making honey oil with co2 instead of buetain

Discussion in 'Harvesting And Curing' started by crazy7605150, Jan 11, 2010.

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    crazy7605150

    crazy7605150 Well-Known Member

    well i want to make some honey oil and last time i did that i did it with buetain and almost cought some shit on fire... was thinking if co2 would work.. they have the same characteristics as far as being under pressure and cold when u use it. its liquid in concentrated form yet gas. and it evaperates away at room temp... would this be a new cheaper way of making safer honey oil??
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    try it to see if it works then report back. how do you plant on releasing it? regulator? using a paint ball tank?
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    Kreyonic

    Kreyonic Active Member

    I dont think this will work. The reason being, buetane comes out close to a liquid form when used. When breaks the trics off the stalks and pulls them to the bottom for oil making. Co2 is a gas, and always will remain a gas. This gas will not take the trics off it will only freeze your herb. Yes its possible for u to then knock off the trics urself but if your going to do that you might as well just make the hash the old fashion way without wasting Co2 on it. Use the Co2 for growing, it will help more.
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    your not 100% right here c02 can become a liquid in the right conditions in fact while it is compressed in the cylinder it is very near being liquid, second butane is a gas. gasses can be compressed into liquids as is the case with butane, propane, natural gas, nitrogen gas, and pretty much all gas has a liquid and gaseous state. solid states are also possible with gasses just not acheivable in this atmosphere, temperatures of 0 kelvins where all matter ceases movement everything would condense to solids. But all of this is beside the point I think he should try his idea freezing causes moisture and oil to be squeezed out of plant matter maybe it will freeze and he will get a bunch or dry ice but after it thaws it is very possible that the oil will condense and drip from the leaves thus serving the purpose he is trying to achieve which is extraction. with out the nasty by products and possible explosions. I say try it man and tell us how it goes.
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    Kreyonic

    Kreyonic Active Member

    Dont try it. You will waste the product your using. Unless you can tell us all how to make Co2 into a liquid without it being compressed. It is a liquid because the gas has been compressed enough to remove the gasseous effect and make into a liquid. When you release the pressure it evaporates into a gas and into the air. Have you ever worked with it? I have and it evaporates at temps above 50f. Think about it. Dry ice is mostly Co2. When you thaw dry ice do you get water? No you get vapors. THC doesnt drip either, its too thick. Thats why you need something that is heavy enough and volatile enough to break off the stalks and THC heads such as an evaporatable liquid. Which is why people use buetane or different kinds of alcohol. Im not an expert but Im pretty sure what I am stating is correct. If I am wrong tho, Im sorry. Please elaborate on how I am wrong tho. Thanks
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    asdfva

    asdfva Well-Known Member

    The real issue here is that the resin glands of cannabis
    are not soluble in C02. They ARE soluble in butane.

    Them's the rules.
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    look you can use your freeze to extract resin from buds, after the dry ice thaws a lot of resin will not be in the plant matter any longer if he then washes it with a grain alcohol which resin is soluble in he can then evaporate the alcohol and get honey oil, its not exactly like what he was trying to do but its still less dangerous butane gas is a lot more volatile then ethanol, and some of the additives they put in butane are pretty nasty I dont know about you but I don't like smoking petroleum products, I believe that you are right about resin not being soluble in co2 and thats because co2 is not even a solvent, but I still think it could be useful in some process of resin extraction.
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    tea tree

    tea tree Well-Known Member

    lol, i was gonna say something there, SOLUBILITY!, not because or just because trichs break. Thc is soluble in butane. Very soluble, that is why it is used over the alcohol which is very easy but not near as good. That being said I dont know what kind of things are soluble in CO2.

    Hey on the learning channel this scientist working with light and shit kept a plant as a decoration inside a upside down bell jar. Lol, pretty funny. I think he was just supposed to blow inside it while he was working at his desk every few hours. 1800 novelty gag I think.


    Have fun.

    Ever made kief?
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    svchop889

    svchop889 Well-Known Member

    alcohol isnt used because it doesn't get as much of the resin maybe if the resin was forced out by the cold co2 and dry ice then washed with alcohol it would be just as efficient but maybe cold alcohol would do the same thing, cooled to sub 0 degrees then warmed slowly to 200 then back to -0 then up to 300 to evaporate the alcohol out,
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    tea tree

    tea tree Well-Known Member

    time for bubble bags

    :)
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    BlueFish

    BlueFish Active Member

    CO2 is a gas, Butane will be a liquid when used. You can't dissolve into a gas at any appreciable rate.

    Your assumption that CO2 can be used instead of Butane because they're both cold is like saying my desk is the same thing as a turn of the century roller coaster because they're both made of wood.
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    asdfva

    asdfva Well-Known Member

    I know!

    [​IMG]

    Let's put toilet water on it!
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    Mr. StankyFingas

    Mr. StankyFingas Member

    Whether not it's a liquid has absolutely NOTHING to do with it... CO2 is not a solvent.
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    BlueFish

    BlueFish Active Member

    You're actually exactly wrong, Mr. StankyFingas. Not only can gasses not dissolve anything except other gasses, but CO2 is an excellent solvent under the right conditions (in liquid form at relatively high temperatures for something that's normally a gas).

    If you don't believe me about gasses not being able to dissolve liquids and solids, think about why boiling a mixture is such an effective method of removing its constituent parts.
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    joint venture

    joint venture Member

    Making Honey oil by CO2 is the best means by far and the extract is practicaly 99 % efficient.... The method imployed is called supercritical fluid extraction . the thc crystals are composed of carbon and hydrogen and therefore a lot more soluble in co2 than all other solvents...the only draw back the equipment is fricken expensive....
    cheers JV
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    BL0TT0

    BL0TT0 New Member

    It's called polarity.
    THC is polar.
    Alcohol is semi-polar meaning it will work for extraction reasons.
    Butane, and Hexane are Non-polar. Meaning it bonds to the THC pulling it out of the plant.
    Butane will get atleast 80%, while evaporating 99.9% of the butane leaving you an almost pure product.
    Alcohol will get atleast 60%, and evaporate at 99.9% as well, but sincei it is semi-polar brings out a lot of chlorophyll too making it black instead of the famous honey color like butane.
    CO2 it turns out is non polar, but only liquid under pressure so I would be interested in finding out the extraction method.
    Good luck with that one!
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    stonedmetalhead1

    stonedmetalhead1 Well-Known Member

    People have been using CO2 to make hash for a while now. You can get CO2 canisters with extraction tubes for filling your own CO2 canisters for paintball. This allows you to use the liquid CO2 as a solvent for your resin. Again, people have been using this method for a while it is definitely doable.
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    stonedmetalhead1

    stonedmetalhead1 Well-Known Member

    I don't think you understand how ironic and hilarious your post is.
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    joint venture

    joint venture Member

    little bit tricky to start with but i am starting to get the hang of it and some good results.... being in the seed bussiness i have had a lot of vegie matter to play with....
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    fall3n

    fall3n Member

    Flip the tank up side down. The liquid rests at the bottom.

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