Large study shows no correlation between psychedelic use and mental illness

St1kybudz

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mescaline does not have a friendly come down. Next day I feel like my head is a balloon on a string with a light headache, I rested really good but did not sleep much. Mescaline lets you relax and just drift off into a dream but you aint sleepin, LOL...... kinda grumpy and I want to do more mescaline.... But I found some old hash from a grow two years go... top quality shit, I smoked it and I think the nostalgia alone got me high. ..... it is so cool how weed flavors can take you back to a distant memory.
All flavors can the flavor of dmt gets me every time I'm like XD
 

St1kybudz

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This thread has been a nice read.

It's great to see studies like these. I mean I always knew psychedelics are a good thing, but I like knowing that I can keep doing them throughout life without worrying about long term effects. It's also great to see people considering these substances for alternative health use, because they truly are so powerful and healing.

If anything I worry about the long term effects of all the ecstasy I have done haha. I don't regret those experiences but its the only drug I feel like might have had a negative impact.
Mdma only depletes the serotonin in your brain these levels can take up to 4 weeks to return to normal but if you over heat it can be bad I got to hot and I still fill a lil off
 

New Age United

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The actual unbiased accepted idea is that it does not cause the mental illness it accelerates the condition of an idividual with a predisposition to have the disorder so what I'm trying to say is that if you tell me it made you scisophrinic imma tell you that you prop would have been in 10 15 maybe 20 years later any way always keep your family history in mind and your environmental factors as well one study links copper plumbing to alzheimers
Not even that long, the Avg acid user is a Caucasian male of around 20-23 years of age I do believe, the onset of schizophrenia is 19-27 so only a few years after you would be full blown crazy.
 

MidnightWolf

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I had two bad ones. I am quite grounded and sane. When we tell others that bad trips are their own fault we do an injustice to the randomness of the chemical. One can have a bad trip while being fully aware of the fact that not only is one under the effect of a drug but those effects will dissipate.

A bad trip is not evidence of poor planning, a weak will or any other personal factor.

Certainly one will be more disposed to the hellish aspects if the set and setting are not good, if circumstances expose one to outside influences (I came upon a nasty car crash once while quite high, no fun but not really a bad trip)

And of course if one is predisposed because of a mental condition but again, the drug can do things that are impossible to either manage or surrender to.
I didn't mean to imply it's totally the individual persons mental direction that controls the trip. There obviously unknowns when you choose to alter your reality. I guess a "Bad Trip" is a relative thing. I've had euphoric experiences as well as the ones where I was tired of the trip and just wanted to come down but couldn't. But I always came down, and I have never known anybody personally that was lost to psychedelics. Watched a guy wander into the netherlands never to return, but he was huffin glue.
 

canndo

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I didn't mean to imply it's totally the individual persons mental direction that controls the trip. There obviously unknowns when you choose to alter your reality. I guess a "Bad Trip" is a relative thing. I've had euphoric experiences as well as the ones where I was tired of the trip and just wanted to come down but couldn't. But I always came down, and I have never known anybody personally that was lost to psychedelics. Watched a guy wander into the netherlands never to return, but he was huffin glue.

If you ever had a bad trip you would know. They are visits to hell prolonged, unrelenting. You cannot will your way out, in fact resisting makes it worse. You cannot surrender to it because of the nature of the experience.

My worst was eight hours of uncontrollable emotions, sadness, fear, frustration delight, curiosity, horror grief, disgust, pride, embarrassment....

Every emotion you can name engulfing you serially, sometimes several at a timetime, cycling randomly for hours.

Imagine the patterns you see on a wall emotions changing and swirling on and on and on.

You know it will be over and you can talk to yourself but you are beyond ego, beyond intellectual ism or rationality.
 

Mr. Bongwater

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If you ever had a bad trip you would know. They are visits to hell prolonged, unrelenting. You cannot will your way out, in fact resisting makes it worse. You cannot surrender to it because of the nature of the experience.

My worst was eight hours of uncontrollable emotions, sadness, fear, frustration delight, curiosity, horror grief, disgust, pride, embarrassment....

Every emotion you can name engulfing you serially, sometimes several at a timetime, cycling randomly for hours.

Imagine the patterns you see on a wall emotions changing and swirling on and on and on.

You know it will be over and you can talk to yourself but you are beyond ego, beyond intellectual ism or rationality.
you just described my bad trip with shrooms to a T, had anxiety ever since, so the title of this thread is absolute bullshit, not only is it bullshit its dangerous bullshit, a bad trip can seriously fuck somebody up
 

canndo

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you just described my bad trip with shrooms to a T, had anxiety ever since, so the title of this thread is absolute bullshit, not only is it bullshit its dangerous bullshit, a bad trip can seriously fuck somebody up

It goes away. Most trips stay on the rational level.

I felt undermined. But remember it was just an experience. I have taken LSD maybe a hundred , two were bad.
 

