Mammoth P and Teas

Tyleb173rd

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Has anyone tried this with success or remarkable improvement in microbial life? Are they better used separately? The Mammoth P was gifted so I'd like to get the most out of it. I'm an Organic, Soil and pure water guy. I use teas in VEG and Super Soil for flower.

Thanks
 

greg nr

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I'm pretty much the same. I use super soil in SIP containers and mostly just use teas as a topfeed once in a while. I add mammoth p and recharge to everything. Some will argue it doesn't help, but it certainly won't hurt a healthy grow.

And yes, it does seem to make the plants happier then they are without it.
 

Tyleb173rd

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I'm pretty much the same. I use super soil in SIP containers and mostly just use teas as a topfeed once in a while. I add mammoth p and recharge to everything. Some will argue it doesn't help, but it certainly won't hurt a healthy grow.

And yes, it does seem to make the plants happier then they are without it.
Thank you sir . Do you add it before the brew?
 

greg nr

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Thank you sir . Do you add it before the brew?
No, after. The recharge goes in before. I heard the chemist for mammoth p on an interview saying it's best to add if after you aerate. He wasn't clear on why, but I got the sense it throws his microbe balance way off.

Of course the problem with adding magic pixie dust is you never really know how much (or if) it's helping, but you can tell if it hurts. It's not hurtin nuttin. And as I said, I think it's helping. But that isn't a scientific measurement, just a growers hunch.

I had to add that last part lest the wrath of the good doctor would befall me. ;)
 

green_machine_two9er

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I'm pretty much the same. I use super soil in SIP containers and mostly just use teas as a topfeed once in a while. I add mammoth p and recharge to everything. Some will argue it doesn't help, but it certainly won't hurt a healthy grow.

And yes, it does seem to make the plants happier then they are without it.
Are you bottom watering your sip pots or have irrigation. I had great success with fabric pots in perlite last round. Just watered the perlite which was in s pool. Wondering if people reuse perlite after used this way.
 

greg nr

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My SIP containers have a 4 gallon res, and I just add plain tap water along with mamoth p to that. When I brew a tea, I water it from the top through a layer of worm castings.

A little of a footing in each world. If I'm not traveling, I usually fill the res half full and let it dry out before refilling. I usually top water every 10 days to 2 weeks.

The thing I love about this system is that if I have to go out of town for the week, I fill the res and my plants will be happy when I get back. They will last 7 days with no stress. More if I lower the light output and cover the soil.

I've actually found my plants do better without me. ;)

Here is current grow week one of flower (Ninja Fruit)....
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Tyleb173rd

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No, after. The recharge goes in before. I heard the chemist for mammoth p on an interview saying it's best to add if after you aerate. He wasn't clear on why, but I got the sense it throws his microbe balance way off.

Of course the problem with adding magic pixie dust is you never really know how much (or if) it's helping, but you can tell if it hurts. It's not hurtin nuttin. And as I said, I think it's helping. But that isn't a scientific measurement, just a growers hunch.

I had to add that last part lest the wrath of the good doctor would befall me. ;)
Thank you sir
 

MistaRasta

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Has anyone tried this with success or remarkable improvement in microbial life? Are they better used separately? The Mammoth P was gifted so I'd like to get the most out of it. I'm an Organic, Soil and pure water guy. I use teas in VEG and Super Soil for flower.

Thanks
Heres a link to an expirement of 4 different tests using Mammoth P in compost teas to increase microbial populations by Tad Hussey at KIS Organics. Pretty cool stuff..

https://www.kisorganics.com/blogs/news/how-to-maximize-your-mammoth-p-application

It's all on the link but the tests are as follows:

1. Mammoth P + distilled water

2. Mammoth P + distilled water + unsulfured blackstrap molasses

3. Mammoth P + distilled water + organic alfalfa meal

4. Mammoth P + distilled water + KIS Organic Microbe Catalyst

HTH
 

tpc_mikey

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I as well use mammoth p and recharge and just started doing it have always had the recharge in my regiment but finally bit the bullet and bought the mammoth p and started using it week before my current batch went into flower, Here they are on day 45, they have had some cal/mag issues but i definately notice with this set of clones my tric production is way better.
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Jahworks

