Lighting for a 32"x32"x48"

Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I was just asking. I want to see the results. I just don't see how you can recomend something with out having consistent results with it. No cred without the results first. I don't think the light matters as much as you are saying anyway. I can buy replacement bulbs for a decade before an LED would beat them for cost effectiveness and I keep seeing pre mature failures. I just put a new bulb in. Or replace a ballast. And I haven't even had to do that yet. For years.
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Cost effective? An HID isn't more cost effective than a COB. How can you call a $200-$300 monthly electric bill more cost effective than $18 in veg and $7-8 in bloom?

And I have only seen DIYs from total amateurs fail out. Mostly, they are solid.
 
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txponto

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Olive Drab Green said:
The V450 USED to be $149, smartass. As I said, I bought two of them. So I was off by $10 these days.
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Either way I had already stated that $150 is the limit as to what I will spend so suggesting that is over $200 is pointless.
Olive Drab Green said:
Cost effective? An HID isn't more cost effective than a COB. How can you call a $200-$300 monthly electric bill more cost effective than $18 in veg and $7-8 in bloom?

And I have only seen DIYs from total amateurs fail out. Mostly, they are solid.
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I am an amateur. And my electric is a non factor. Townhome community where it is evenly spread with all tenants much like water in an apartment complex.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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These were the two I had under the two V450s when I had them in my personal grow, vegging only 3 weeks from seed before flip and harvesting about a week or two early.

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(Yield in box was only a fraction of total yield. It was about 3 ounces total, between the two plants. Would have been more if I had let it finish out and if I had veg'd longer than 3 weeks including seedling stage.)
 
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Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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txponto said:
Either way I had already stated that $150 is the limit as to what I will spend so suggesting that is over $200 is pointless.


I am an amateur. And my electric is a non factor. Townhome community where it is evenly spread with all tenants much like water in an apartment complex.
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Why would you not want to spend $50 more for something more than twice as good? Sounds more like you are making a decision without really giving it thought. Like, you're really going to regret it if you don't at least consider it. Why do you think I switched out both for my first COB? For 412w at the wall, I was getting less than half the productivity I got from a single 89w COB fixture from Tasty.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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1x ViparSpectra V450: 420 PPFD
1xTasty T1-V196: 932 PPFD. (I use 3.)
1x 600w HPS: 900-1100 PPFD.

It should be an easy choice, really. You would be saving more in electric costs while making more than double the product, spending only $65 more.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Olive Drab Green said:
Cost effective? An HID isn't more cost effective than a COB. How can you call a $200-$300 monthly electric bill more cost effective than $18 in veg and $7-8 in bloom?

And I have only seen DIYs from total amateurs fail out. Mostly, they are solid.
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What $2 -$300 electric bill? I run my 2 rooms and my whole house in the country for $200

I save tons of propane in winter. I run lights at night and exhaust under my living room.

just that savings for one year is worth more than any efficiency argument.

How many plants and how long have you grown again?
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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MichiganMedGrower said:
What $2 -$300 electric bill? I run my 2 rooms and my whole house in the country for $200

I save tons of propane in winter. I run lights at night and exhaust under my living room.

just that savings for one year is worth more than any efficiency argument.

How many plants and how long have you grown again?
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A year, and 2 in one place, approximately 20 in the other. So let me do the math.

Average kWh is $0.10.

So.

In veg, assuming you are veg'ing 18/6. That is 1.08 a day.

32 a month.

If 24/0, 1.44 a day, 32.4 a month.

This is not including heating, and if you use more than one 600w, that price obviously increases.

I use less than half that for the same effect.

Let's look at 1kW.

For 1000w, it would be $1.80 a day, $54 a month for 18/6, not including AC and ventilation.

So I was off, but HID is still significantly higher, including ventilation and AC, compared to my $18 a month 24/0 and not needing AC or ventilation. Why pay more than double the cost of energy for the same power?

Plus with HID, you have to worry about energy and heat sigs giving away your pos if you grow "underground."

Can you imagine running multiple 1kW lights? That is especially where COB shines as a replacement. In larger setups.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Olive Drab Green said:
A year, and 2 in one place, approximately 20 in the other. So let me do the math.

Average kWh is $0.10.

So.

In veg, assuming you are veg'ing 18/6. That is 1.08 a day.

32 a month.

If 24/0, 1.44 a day, 32.4 a month.

This is not including heating, and if you use more than one 600w, that price obviously increases.

I use less than half that for the same effect.

Let's look at 1kW.

For 1000w, it would be $1.80 a day, $54 a month for 18/6, not including AC and ventilation.

So I was off, but HID is still significantly higher, including ventilation and AC, compared to my $18 a month 24/0 and not needing AC or ventilation. Why pay more than double the cost of energy for the same power?

Plus with HID, you have to worry about energy and heat sigs giving away your pos if you grow "underground."

Can you imagine running multiple 1kW lights? That is especially where COB shines as a replacement. In larger setups.
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There is no expensive heating propane in your analysis.

I save many more hundreds per year than you are even considering.

And I have harvested hundreds of plants grown and cared for individually. i would literally save 14 dollars per month of your math is even. Or text and I have to buy lamps for 35 square feet.

And I would lose potency. I am excited about the LEC. And the room looks mostly natural now.

And if I fully convert I can run 4 of them instead of three like now for the same energy. Your idea is expensive with no real return in my room.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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MichiganMedGrower said:
There is no expensive heating propane in your analysis.

I save many more hundreds per year than you are even considering.

And I have harvested hundreds of plants grown and cared for individually. i would literally save 14 dollars per month of your math is even. Or text and I have to buy lamps for 35 square feet.

And I would lose potency. I am excited about the LEC. And the room looks mostly natural now.

