin. If you dont know what serotonin is, google it.

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JoeBananas said:

Such excellent information. This is what makes a lot of the tryptamines so magical. I'd give you rep points on this but it says that I had already gave you sum. Great post man.

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