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Okay now I am curious. Doer, what do you think of Ayn? cn
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Excuse me? Ayn? Well with that spelling you can only mean Ayn Rand. Why do you ask? Never mind. I think Ayn Rand's basic view is the opposite of mine. I didn't really get Atlas Shrugged. I tried to read some of the other books. I got pretty far in BioShock on Xbox. They say that is Ayn Rand inspired,...very dark game.
But, regardless of the weird and compelling prose, still Objectivism...just another -ism, is not palatable to me, at all. I have written at length in other sub-forums in RIU, on my Self Knowledge of Subjectivity.
So, I do not believe there is an Objective world, at all. Heisenberg's principle says it is not, to me, if nothing else. I believe as Huxley has posited, we each are in individual, survival clamped, sensoriums. Our evolution and pre-verbal, pre-cooridnation experiences are about finding the magnetic edges of reality for the body. At the same time the baby mind is flying in no-thought...in true Self. All experience, but totally controlled experience. This common experience has led to a consensual agreement for Objectivity, but that is constantly changing. We discussed this in Science. By the time we are thinking and talking the hallucination is complete.
Ayn Rand? Hate it. And I think it is quite stupid that it has become a political Jingo for the side that holds the Religious Right. Sure she was anti-communist, and the Ayn Rand Institute is a Conservative think tank these days. But, Objectivity has no view that accepts religion.
We are each so Subjective in actuality, we can hardly even know ourselves, being constantly bullied by our own thought cloud. Fear and self blame.
So, no I'm not an Objectivist, at all. I believe that when I die, if i lose perception of it, this world will cease to exist. It appears to me as if I am calling it into existing for me, with my very Breath....Self Absorbed. That's me.
Rand is bullshit, I think. But, there are always interesting concepts to discuss about it. What say you, cn?
I've been a Che-ist and I guess I still am. That doesn't square with Rand, in my mind.
But, regardless of the weird and compelling prose, still Objectivism...just another -ism, is not palatable to me, at all. I have written at length in other sub-forums in RIU, on my Self Knowledge of Subjectivity.
So, I do not believe there is an Objective world, at all. Heisenberg's principle says it is not, to me, if nothing else. I believe as Huxley has posited, we each are in individual, survival clamped, sensoriums. Our evolution and pre-verbal, pre-cooridnation experiences are about finding the magnetic edges of reality for the body. At the same time the baby mind is flying in no-thought...in true Self. All experience, but totally controlled experience. This common experience has led to a consensual agreement for Objectivity, but that is constantly changing. We discussed this in Science. By the time we are thinking and talking the hallucination is complete.
Ayn Rand? Hate it. And I think it is quite stupid that it has become a political Jingo for the side that holds the Religious Right. Sure she was anti-communist, and the Ayn Rand Institute is a Conservative think tank these days. But, Objectivity has no view that accepts religion.
We are each so Subjective in actuality, we can hardly even know ourselves, being constantly bullied by our own thought cloud. Fear and self blame.
So, no I'm not an Objectivist, at all. I believe that when I die, if i lose perception of it, this world will cease to exist. It appears to me as if I am calling it into existing for me, with my very Breath....Self Absorbed. That's me.
Rand is bullshit, I think. But, there are always interesting concepts to discuss about it. What say you, cn?
I've been a Che-ist and I guess I still am. That doesn't square with Rand, in my mind.
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Join in on more politics threads. There is a wide range of views discussed and I personally am hellbent on destroying the lies that comfort people.
abandonconflict
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Excuse me? Ayn? Well with that spelling you can only mean Ayn Rand. Why do you ask? Never mind. I think Ayn Rand's basic view is the opposite of mine. I didn't really get Atlas Shrugged. I tried to read some of the other books. I got pretty far in BioShock on Xbox. They say that is Ayn Rand inspired,...very dark game.
But, regardless of the weird and compelling prose, still Objectivism...just another -ism, is not palatable to me, at all. I have written at length in other sub-forums in RIU, on my Self Knowledge of Subjectivity.
So, I do not believe there is an Objective world, at all. Heisenberg's principle says it is not, to me, if nothing else. I believe as Huxley has posited, we each are in individual, survival clamped, sensoriums. Our evolution and pre-verbal, pre-cooridnation experiences are about finding the magnetic edges of reality for the body. At the same time the baby mind is flying in no-thought...in true Self. All experience, but totally controlled experience. This common experience has led to a consensual agreement for Objectivity, but that is constantly changing. We discussed this in Science. By the time we are thinking and talking the hallucination is complete.
Ayn Rand? Hate it. And I think it is quite stupid that it has become a political Jingo for the side that holds the Religious Right. Sure she was anti-communist, and the Ayn Rand Institute is a Conservative think tank these days. But, Objectivity has no view that accepts religion.
We are each so Subjective in actuality, we can hardly even know ourselves, being constantly bullied by our own thought cloud. Fear and self blame.
So, no I'm not an Objectivist, at all. I believe that when I die, if i lose perception of it, this world will cease to exist. It appears to me as if I am calling it into existing for me, with my very Breath....Self Absorbed. That's me.
Rand is bullshit, I think. But, there are always interesting concepts to discuss about it. What say you, cn?
I've been a Che-ist and I guess I still am. That doesn't square with Rand, in my mind.
Alright, fair enough. I recall a post of you praising her ideas in a more political way, but this rejection based on your spirituality is sufficient to make me back off from using her name in conjunction with criticism of your views. However, you still vigorously defended the malthusian view, which whether you realize it or not, is the epitome of what is called social darwinism. You say you reject "isms" which sounds cool in reggae songs, but language has a purpose.
So you reject Ayn Rand's spiritual views and I just don't feel like searching for that post where you praised her political and social views. Either way, this is not a spiritual discussion and your relying on right brain thinking (inherently irrational) in guiding you, which is probably why you support Israel, since they are guided in much the same spiritual way apparently.
Don't worry, I will still criticize you.
You said that in this thread by the way.
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