MG Def??? plz help

XxK2xX

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hey guys please tell me what this is and a cure.. Its started about a week ago maybe week and a half started with older leaes in the middle of the plant and went to the lowers. starts of little brown spots (shown in pic) then evntually yellows up and dies off. i dont want this to take over plz help!! these are double diesel ryders (autos) in FFOF soil...
 

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XxK2xX

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thanks for stopping by yes i was looking at your thread... i might post this in general section maybe i think we might get more hits there...
 

XxK2xX

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Jus flushed them last night..No should i be? Calmag might be out of the picture the hydro shop is so far from me.. using distilled Ph is 6.5~7.0 but run off seems slightly lower?? 5.0~6.5?? Only have pool test kit not 100% accurate..
 

Snow Crash

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Definitely a Cal-Mag problem. You can get some dolomite lime at a garden store. And if you can go online you can order anything you need to your door.

Looks like there might be a slight Potassium issue going on also.
 

XxK2xX

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Thanks, yes thats what I was thinking calmag prob after all the searching i went thru. As far as the dolomite i cant use that now can I? I always thaught u had to mix that with your soil . As far as the epson how much should i use and when do i use every watering every other or just once? These are autos and have aprx 4~5 wks left if this doesnt take over.
 

Snow Crash

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You can top dress the soil any time with dolomite lime. Just water through it. I suggest against Epsom salt as there is 50% more Sulfur than Magnesium and it can induce a sulfur toxicity or salt precipitates.
 

XxK2xX

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Ok so just put dolomite lime on top of soil and the cal mag prob fixed?? Also it has to be dolomite lime correct? Not lawn lime..??
 

Snow Crash

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Get the dolomite. Lawn products stay on the lawn.

It's going to start to help the problem. Calcium isn't exceptionally mobile in the plant. Just concentrate on taking steps in the right direction. Don't try to overdose one way or another. Slow and steady wins the race. Add a spoon full of the lime to the top of the soil and then water through it. Do this 3 or 4 times in a row, and then begin alternating without the lime. If you keep the pH in check this is going to help keep all your new growth healthy and happy. In 2 or 3 weeks you should be in really good shape again.

Of course let us know how it turns out!
 

THE GAME

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hey guys please tell me what this is and a cure.. Its started about a week ago maybe week and a half started with older leaes in the middle of the plant and went to the lowers. starts of little brown spots (shown in pic) then evntually yellows up and dies off. i dont want this to take over plz help!! these are double diesel ryders (autos) in FFOF soil...




Magnesium (Mg) - Micronutrient and Mobile Element


Magnesium helps supports healthy veins while keeping a healthy leaf production and its structure. Magnesium is significant for chlorophyll-production and enzyme break downs. Magnesium which must be present in relatively large quantities for the plant to survive, but yet not to much to where it will cause the plant to show a toxicity.


Magnesium is one of the easiest deficiencies to tell… the green veins along with the yellowness of the entire surrounding leave is a dead giveaway, but sometimes that’s not always the case here. In case you have one of those where it doesn’t show the green veins, sometimes leaf tips and edges may discolor and curl upward. The growing tips can turn lime green when the deficiency progresses to the top of the plant. The edges will feel like dry and crispy and usually affects the lower leaves in younger plants, then will affect the middle to upper half when it gets older, but It can also happen on older leaves as well. The deficiency will start at the tip then will take over the entire outer left and right sides of the leaves. The inner part will be yellow and or brownish in color, followed by leaves falling without withering. The tips can also twist and turn as well as curving upwards as if you curl your tongues.


Excessive levels of magnesium in your plants will exhibit a buildup of toxic salts that will kill the leaves and lock out other nutrients like Calcium (Ca). Mg can get locked out by having too much Calcium, Chlorine or ammonium in your soil/water.
One of the worst problems a person can have is a magnesium def caused by a ph lockout. By giving it more magnesium to cure the problem when you are thinking you are doing good, but actually you are doing more harm then good. When the plants can’t take in a nutrient because of the ph being off for that element, the plant will not absorb it but it will be in the soil… therefore causing a buildup. A buildup will be noticed by the outer parts of the plant becoming whitish and or a yellowish color. The tips and part way in on the inner leaves will die and feel like glass. Parts affected by Magnesium deficiency are: space between the veins (Interveinal) of older leaves; may begin around interior perimeter of leaf.




Problems with Magnesium being locked out by PH troubles

Light Acid Soils, soils with excessive potassium, calcium and or phosphorus


Soil

Magnesium gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-6.4
Magnesium is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.5-9.1 . (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Magnesium deficiency.



Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Magnesium gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0-5.7
Magnesium is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 5.8-9.1
(Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Magnesium deficiency.



Solution to fixing a Magnesium deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have Magnesium in them will fix a Magnesium deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients or it will cause nutrient burn!)
Other nutrients that have magnesium in them are: Epsom salts, which is fast absorption. Dolomite lime and or garden lime (same thing just called different) which is slow absorption. Sulfate of Potash, Magnesia which is medium absorption. Worm Castings, which is slow absorption. Crabshell which is slow absorption. Earth Juice Mircoblast, which is fast acting. (a must buy!! Has lots of 2ndary nutrients).
Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.

(info from another good source).
 

bekindbud

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Nice info Game, also just to add about flushing, I did my first flushing this past sunday, its a good idea to catch the run-off water when flushing so you can test it to see whats going on in there. Good luck.
 
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