Male selection and everything related

greenghost420

greenghost420

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Hello,hows it going fellow rollituppers! creating this thread to journal my selection process. also to invite anyone who keeps males or harvests pollen. enjoy and hope we learn something:eyesmoke:
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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so far im going through 4 cherry puff males, 2 banana puff males,and 3 gsc dudes. got them flowering for about 2 weeks, start of week 3. be back with some pics of them soon.
 
thump easy

thump easy

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man its gona be hard gee i been asking for help but i think some people think of us like threats one cat from a crew i wont say who actualy helped me gave me advice on how to preserve the pollen and know that i think about it i say to him THANK YOU.. AND IN MY BOOK YOU ARE THE BETTER MAN!!!! good luck gee
 
thump easy

thump easy

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ill tell you what from what i hear they pic the most stout plant as i read but lets do something jot dont the leaf structure and the hight and i want you to test two clones of two or three clones with the diffrent males and save all of them untill you see the off spring i will also do the same i got plenty of work infront of me as far as a real journal ill begin to find out what it is these guys are doing lets take it to another level lets see if the males are no good or the females and also cross with other plants to see what the males hold??? and i will share my findings with you????
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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well fuck we are a threat, big one to fools cutting corners and putting out trash. i think theres one breeder that you hear more good than bad. everyone else has mad haters. its gonna be real hard to hate how im gonna please the masses! :D was just reading up on backcrossing and cubing n shit. shit, if i was in cali i could go get some elite clones and cross to each other like most seed companys do. best part is they charge 10 bux a bean. its gonna be alot of work to get shit done properly but i aint got shit to do lol

so im just gonna read a few book, do some trial and error. play around with some pollen and then.....EXPLODE LIKE NITRO AND DYNAMITE STICKS,SMOKE HYDRO ROCK DIAMONDS THATS SICK,TAKE TRIPS TO CALI TRY THAT LEMONADE SHIT,....;)
 
thump easy

thump easy

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ill send you seed bro just wait i dont want to go over my numbers and i got haters of all kinds lazy basterds trying to come up and if they dont they threaten to call the cops so im alway on my number game if that wasnt the case i blow the hole fucken house up gee.. but i cant so i just slowly creep its fucked up that even your friends will turn on you and the sad part is you helped them as if they helped you.. not all but the great percentage it gets hairy if it gets hair in the real world man this is just as bad or worse.. so just keep tooting along and slow and easy is the way i want to do it but im not shure i can do the seed thing what i know i dam well can do is the cup gee i smash homie i smash all day long my shit hits top shelf all day long and it runs out in a mater of days hours sometimes gee i know i got it.. but the seed game im scared i dont want someone to invest all the money on a grow and my shit just fuck them over thats why i rather do fem seeds and if they are smart enough they can pull down a good one.. but ill be following you for shure...
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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ill fem that lemonade for you if you dont want too lol . shit fem all your cuts like everyone else does. you got quality people will pay for. fem beans are totally different than actually breeding generations for stability and uniformity. i feel that shit about fucking someones whole shit up! but huge grows like that have to pheno hunt before going large. you said it yourself, how many times you get something that was fake or renamed what it wasnt. shit wouldnt be like that if you just went and got some femmed "thumps pink lemonade" lol but they gotta be good quality fem joints, i was just reading how to test if your strain is true breeding to make stable fems. i gotta read that again. imagine if you win the cup, everyone wants that shit! gotta give em what they want homie...:D
 
thump easy

thump easy

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not all gee when it comes to numbers its a mother fucker sometimes some of my budies have emergencies and order 200 clones and fill it up and they get fucked at these despenceries thier is a clone guy that doesnt run genetics he just stocks what ever and grabs beens and mothers and throws them out two buddies lost big time lolz also called clone queen and thier shit sucked again they failed with herms two diffrent spots lolz i been dum as well and i know many people see months go by before clones come out or mothers are built up most places wont fill big orders its all crazzy to explain but it happends and i dont want mis fortune to happen to anyone even if their cock suckers and they deserve it NO WAY GEE I DONT WANT TO.. i could name a few strains and packs that sucked but i might run into the breeders at these compititions so i wont say but its happend for realz..
 