And if I fully convert I can run 4 of them instead of three like now for the same energy. Your idea is expensive with no real return in my room.
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"No real return?" Dude. I am not eveb trying to measure dicks with you, but people are switching their HIDs that they have used for decades out for COBs because they work and they are worth the investment.

The return would come from the money you would save in electric costs per grow, as well as not having to worry about ventilation. Plus COBs will probably last you 10-15 years. No more buying bulbs or depleted photon output over time.

What does propane have to do with keeping your plants and light cool? You aren't cooling your grow space with propane.

In any case, bro, watch my grow and decide for yourself. I'm not circling with you anymore.
 
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txponto

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Olive Drab Green said:
"No real return?" Dude. I am not eveb trying to measure dicks with you, but people are switching their HIDs that they have used for decades out for COBs because they work and they are worth the investment.

The return would come from the money you would save in electric costs per grow, as well as not having to worry about ventilation. Plus COBs will probably last you 10-15 years. No more buying bulbs or depleted photon output over time.

What does propane have to do with keeping your plants and light cool? You aren't cooling your grow space with propane.

In any case, bro, watch my grow and decide for yourself. I'm not circling with you anymore.
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You've completely missed the point. He uses the exhaust to heat his home instead of burning propane for heat. Therefore he is saving far more money than he could EVER save with COB
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Olive Drab Green said:
"No real return?" Dude. I am not eveb trying to measure dicks with you, but people are switching their HIDs that they have used for decades out for COBs because they work and they are worth the investment.

The return would come from the money you would save in electric costs per grow, as well as not having to worry about ventilation. Plus COBs will probably last you 10-15 years. No more buying bulbs or depleted photon output over time.

What does propane have to do with keeping your plants and light cool? You aren't cooling your grow space with propane.

In any case, bro, watch my grow and decide for yourself. I'm not circling with you anymore.
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The HPS lamps offset my heating bill. Hundreds more per year than the 14 in electric. what is so hard to understand. I chose to add LEC for the spectrum instead. Because of the cost and results. That's how this is done. You choose the best tools for your situation.

You sound like a lighting company catalog. There is more to consider. I don't get why people push what they buy but here there is a lot of that.

You don't know what you are talking about. You have to look at the whole situation.

And the fans that cool my 600's total 1 amp. And they dial down on digital speed controllers.

And in the summer I share a/c with the veg room. Cobs would need the a/c just like the t-5's. So the whole house and grow room is set up to switch from summer to winter for efficiency.

These are the things that save real money.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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txponto said:
You've completely missed the point. He uses the exhaust to heat his home instead of burning propane for heat. Therefore he is saving far more money than he could EVER save with COB
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You don't get it. I'm not talking about heating. I'm talking about cooling. Like for the summer.

And he definitely isn't saving more money than with COB. He's paying for propane still. Why, I'll never know, since it's winter and he uses HIDs anyway.

Meanwhile, I don't have to manipulate my temps at all. All I do is pay $18 in veg and $7-8 in flower, period. So he definitely isn't saving more than me. My total electric each month's less than $150. Probably less than $100. For the whole house.

Have fun wasting your money,by the way, while I pump out exponentially more for less than half the wattage you would need in equivalent Vipars or HIDs.

A few of us tried to help you, but you want to act like a pompous prick. To hell with you, then.
 
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Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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MichiganMedGrower said:
The HPS lamps offset my heating bill. Hundreds more per year than the 14 in electric. what is so hard to understand. I chose to add LEC for the spectrum instead. Because of the cost and results. That's how this is done. You choose the best tools for your situation.

You sound like a lighting company catalog. There is more to consider. I don't get why people push what they buy but here there is a lot of that.

You don't know what you are talking about. You have to look at the whole situation.

And the fans that cool my 600's total 1 amp. And they dial down on digital speed controllers.

And in the summer I share a/c with the veg room. Cobs would need the a/c just like the t-5's. So the whole house and grow room is set up to switch from summer to winter for efficiency.

These are the things that save real money.
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I don't know what I'm talking about? Dude. There are at least 50 other people on this site alone who would tell you the same thing. You don't have to believe me, but this is common knowledge. If you don't believe me, you are wrong, and that's ok.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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MichiganMedGrower said:
You don't know what you are talking about. You have to look at the whole situation.


And in the summer I share a/c with the veg room. Cobs would need the a/c just like the t-5's. So the whole house and grow room is set up to switch from summer to winter for efficiency.

These are the things that save real money.
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COBs don't need AC. What are you talking about? And if you are sharing AC with the veg room, you are still paying for AC. You don't need AC for COBs. You are clearly the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I save real money by not wasting it.
 
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txponto

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Olive Drab Green said:
You don't get it. I'm not talking about heating. I'm talking about cooling. Like for the summer.

And he definitely isn't saving more money than with COB. He's paying for propane still. Why, I'll never know, since it's winter and he uses HIDs anyway.

Meanwhile, I don't have to manipulate my temps at all. All I do is pay $18 in veg and $7-8 in flower, period. So he definitely isn't saving more than me. My total electric each month's less than $150. Probably less than $100. For the whole house.

Have fun wasting your money,by the way, while I pump out exponentially more for less than half the wattage you would need in equivalent Vipars or HIDs.

A few of us tried to help you, but you want to act like a pompous prick. To hell with you, then.
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The only pompous prick I've seen in this entire thread are each and everyone of the people coming on here saying "anything other than COB is a waste of money" get real man.

There are lighting solutions for every set of circumstance. I expressed that I am not going to spend $200+ ... I also expressed that I'm not going to build my own light. I've also expressed my concerns regarding temperature and still only one single post I'm this thread has actually offered any sort of valuable input with the link to the Meizhi light.

I would advise everyone else to read the concerns on future threads to actually offer valid input to address the concerns of the poster.
 
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