Member
Also, it would be wise to check the material data sheet registered at the state. You will find that it contains synthetic plant hormones and Polyacrylamide (which contains small amounts of acrylamide, a known neurotoxin) Not sure about adding synthetic plant hormones into my grows or small amounts of known neurotoxins. KEEP IT NATURAL FOLKS! :) The data I have found is posted below:


As of: 9/25/2017

Product Name:
Mammoth P Hydro to Soil / University Tested / Bloom Enhancer / Active Microbial Nutrient Liberator
OMRI Listed: No WSDA Organic Program Listed: No CDFA Listed OIM: No

Registrant: GROWCENTIA - FORT COLLINS, CO (970) 818-3321

Heavy Metals (in Parts Per Million)
Arsenic:
0.005 Cadmium: < 0.005 Mercury: < 0.001 Lead: < 0.005 Nickel: 0.00863


Non Plant Food Ingredients

Humic Acid

Indole3 Butyric Acid

Naphthaleneacetic Acid

Phosphorous Acid

Kelp

Vitamin B1

Polyacrylamide

Potting Mix

Microbial(s) Pseudomonas putida - 20,000,000 cfu/ml
Comamonas testosteroni - 40,000,000 cfu/ml
Citrobacter freundii - 60,000,000 cfu/ml
Enterobacter cloacae - 80,000,000 cfu/ml
 

Jahworks

Member
Not such a great read when it was put together by the founders and equity partners of Mammoth P.... contains alot of great info, but as to the product itself, not so much. Where is the info about the synthetic plant hormones they are putting in it? It is exactly like Gravity which was eventually banned due to health concerns about the product... in fact, they didn't list what was in it either until they were forced to prodie the info which then caused an immediate cease and decist on the sale of that product. Wake up people! Do not get excited about lab produced products. They take advantage of the loopholes that exist currently in the fertilizer market and put peoples health at risk.! Sheeple.... :wall::wall:

"Additional Information and Declarations
Competing Interests


Colin Bell and Matthew Wallenstein are co-inventors of the patent-pending technology tested herein. Matthew Wallenstein, Richard Conant, Peter Baas and Lauren Mancini consult for Growcentia Inc. Matthew Wallenstein, Richard Conant and Colin Bell have an equity interest in Growcentia, Inc.



Author Contributions
Peter Baas conceived and designed the experiments, performed the experiments, analyzed the data, wrote the paper, prepared figures and/or tables.

Colin Bell conceived and designed the experiments, performed the experiments, contributed reagents/materials/analysis tools, reviewed drafts of the paper.

Lauren M Manciniand and Melanie Lee performed the experiments, analyzed the data, reviewed drafts of the paper.

Richard T Conant and Matthew D. Wallenstein conceived and designed the experiments, contributed reagents/materials/analysis tools, reviewed drafts of the paper."
 

MMJ Dreaming 99

Well-Known Member
Not such a great read when it was put together by the founders and equity partners of Mammoth P.... contains alot of great info, but as to the product itself, not so much. Where is the info about the synthetic plant hormones they are putting in it? It is exactly like Gravity which was eventually banned due to health concerns about the product... in fact, they didn't list what was in it either until they were forced to prodie the info which then caused an immediate cease and decist on the sale of that product. Wake up people! Do not get excited about lab produced products. They take advantage of the loopholes that exist currently in the fertilizer market and put peoples health at risk.! Sheeple.... :wall::wall:

"Additional Information and Declarations
Competing Interests


Colin Bell and Matthew Wallenstein are co-inventors of the patent-pending technology tested herein. Matthew Wallenstein, Richard Conant, Peter Baas and Lauren Mancini consult for Growcentia Inc. Matthew Wallenstein, Richard Conant and Colin Bell have an equity interest in Growcentia, Inc.



Author Contributions
Peter Baas conceived and designed the experiments, performed the experiments, analyzed the data, wrote the paper, prepared figures and/or tables.

Colin Bell conceived and designed the experiments, performed the experiments, contributed reagents/materials/analysis tools, reviewed drafts of the paper.

