Looking for a book ....does anyone know if it exist/title of it

hi

i have trouble with main stream religions all the writing are tuned to impart someone else view on something and we are to accept it as the word of god

at this point and time i have covered most of the religions in the world doing some studying on it .......now i am asking does anyone know of a book that is of just facts no view points just history/facts/truths on the bible

as i understand it the koran is a messed up book it does have some of the first property laws for women but it also has alot of hate for ppl that do not live by their rules 3 of the major sect 2 of them are peaceful

as i understand the torah it is pretty scarey ...god gets bored and makes bets with the devil over the nature of humans ...really easy to piss him/her off / this is where the meaning of wrath of god comes from ...tho god can be cool if u are doing the right thing

as i understand the bible .......it is all based off love and forgiveness but with the different sects of followers u get conflicting info ...where one reads it this way another takes it as this...... all due to the wording of some person from 2000/1800/1700 years ago (part that really gets me is the church has admitted to altering/hiding info that deals with this whole subject but no one is demanding the truth to the whole thing)

so i figure someone out there thought like this (as with the age of the universe and way thinking works all original thoughts have been thought .......now it just rethinking with a different action coming from the thought playing out all possibilities in life)

no feed back at all
damn i was really hoping someone knew what it was called .......i knew of some sects in the 1000-1200 that thought this way and they actually out debated and had a greater understanding of the bible but they were called hieratic and kilt /all their stuff taken by the roman church

oh well guess back to piecing things together

just so this posting does not go to waste i have a ? to pose

ok god/jesus same guys different bodies .........even factoring in the idea of free will .....did not Jesus see this was going to happen ......teaching and all would be altered twisted over time so why not Write it down himself and have ppl copy it like they do the Torah

I bet you can find all the answers your looking for @ the Vatican's library. I wish I can break into it.

Hi Justugh, sorry I don't have a title to refer you to but was wondering if you had ever studied the teachings of Zoroaster? You may find a group called the Cathars
of interest as well. If I remember correctly the Cathars had beliefs that went back to Zoroaster. Zoroaster was a priest (one of the magi) in ancient Iran. His teachings actually became the leading belief system in the ancient world for a time. All major current belief systems and disciplines have adopted parts of his teachings. The Cathars were even believed to be such a significant threat to the Catholic church that the pope ordered them exterminated with prejudice along with anyone who gave them aid. By the way the Cathars believed peace and spiritual growth was a good thing.

Sorry I couldn't provide what you asked for but maybe what I did offer can lead you down helpful paths.

Best wishes

justugh said:

hi

i have trouble with main stream religions all the writing are tuned to impart someone else view on something and we are to accept it as the word of god

at this point and time i have covered most of the religions in the world doing some studying on it .......now i am asking does anyone know of a book that is of just facts no view points just history/facts/truths on the bible

as i understand it the koran is a messed up book it does have some of the first property laws for women but it also has alot of hate for ppl that do not live by their rules 3 of the major sect 2 of them are peaceful

as i understand the torah it is pretty scarey ...god gets bored and makes bets with the devil over the nature of humans ...really easy to piss him/her off / this is where the meaning of wrath of god comes from ...tho god can be cool if u are doing the right thing

as i understand the bible .......it is all based off love and forgiveness but with the different sects of followers u get conflicting info ...where one reads it this way another takes it as this...... all due to the wording of some person from 2000/1800/1700 years ago (part that really gets me is the church has admitted to altering/hiding info that deals with this whole subject but no one is demanding the truth to the whole thing)

so i figure someone out there thought like this (as with the age of the universe and way thinking works all original thoughts have been thought .......now it just rethinking with a different action coming from the thought playing out all possibilities in life)

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I would highly recommend "God Against the Gods" by Jonathan Kirsch.
If you want to better understand the torah, the new testament or the Quran I can help you with that, just give me a quote and I will give you my opinion, here from the Quran "whoever comes against Allah and his apostle shall be crucified or murdered or they shall have there hand and foot removed on opposite sides, this shall be a grievous chastisement in this life and the next". I'm going by memory that might not be the exact quote. What you have to understand is that Muhammad is under tremendous pressure from the opposing forces, he is trying to instill fear in any Muslim who may turn against him; I very much doubt that he ever expected words such as these to be used to justify acts of terrorism.

New Age United said:

I would highly recommend "God Against the Gods" by Jonathan Kirsch.
If you want to better understand the torah, the new testament or the Quran I can help you with that, just give me a quote and I will give you my opinion, here from the Quran "whoever comes against Allah and his apostle shall be crucified or murdered or they shall have there hand and foot removed on opposite sides, this shall be a grievous chastisement in this life and the next". I'm going by memory that might not be the exact quote. What you have to understand is that Muhammad is under tremendous pressure from the opposing forces, he is trying to instill fear in any Muslim who may turn against him; I very much doubt that he ever expected words such as these to be used to justify acts of terrorism.

