Larger scale organic growers opinions and advice.

genuity

genuity

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It's not the best,it cost way to much....
Who said anything about hydro?

It just flat out will cost to much..
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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foreverflyhi said:
Suprised no one mentioned a raised bed? I've seen larger grows with that with amazing results with less hassle and considerably cheaper.

Btw whoever said organic isn't the best for commericial or large scale is misinformed. Common hydro myth that organics don't produce as much, I call bs.
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I think he is inside. not outside.
if he is outside ditch those little tiny pots...
 
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shawn80j

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greasemonkeymann said:
you are gonna be in for trouble if you don't let the soil cook, we don't do it because we LIKE to wait, we do it because it's crucial.
if you don't want to cook, your only organic option is to buy bagged soil.
if you try to make supersoil without cooking you will be sorry. No doubt.
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Why will it not work? Won't the bacteria break it down even with plants in it. I'd think it won't break down as fast due to less mass and it hot composting. Not sure if super soil get hot while it breaks down?
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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shawn80j said:
Why will it not work? Won't the bacteria break it down even with plants in it. I'd think it won't break down as fast due to less mass and it hot composting. Not sure if super soil get hot while it breaks down?
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Sure but meanwhile your plants will absolutely suffer.
Trust me, do it and you will wish you didn't.
Don't take my word for it, go do a lil research. the sticky "organics something you need to know" is a good one explaining that.
oops the thread is "something you ought to know"
 
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shawn80j

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greasemonkeymann said:
Sure but meanwhile your plants will absolutely suffer.
Trust me, do it and you will wish you didn't.
Don't take my word for it, go do a lil research. the sticky "organics something you need to know" is a good one explaining that.
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Ok. Just curious why it won't work. I've started plant in straight ocean forest 5 gallon pots and they seemed to do well. I added nutes even tho they were doing fine without. I was hoping the base soil would feed them while my amendments broke down and could take over later in the grow
 
genuity

genuity

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shawn80j said:
Sweet good find buddy! Gonna read it now
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I use them as my main source for anything..
That soil mix,or you can just buy the nutrient mix & mineral mix alone..and mix with your own base soil,and plug and play...for real.

I only did water in veg,still wrapped up in a few bottles for flowering...I love that neptunes.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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shawn80j said:
Ok. Just curious why it won't work. I've started plant in straight ocean forest 5 gallon pots and they seemed to do well. I added nutes even tho they were doing fine without. I was hoping the base soil would feed them while my amendments broke down and could take over later in the grow
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because ocean forest is already aged.
did you read that sticky?
it's right there.
I'm not going to argue or point out where you can find the information again, i'm tired and I have a headache.
go read that thread it'll explain it.
Short story is the nutrients aren't in a usable form for the plant.
No offence man, much love. Just my head hurts. and the sticky is a good one.
It'll answer your questions.
from your description i'd just get bagged soil, vermifire is the best in my opinion.
 
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shawn80j

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greasemonkeymann said:
because ocean forest is already aged.
did you read that sticky?
it's right there.
I'm not going to argue or point out where you can find the information again, i'm tired and I have a headache.
go read that thread it'll explain it.
Short story is the nutrients aren't in a usable form for the plant.
No offence man, much love. Just my head hurts. and the sticky is a good one.
It'll answer your questions.
from your description i'd just get bagged soil, vermifire is the best in my opinion.
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Yeah I know that. I posted won't the ocean support them till the amendments break down? I'm not arguing I'm sorry if I'm coming across that way. Just was looking for info on why it has to be aged?
 
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shawn80j

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I've read that sticky and several others. Has anyone ever double ran super soil? Seems to me everyone is scared to risk a double run which I understand. I'd really just like to know if the soil will really be depleted by someone who has really tried it
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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shawn80j said:
Yeah I know that. I posted won't the ocean support them till the amendments break down? I'm not arguing I'm sorry if I'm coming across that way. Just was looking for info on why it has to be aged?
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its all good man, go read that thread and ALL your questions will be answered.
its the same theory as your human digestive tract, you need microorganisms in order to digest food, same for the plant to use the nutrients, the plant doesn't "eat" the raw nutrients the microbes do, and then THAT is what is used by the plant.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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shawn80j said:
I've read that sticky and several others. Has anyone ever double ran super soil? Seems to me everyone is scared to risk a double run which I understand. I'd really just like to know if the soil will really be depleted by someone who has really tried it
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if you read it then why ask? its answered right in the first paragraph?
here it is again.

