was checking out there web site there outta s.cal and are available at some clubs...i asked the folks at the place where i seen it if they ever grew any out they said no.....thought it was kinda odd they had them for sale but never ran em themselfs.....mc has some other strains up on there site to... mr.burns afghan x e32 arcata trainwreck descendant ... or other tw cross i wouldnd mind trying just to see if its like the tw i remember smokeing back in the day...