LED Comparisons?

I am using the onyx and a51 sgs 160. Lots of stretch for me, perhaps I need more light...only 4 plants. I usually get 1.5-2.5 ounces of bud per plant. I do not think I have ever gotten close to 1 gram of bud per watt. 400 grams of bud from a 400 watt light, would be nice, but I think its not attainable for me in soil unless you veg for 2 months or more.

Swiller said:

I am using the onyx and a51 sgs 160. Lots of stretch for me, perhaps I need more light...only 4 plants. I usually get 1.5-2.5 ounces of bud per plant. I do not think I have ever gotten close to 1 gram of bud per watt. 400 grams of bud from a 400 watt light, would be nice, but I think its not attainable for me in soil unless you veg for 2 months or more.

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Thanks Swiller for the info... anywise here is an update of the SCROG from last friday..




DankSwag

Here's an update on the Onyx bloom LED SAGA...

So this is ot too shabby for just throwing the coated wire mesh down on top of these four girls and using LST to weave her existing branches into the mesh. This mind you is just two 250w drawing Onyx bloom lights over a 4x4 of 4 ladies intertwined. We started first two weeks with one light as christmas trees lost one of their lights of the four I had so I wanted to finish with two on those and did, did not care for GPW ratio. Thus the makeshift on the fly SCROG on other side of 10x5 flower they've had two lights for the last two weeks and the growth is coming about 4 weeks in, two of 1 led to start cycle and now 2 led panels to complete as you will not freaking believe this yes it is true.

After 20 days of my wait for a replacement due to inventory (stocking) issues I had to wait for replacement thus the scramble of moving lights around and not having both sides running continuously.

YES IT CAME FREAKING DOA.. I got it the replacement Tuesday, psyched to get other 4x4 going with another scrog, this time 4 nicely 8 mainifold branches to weave into mesh to get complete 4x4 plane filled in. But no my replacement onyx bloom LED panel no light from panel. BULLSHIT URGH!

Anywise Rapid LED is sending me out a replacement today with return shipping label for failed one. I don't have to wait till they receive the bad one to get my replacement so Two Green Thumbs up on the service aspect.

Now if I can just get 6 of them in 2 sets of 3 panels covering a 4x4 I should be able to compare that hopefully to the Apache grow that inspired me to ask the question can what was accomplished in that LED grown be done with with the onyx leds using spending less money and a little less wattage usage and can the onyx out perform the DormGrow lights I had been getting decent results from.


DankSwag

Hey DS, sorry to hear you are running into so much trouble, hopefully they will come through for you and set everything aright!

That sucks about the light being DoA after that long of a wait, hope everything starts going your way since your grow looks great already!

im so glad i went private with my LED light set up...even if i have an issue i can probably get assistance from people on here on how to fix it.. fuck these bullshit LED light companies. build it at home and get better results. i really wish certain forum members would team up and start a proper LED light company that gives out what it says and no bullshit behind it. use actual draw rates and what brand LEDs you use. be open with costumers and have quality be at the top of your objectives. my light from supra worked out of the box and even made it passed customs.. its the brightest light that runs at 210Ws ive ever seen..got here in under a week too.. and for shit that has to fly in sometimes that's awesome

I've just finished going through this thread. I've got to hand it to you, Dank, you sorted through a lot of issues and no small amount of bs to get to this point. Also, there are some really good people on this forum that know their shit and are willing to help.

I was hoping to read about the happy ending and see some bud porn but that's still a ways off it seems. I've worked on my share of technical projects and every one of them looked like a disaster in the middle of it due to some unforeseen issue. We can't know what we don't know until it smacks us. I, for one, am benefitting from going through this thread. One thing that I learned is that I'm not ready to try my own hand at growing just yet. Indoor growing under lights is complicated and expensive too.

You seem to be a pretty determined person. Hang in there. By the time you are finished you will be an expert too. And post those bud-porn pics when you can!

HolyGhost23 said:

im so glad i went private with my LED light set up...even if i have an issue i can probably get assistance from people on here on how to fix it.. fuck these bullshit LED light companies. build it at home and get better results. i really wish certain forum members would team up and start a proper LED light company that gives out what it says and no bullshit behind it. use actual draw rates and what brand LEDs you use. be open with costumers and have quality be at the top of your objectives. my light from supra worked out of the box and even made it passed customs.. its the brightest light that runs at 210Ws ive ever seen..got here in under a week too.. and for shit that has to fly in sometimes that's awesome

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I agree I would give my money in a heartbeat to LED DIY Master I've know of on this forum, the same person who encouraged me to go with Onyx Bloom as a better option then the Dorm Grow LEDs I have been using. However I have yet to get anywhere near with the GPW Onyx Bloom panels that I have with Dorm Grow.

Granted I only had one cycle with lights and in the course of that 8 week period I replaced one LED early with one from the other 4x4 area that had yet to have girls put under it. But for how long was that light out before I noticed cause for days during that cycle I would water prior to lights going on so there could of been significant time to effect the growth if just running on one light. Not to mention I struggled initially keeping heat and humidity down. So I am not really counting the GPW, four ounces from 4 plants in that 4x4 is unacceptable.

The goal is 4 ounces per plant. I am shooting for a pound from a 4x4 footprint, I know this will not be attainable using only 2 Onyx bloom lights supplying only 500 true watts of power, but I want to know the what is obtainable with ideal environment of soil, air and water under 500 watts and compare it the difference of adding a third light into the 4x4 providing 750 watts, ultimately I know I will need at least 750 watts of the right LED lights to produce what is possible using a 1000 watt HID or even get close too. I realize that 500 watts will leave me short but for now it is easier to manage the environment until I get the mini split in place to handle the additional heat from having two 4x4 areas within the 10x5.