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i just want the Jesus stuff ....me and Allah have some issue ( i am a nice guy and he wants everyone to kiss his ass or die ) if i had to guess the devil just for the sheer fact it not turn the other cheeck and walk away from it leaving everyone to own life but they demand u convert the person or kill them

to me that is just another bully .........like the roman church

i am trying to by pass all that just get the strait facts and info on what happen and what was said (no viewpoints or add on just like court transcript )

the torah and koran both have some of the first ever right for ladies (land children divorce) as for the bible i am pissed at it was made 300ad by a group of ppl that had to make it think all one way so anything that did not fit into that was removed tweaked changed or just flat out lied about

i am really getting tired of all of this ......u watch the news and u see ppl that are bible thumpers yelling at kids that are Muslim (i mean 8-14 year kids ) and grown adults are yelling all kinds of hate things ....same with the bible thumpers going to funerals and yelling god is glad your son died gay is wrong ........i am really getting to the point i am willing to drive over them with a car (the haters) have a buddy do a little work the breaks go out on the car and i run them all over on the sidewalk they are stand on at 60 mph or i park the car and walk up with a 10 million volt tazer and just tap them all so they fall and shut up (then plant drugs in their cars and call child welfare on them so the kids are not taught in hate)

but i am not allowed to do that so i want enough bible/Jesus info so i can walk up to them and shut them up when they try something from the book of john/one of the other sects ....hopefully i can piss them off enough they swing on me and i can break something on them defending myself

When they try to tell you that the end of the world is coming, they always try to support it with "the world is getting worse and worse" Jehovas Witness' are the worst for this, the next time you hear that say "oh really; when was the last time you heard of somebody being nailed to a stick", that will shut them up, but as far as interesting facts about the bible and the history of the religion, things you could definitely use to support an argument, you should read God Against the Gods.

New Age United said:

When they try to tell you that the end of the world is coming, they always try to support it with "the world is getting worse and worse" Jehovas Witness' are the worst for this, the next time you hear that say "oh really; when was the last time you heard of somebody being nailed to a stick", that will shut them up, but as far as interesting facts about the bible and the history of the religion, things you could definitely use to support an argument, you should read God Against the Gods.

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i am redneck country i do not need to give them anymore ideas how to kill ppl .....tell that to the kkk and they will love it hang them nail to the cross and then burn it in the family front yard

and as for the world ending i am one of those guys ......except i do not try to tell other ppl did that does not work just looking out for the ones i care about the rest of yah good luck (i will not use the state of the world to prove it ) i will point out the roman empire more exactly the decline and fall of it all seems to be repeating ..........with 9/11 and the patriot/homeland defense act we basically turned the prez into a caeser now just need to see something happen if will they give up the power at the end of the event or repeat history

thanks for the book title ....i check it out i need something

mudminer said:

Hi Justugh, sorry I don't have a title to refer you to but was wondering if you had ever studied the teachings of Zoroaster? You may find a group called the Cathars
of interest as well. If I remember correctly the Cathars had beliefs that went back to Zoroaster. Zoroaster was a priest (one of the magi) in ancient Iran. His teachings actually became the leading belief system in the ancient world for a time. All major current belief systems and disciplines have adopted parts of his teachings. The Cathars were even believed to be such a significant threat to the Catholic church that the pope ordered them exterminated with prejudice along with anyone who gave them aid. By the way the Cathars believed peace and spiritual growth was a good thing.

Sorry I couldn't provide what you asked for but maybe what I did offer can lead you down helpful paths.

Best wishes

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actually yes i did cover part of them when i was doing my work ......my theory in all of this is god is in the details......look at everything look for the repeating factors are no matter how crazy the idea can be if it repeats tho out history passed time and culture line it has something to it

the cool thing in the last few years tho is what ppl have been pulling out of the ground ....pre dating all other thoughts on life (rem recorded history to them is only 6000 years ) they are finding cities dating back to 25000 years with signs of highway networking and plumbing ......signs of advance city planning when at that time they thought we were hunter gathers at best using stone arrows

u should check out the new verison of wicca they fallow more base lines of those and druids then anything else

MarWan said:

I bet you can find all the answers your looking for @ the Vatican's library. I wish I can break into it.

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i want them all dead with heads mounted on the spike fence that covers the area .........the whole library digital copied and offered to any person that wants to read them ........if the Chinese can go to the library of congress and copy of the a bomb neutron bomb ........we the ppl of the earth should be able to read anything that was left from the past

it all breaks down to the few with power do not want to share ........knowledge is power even more so then money.....a idea can spread fast and far along being really hard to kill

oh mudminer

u know alchemy is base off that ..........it was the other reason it was banned .........they were the first scientist taking the mystery of life out of god and the priest hands and explaining it to the masses (and they were willing to share any info not keep it secret and hidden from everyone)

Paranoia runs deep justugh; you do not need any more books, focus on clearing all the bullshit in your head. You can spend your entire life searching the world without; until you look within you will not find God.

New Age United said:

Paranoia runs deep justugh; you do not need any more books, focus on clearing all the bullshit in your head. You can spend your entire life searching the world without; until you look within you will not find God.