thump easy

thump easy

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HERMS HAPPEND AND IF YOUR A GOOD GROWER IT HAPPENDS AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GROW AROUND IT. but its best if it doesnt go down.. gee
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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thats why i dont mind running a few seeds, find that keeper then i create my own clone only shit that i can fem and stabilize. you can do the right thing all you want but middle men will make you look bad scamming people! im not trying to send shit into a seedbank either, ill figure out how to do hand to hands on the net lol cant slip on quality control!
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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well i had to kill off all my males due to needing secrecy and having to hide the garden. one male is alive that i forgot was cloned. a gsc male. waiting to sex my mendodawg and cherry puff for males and fems. shall we start again!:hump: also will loof for males in my own created seedstock. find some males in the f2s , then we move on to f3s or bxs :D
 
OGEvilgenius

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Male selection - always an interesting subject.

From everything I've read, it seems that the only real way to know what your males bring to the table is to grow out the crosses.

Of course, the visible traits will tell you something too - and of course you can get the males tested in a lab as well. I don't really recommend trying to do this yourself. I've seen threads about using some basic chemical analysis. I forget the chemicals used but you take a small tissue sample and then do some tests - but basically it's unreliable because you need to ensure the tissue sample is the same width every time. GCG is the best method and if you're in a legal state you should have access. I'd take advantage if you're serious about it as it can and will save you a shit load of time and money in your selection process.

Also, try to avoid 1:1 crosses. Most folks do this. It is not the correct strategy unless you are seriously limited in space.

Chimera's hybrids all contain multiple male and female plants - obviously he choose the ones which best represented the intended goals. Just an example. I'd be surprised if Simon from Serious used 1:1 hybrids as well.

Basically this is done to avoid genetic bottlenecking. It can also help to lower the incidence of bad recessive traits showing up significantly as well.
 
MrEDuck

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OGEvilgenius said:
Male selection - always an interesting subject.

From everything I've read, it seems that the only real way to know what your males bring to the table is to grow out the crosses.

Of course, the visible traits will tell you something too - and of course you can get the males tested in a lab as well. I don't really recommend trying to do this yourself. I've seen threads about using some basic chemical analysis. I forget the chemicals used but you take a small tissue sample and then do some tests - but basically it's unreliable because you need to ensure the tissue sample is the same width every time. GCG is the best method and if you're in a legal state you should have access. I'd take advantage if you're serious about it as it can and will save you a shit load of time and money in your selection process.

Also, try to avoid 1:1 crosses. Most folks do this. It is not the correct strategy unless you are seriously limited in space.

Chimera's hybrids all contain multiple male and female plants - obviously he choose the ones which best represented the intended goals. Just an example. I'd be surprised if Simon from Serious used 1:1 hybrids as well.

Basically this is done to avoid genetic bottlenecking. It can also help to lower the incidence of bad recessive traits showing up significantly as well.
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In a sense they do. They just use several plants to come up with their parents before stabilizing and crossing.
If you have access to analysis then you can probably cut down trial and error but for most of us using males means doing it the old fashioned way and selecting by pollinating known mothers and evaluating the offspring.
I'm planning on soley working with fems unless there is a major chabge in legal status and I get major venture capital.
 
Galvatron

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Theres two schools of thought when it comes to male selections. Some people say to pick the strongest male and the opposite say to choose a male that's not too dominant. They say that the reason why theres so many hermies with the new breeders is because the male is too dominant. I'm not sure if it's correct but it's a interesting concept. The breeder for blueberry was the one who came up with this hypothesis.

I'm also working on some lines myself, one is a og kush regular inbred line. Another is a almost pure indica line using the bubba x affie x afghan and the last is a high yielding sativa dominant using Hawaiian, Thai and California genetics. Also trying to do a high yielding gsc cross but that's low priority right now. I'm furthest along on my og kush project I've just germed some f2s tonight to see what comes out. The base of my kush project is the fire og kush cut and the face off cut. The sativa project is also in the f2 but I havent popped any of them yet.
 
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