I've seen a whole bunch of threads on here about people complaining that their organic nutes just aren't cutting it, their plant is showing lots of micronute deficiencies, etc etc.
What people need to understand is that when they grow "organic" it is a process. I'll explain how plants get nutrition from the soil, and then it will become pretty damn obvious why your plants aren't really getting the "love" that they need.
First thing is first, when you just dump a bunch of organic matter into a pot you aren't doing shit. Well actually, more often than not all you're adding is shit, but anyway... The whole way that organics work is a process. Once you have organic matter in an area you will attract tiny little bugs that can eat that matter. After they start chowing down, their predators, more tiny bugs, are attracted to the same area. These predators start to eat away at the bugs and the bugs, either through deification or death, exude nutrition into the soil that plants can eat. Plants CANNOT eat organic matter as it is.
 
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shawn80j

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greasemonkeymann said:
if you read it then why ask? its answered right in the first paragraph?
here it is again.

I've seen a whole bunch of threads on here about people complaining that their organic nutes just aren't cutting it, their plant is showing lots of micronute deficiencies, etc etc.
What people need to understand is that when they grow "organic" it is a process. I'll explain how plants get nutrition from the soil, and then it will become pretty damn obvious why your plants aren't really getting the "love" that they need.
First thing is first, when you just dump a bunch of organic matter into a pot you aren't doing shit. Well actually, more often than not all you're adding is shit, but anyway... The whole way that organics work is a process. Once you have organic matter in an area you will attract tiny little bugs that can eat that matter. After they start chowing down, their predators, more tiny bugs, are attracted to the same area. These predators start to eat away at the bugs and the bugs, either through deification or death, exude nutrition into the soil that plants can eat. Plants CANNOT eat organic matter as it is.
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I don't believe that's the soils fault. I believe it's user error. Anything for over watering to bad environment to straight up lazyness whatever the case. In my case I've plant in straight ocean forest and grew from root to half through flower in 5 gallon pots with no deficiencies. Have u actually tried this to see its not true?
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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shawn80j said:
I don't believe that's the soils fault. I believe it's user error. Anything for over watering to bad environment to straight up lazyness whatever the case. In my case I've plant in straight ocean forest and grew from root to half through flower in 5 gallon pots with no deficiencies. Have u actually tried this to see its not true?
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yes I have, and I've also ran multiple water only grows, I know a thing or two about organics...
I do not like the supersoil recipe, if you do that recipe without aging your soil, your plants will grow very poorly.
ocean forest is an AGED soil, it's ready to go because the manufacturers know that if they didn't age their soil, then it wouldn't grow plants well.
I have used roots (reg and 707), vermifire, ocean forest, and happy frog, with no nutrients added , the entire grow, all the way. the vermifire is the best of those.
The recipe I used for my soil I have grown THREE harvests with no added nutrients, but the third was lacking in yields but showed ZERO deficiencies, just not as green and the yields were approx. 30% less than normal. The key is in the compost.
I'm confused at to why you are not believing the information in the stickys.
Not allowing the soil to age is indeed "user error"
 
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shawn80j

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greasemonkeymann said:
yes I have, and I've also ran multiple water only grows, I know a thing or two about organics...
I do not like the supersoil recipe, if you do that recipe without aging your soil, your plants will grow very poorly.
ocean forest is an AGED soil, it's ready to go because the manufacturers know that if they didn't age their soil, then it wouldn't grow plants well.
I have used roots (reg and 707), vermifire, ocean forest, and happy frog, with no nutrients added , the entire grow, all the way. the vermifire is the best of those.
The recipe I used for my soil I have grown THREE harvests with no added nutrients, but the third was lacking in yields but showed ZERO deficiencies, just not as green and the yields were approx. 30% less than normal. The key is in the compost.
I'm confused at to why you are not believing the information in the stickys.
Not allowing the soil to age is indeed "user error"
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Awesome 2 harvest I could live with but still won't work for me with the aging process. I know a lot about organics I know the whole feed the soil not the plant saying and I know a lot about the Bennies. I was just hoping I could mix plant grow and water and call it good.
 
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