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does not work soon as i clean it out they fill it full of crap again ....lies and half truths

at this point i am just trying to survive untill the world goes down the crapper ....and with ISIS out there recruiting ppl from USA ( rem that USA is the great Satan to most of Islam ) their only choice it to convert us to kill us (so they backed self in a corner they will kill us or we will have to kill all of them)

and thank u paranoia is one good trait ........always ? everything never just accept and fallow ( plus plan for the worst hope for the best and u are never disappointed and always happily surprised)

justugh said:

hi

i have trouble with main stream religions all the writing are tuned to impart someone else view on something and we are to accept it as the word of god

at this point and time i have covered most of the religions in the world doing some studying on it .......now i am asking does anyone know of a book that is of just facts no view points just history/facts/truths on the bible

as i understand it the koran is a messed up book it does have some of the first property laws for women but it also has alot of hate for ppl that do not live by their rules 3 of the major sect 2 of them are peaceful

as i understand the torah it is pretty scarey ...god gets bored and makes bets with the devil over the nature of humans ...really easy to piss him/her off / this is where the meaning of wrath of god comes from ...tho god can be cool if u are doing the right thing

as i understand the bible .......it is all based off love and forgiveness but with the different sects of followers u get conflicting info ...where one reads it this way another takes it as this...... all due to the wording of some person from 2000/1800/1700 years ago (part that really gets me is the church has admitted to altering/hiding info that deals with this whole subject but no one is demanding the truth to the whole thing)

so i figure someone out there thought like this (as with the age of the universe and way thinking works all original thoughts have been thought .......now it just rethinking with a different action coming from the thought playing out all possibilities in life)

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religion is a cult nothing more; there is nothing factual about it..all versions have the same underlying theme to the story..just told differently.

ancient societies book of rules when no science existed in order to keep the masses in check.

tell me my sins are absolved..oh! you want money for that?

something like this? page down and read the editorial reviews

http://www.amazon.com/The-Meaning-Bible-Scriptures-Christian/dp/0062067737

New Age United said:

I would highly recommend "God Against the Gods" by Jonathan Kirsch.
If you want to better understand the torah, the new testament or the Quran I can help you with that, just give me a quote and I will give you my opinion, here from the Quran "whoever comes against Allah and his apostle shall be crucified or murdered or they shall have there hand and foot removed on opposite sides, this shall be a grievous chastisement in this life and the next". I'm going by memory that might not be the exact quote. What you have to understand is that Muhammad is under tremendous pressure from the opposing forces, he is trying to instill fear in any Muslim who may turn against him; I very much doubt that he ever expected words such as these to be used to justify acts of terrorism.

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all this shit is metaphoric..7 versions handed to the '7 daughters of eve'..7 mitchondrial clans existed..this is where it came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Daughters_of_Eve

BarnBuster said:

something like this? page down and read the editorial reviews

http://www.amazon.com/The-Meaning-Bible-Scriptures-Christian/dp/0062067737

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looks like an interesting book..hmmm might go on my wish list..

justugh said:

does not work soon as i clean it out they fill it full of crap again ....lies and half truths

at this point i am just trying to survive untill the world goes down the crapper ....and with ISIS out there recruiting ppl from USA ( rem that USA is the great Satan to most of Islam ) their only choice it to convert us to kill us (so they backed self in a corner they will kill us or we will have to kill all of them)

and thank u paranoia is one good trait ........always ? everything never just accept and fallow ( plus plan for the worst hope for the best and u are never disappointed and always happily surprised)

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I bet you will die of old age before the world ends.. The world ends everyday for many..Enjoy it while you can we are all going to die extremely soon. Humans don't live long.

mr sunshine said:

I bet you will die of old age before the world ends.. The world ends everyday for many..Enjoy it while you can we are all going to die extremely soon. Humans don't live long.

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no i am only holding it back for so much longer ............i will crack one day then death by police .......am getting to the point where why not the rules do not apply to all so they apply to none

had to stop my self from killing this road rage asshole ........i went around his slow ass then he pulls up and starts screaming at me i had to bite my lip to keep from reaching in the back seat and grabbing the water gun filled with 150 proof moonshine ( it is illegal to fill a water gun with gas ) spray the fucker down and use the lighter

There's a documentary called "Banned From the Bible". Maybe check that out.

justugh said:

no i am only holding it back for so much longer ............i will crack one day then death by police .......am getting to the point where why not the rules do not apply to all so they apply to none

had to stop my self from killing this road rage asshole ........i went around his slow ass then he pulls up and starts screaming at me i had to bite my lip to keep from reaching in the back seat and grabbing the water gun filled with 150 proof moonshine ( it is illegal to fill a water gun with gas ) spray the fucker down and use the lighter

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What if he has a gun and shoots you in the dick while you're squirting him with moonshine? That's a bad idea.

justugh said:

oh mudminer

u know alchemy is base off that ..........it was the other reason it was banned .........they were the first scientist taking the mystery of life out of god and the priest hands and explaining it to the masses (and they were willing to share any info not keep it secret and hidden from everyone)

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i do know this too..now you're talking

priest = forgives your sins = for a fee = 'donation' is the nice way of putting it..and non-taxable, too.

this is why you have the 'new testament'..the first was too gory and after a while they were losing the target audience intended.