Obviously my biggest drawback is the reliability of these ONYX panels and I will say this again I have cash for the right DIY LED fabricator for I am not happy with so far the GPW but then again as I said not having an ideal grow cycle completed due to either early environmental issues or led failure. Put aside the GPW the reliability factor is starting to take it's toll which means I have to carry 7 of these panels instead of 6 giving me one spare on hand in the event of assured immediate failure. One thing I can say about the DORM GROWS I have between myself an another person I know 8 panels and 4 spot LED Bloom bulbs at 14 watts for added coverage I have only had one unit fail in the near two years using them. Say what you want but I am speaking from experience I am disappointed with Onyx bloom LED panels but not yet discouraged, for I have had better luck and results to date with the Dorm Grow.

So this means there will be a BLOOM OFF... in one side of the 10x5 flower in a 4x4 section will be 3 Rapid ONYX BLOOM 750 watt total draw VS Dorm Grow Bloom panels totaling near or at 750 watts. Same environment, strain, soil, water and care only difference with be the LEDs bringing forth the Blooms.

This should reveal between the two companies what panel to move forward with and which one to sell on ebay.

DankSwag

Yea, I never post pics I know, but I am growing four Madman OG plants under one Onyx Bloom, one A51 SGS-160, and one knock-off Illumitex panel. 250 + 160 + 120 = 530 watts. One plant, mainly under the Onyx Bloom is looking the fattest. The ones under the SGS aren't as thick, but they look good. As the weeks go by (6th week flower), they are fattening up, but I had so much stretch I'm thinking of augmenting some 5000K.

My prediction is the three Onyx will blow the Dorm Grow away. I have never had any heat issues or shutting down, but the little lamp runs hot...hot enough to not grab it with your sweaty paws

For yield if I get two zips of pure quality bud per plant, I'm happy, real happy. I am not jealous of the masters who get more, I am happy for them!

Sorry to hear that Dankswag, but it looks like things are picking back up. I'll be plugging in my Onyx Friday night for 4 weeks more of veg till flower.
I have two 7 gallon smarties under four 5000k cree bulbs since sprout but I may keep them running along side the Onyx to prevent stretch like Swiller was experiencing even though that's pushing the watts for this little 2x2.5. I'll keep you posted and good luck on the next harvest.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Captain Morgan tested the draw and said the Onyx was pulling 220 at the wall and not 250. I've yet to test this myself but keep that in mind when adding everything up.

NapalmD said:

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Captain Morgan tested the draw and said the Onyx was pulling 220 at the wall and not 250. I've yet to test this myself but keep that in mind when adding everything up.

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Thanks for the FYI I recall that, I have plugged it into a receptacle that measures draw and I got a 242 244 measurement.

DankSwag

NapalmD said:

Sorry to hear that Dankswag, but it looks like things are picking back up. I'll be plugging in my Onyx Friday night for 4 weeks more of veg till flower.
I have two 7 gallon smarties under four 5000k cree bulbs since sprout but I may keep them running along side the Onyx to prevent stretch like Swiller was experiencing even though that's pushing the watts for this little 2x2.5. I'll keep you posted and good luck on the next harvest.

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Hey NaplamD,

Would love to see what you get out of that and how it works out.

DankSwag

DANKSWAG said:

Thanks for the FYI I recall that, I have plugged it into a receptacle that measures draw and I got a 242 244 measurement.

DankSwag

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Very cool. I may need to set my gpw goals a bit higher then
I think my buddy has a kilowatt I could borrow.

DANKSWAG said:

Hey NaplamD,

Would love to see what you get out of that and how it works out.

DankSwag

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Absolutely. I'll probably start a journal before I put in my screen.

My Onyx was spot on at 250 watts. As time goes by and I see the growth from this light I am more satisfied with the purchase.

Swiller said:

My Onyx was spot on at 250 watts. As time goes by and I see the growth from this light I am more satisfied with the purchase.

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Swiller,

Are you just using one Onyx bloom, when I get the chance I am going to retest wattage and take pics for verification of what I'm reporting..

Ultimately I could always configure 4 in a 4x4 that would really add to coverage especially since I have gone to sea of green and I am telling you which I could of vegged these out longer for more sights as you well see in my pics to come a section of 4 x 4 lacking flowering sites and around edges where light is not reaching with just two units covering the 4x4 at the moment.

Do you have any pics?

DankSwag

DS did you consider the similarly priced A51 led units before deciding on Onyx? If so, whyd you choose Onyx? They seem similar from the quick research I've done.

ficklejester said:

DS did you consider the similarly priced A51 led units before deciding on Onyx? If so, whyd you choose Onyx? They seem similar from the quick research I've done.

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i would of probably said something like someone who's experienced and makes high end DIY Led panels recommended it, maybe it was a setup to get me interested in what they have, don't know. Just know that I am disappointed first with failure rate so far, nothing like losing a light, which means I have to consider keeping a spare on hand at all times.

I can't say I would now in respect to failure, but after looking at some other information on the Area 51 on this forum about the lower wattage Area51 out performing the onyx bloom I am sure looking closer now trying to figure out the difference between RW-150 LED Grow Light and XGS-190 LED Grow Light.

Other then the price is relatively the same both use less power then the onyx and the review showed the RW-150 to out perform the onyx bloom so I am curious now which of the two Area 51s I should be looking at?

They both daisy chain which the Onyx does not so an added bonus.

DankSwag

I believe the RW stands for red+white, white LEDs plus reds targeted for flower, whereas the xgs is all warm white.