Lauren M Manciniand and Melanie Lee performed the experiments, analyzed the data, reviewed drafts of the paper.

Richard T Conant and Matthew D. Wallenstein conceived and designed the experiments, contributed reagents/materials/analysis tools, reviewed drafts of the paper."
GrowMau5 did a youtube video recently where he tested Mammoth P against a cheaper competitor and it was pretty much a draw. Factoring in Mammoth pull a bit more but is more expensive.

Does this other product have less heavy metals?

Photosynthesis +?

Why are Mammoth buds so hairy?
 

Jahworks

Member
GrowMau5 did a youtube video recently where he tested Mammoth P against a cheaper competitor and it was pretty much a draw. Factoring in Mammoth pull a bit more but is more expensive.

Does this other product have less heavy metals?

Photosynthesis +?

Why are Mammoth buds so hairy?

Good question really...let me see what I can find.
 

Jahworks

Member
Looks like they have the same poison as Mammoth P with more heavy metals.... Strange to see the same formula being used here.. Maybe all these type of products that are produced on such a large scale include these plant hormones? I would like to find out more info if somebody has more to share. It would be very disappointing to know that all these type products that are lab made contain synthetic hormones in them.


As of: 9/25/2017
Product Name:
0-0.5-0.09 Photosynthesis Plus-O
OMRI Listed: No WSDA Organic Program Listed: No CDFA Listed OIM: No
Product StatusBrand NameWaste DerivedPesticide
Registered Microbe Life Hydroponics No No
Registrant: ECOLOGICAL LABORATORIES INC - MALVERNE, NY (800) 645-2976
Heavy Metals (in Parts Per Million)
Arsenic:
< 0.010 Cadmium: < 0.005 Mercury: < 0.0002 Lead: < 0.010 Nickel: < 0.040
Guaranteed Analysis
Total Nitrogen: Avail. Phosphate:
0.5% Sol. Potash: 0.09%
Calcium: Magnesium: Sulfur:
Boron:Chlorine:Cobalt:
Copper:Iron:Manganese:
Molybdenum: Sodium:Zinc:
Non Plant Food Ingredients

Humic Acid

Indole3 Butyric Acid

Naphthaleneacetic Acid

Phosphorous Acid

Kelp Vitamin B1

Polyacrylamide

Potting Mix

Microbial(s) Bacillus amyloliquefaciens 1.0 x 10^7 cfu/ml
Bacillus licheniformis 5.0 x 10^6 cfu/ml
Bacillus megaterium 2.5 x 10^5 cfu/ml
Bacillus subtilis 5.0 x 10^6 cfu/ml
Rhodopseudomonas palustris 8.5 x 10^4 cfu/ml
Rhodospirillum rubrum 2.0 x 10^4 cfu/ml
Glomus aggregatum 0.9296 propagules/ml
Glomus etunicatum 0.9296 propagules/ml
Glomus intraradices 0.9296 propagules/ml
Glomus mosseae 0.9296 propagules/ml
Pisolithus tinctorious 371,875 propagules/ml
Rhizopogon villosulus 92.968 propagules/ml
Rhizopogon amylopogon 92.968 propagules/ml
Rhizopogon fulvigleba 92.968 propagules/ml
Rhizopogon luteolus 92.968 propagules/ml
Scleroderma cepa 186.718 propagules/ml
Scleroderma citrinum 186.718 propagules/ml
 
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Jahworks

Member
Ok. After calling Mammoth P, they are saying there are no other ingredients being used and that the listing info at the state is wrong. So there you have it, either the state info is wrong or Mammoth P is not being fully open. I hope this post makes us all more aware of the possibilities that may exist when these "new" save all products come out. I think I will hedge my bets on products that are wildcrafted from the earth. There are just too many unnatural variables with lab produced or synthetic type products. I don't know why, but I must have a certain bone to pick with the whole mass produced fertilizer market. Too many times have I seen products come and go in the name of bigger yields, all of them seeming to fall due to using banned ingredients. My .02 Bless up all the natural growers out there!
 
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