WHODAT@THADOR

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you just described my bad trip with shrooms to a T, had anxiety ever since, so the title of this thread is absolute bullshit, not only is it bullshit its dangerous bullshit, a bad trip can seriously fuck somebody up
Bad trips don't exist there are uncomfortable trips as my buddy puts it, comes on strong and destroys you. Its suppose to duh. Ego death, loss of control all of these things in the end are personal to you people who have no respect for the nature of any of these substances learn it quick and its what fucks em up everytime....Ive said it before just because you eat a 100 ug tab or a dime of shrooms dont say you are tripping face because you are not. Those are what I would call a social/party level. This thread is not a lie or bullshit none of these Psychs has been proven to cause mental illness. The issue is with you and it left an impression on you as its suppose to bro thats why eating a bunch of anything should not be taken lightly. .02
 

Mr. Bongwater

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Bad trips don't exist there are uncomfortable trips as my buddy puts it, comes on strong and destroys you. Its suppose to duh. Ego death, loss of control all of these things in the end are personal to you people who have no respect for the nature of any of these substances learn it quick and its what fucks em up everytime....Ive said it before just because you eat a 100 ug tab or a dime of shrooms dont say you are tripping face because you are not. Those are what I would call a social/party level. This thread is not a lie or bullshit none of these Psychs has been proven to cause mental illness. The issue is with you and it left an impression on you as its suppose to bro thats why eating a bunch of anything should not be taken lightly. .02
i said that before our recent pm's man so srry if i came off as a bit ignorant about psychedelics
 
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canndo

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Bad trips don't exist there are uncomfortable trips as my buddy puts it, comes on strong and destroys you. Its suppose to duh. Ego death, loss of control all of these things in the end are personal to you people who have no respect for the nature of any of these substances learn it quick and its what fucks em up everytime....Ive said it before just because you eat a 100 ug tab or a dime of shrooms dont say you are tripping face because you are not. Those are what I would call a social/party level. This thread is not a lie or bullshit none of these Psychs has been proven to cause mental illness. The issue is with you and it left an impression on you as its suppose to bro thats why eating a bunch of anything should not be taken lightly. .02
While I agree (we seem always to do so)

We would have to define bad trip. " not what I expected" or "uncomfortable" in my opinion are not bad trips

Loss of "control" is, I believe, a part of the point. As is ego loss (not often for God sake, it is a tough road and enlightening it is, just never fun)

But what I experienced was far more profound. Ego is always seen as a total "me" but the emotional aspect is so overwhelming at such a deep level and so crushing that I quit afterward. I never feared permanent mental instability, having been a veteran I knew that reintegration might take some time but it was inevitable.

I also suspect that this was a deep seated fear and it was only a matter of time till I would be struck in a place I could not previously comprehend.

Everyone laughs on acid. Many love that, chuckling at the cosmic joke.

Most feel majesty, joy, exhilaration, ecstacy and of course some of what might be considered ""negative" emotions which really aren't at all.

But they are always reasonably . Thino about your father's death, feel sad. Sense an improper response on your part, see the intinteraction from a third party perspective, feel embarrassed or shame.

But roll into dozens of inappropriate feelings with huge power and it gets far weirder than imaginable.
 

Mr. Bongwater

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what do you guys do at home when tripping to pass the time? going outside don't take long and we all know how long shrooms or especially acid lasts lmao

i think high doses of weed can definitely make anxiety worse on shrooms, but my second acid trip we smoked like 10 joints, i find acid is a lot more relaxing
 
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canndo

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Oh, about insanity.

I had three friends who did go off the edge. Each had a family history, , in retrospect seemed odd previous to their LSD use, none of them seem to have been precipitated by a single LSD experience. They just seemed to take their hands off the sanity wheel and slowly drifted out of their lanes.

One took his life at forty. he was brilliant.


He could never hold down a job.

The next one was an acid buddy.

They found his body in an apartment in Los Vegas ten days after he died of a heart attack at fifty. The police checked his home at my behest after his family asked me to go visit him, they had not heard from him for months.

The last , another acid buddy, interestingly, called me from out of the blue after our not having spoken for many years. Last week.

It is highly likely you have heard his music. Very highly.

Long ago his family asked me to help them move him to a facility where they managed to have him Commited.

A year or so later
I spoke to him in a different hospital where he was treated for two broken legs.

You see, he jumped from the window of the psychiatric ward, three floors up from a rooftop. He told me he knew the only chance he had was to hit that roof and then crawl to the edge there in order to make the second leap of twenty more floors.

He thought he might break one leg in the first jump but did not count on two.


Anyway, we had an arrangement. I am the only person in the world he trusts to tell him the truth. He trusts me more than the voices.

When he asked if a woman (again, someone you all likely know) was "using her blondness against me" I told him no.

This last call he asked me if the government was listening to his telephone conversations.

I told him they were but that they did not care what he said and that they were listening to everyone.

Then he wanted to know if I could hear his thoughts and I said only when he spoke about them to me.


He is a wonderful musician.
 

mikek420

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Watching that video on microcoding I am so glad that my trippy guy takes the time to know for a fact that he is selling me lysergic acid diethylamide 25 and not something 2c or 25 bombe whatever wow. Glad he has his own kit to test!
 

DaSprout

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Watching that video on microcoding I am so glad that my trippy guy takes the time to know for a fact that he is selling me lysergic acid diethylamide 25 and not something 2c or 25 bombe whatever wow. Glad he has his own kit to test!
The more you know...
 

toto34

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I dont know about LSD but It is impossbile to be an addict of psilocybin. If you will take shrooms 3 days in a row on the 4th day you will not feel anything.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Oh, about insanity.

I had three friends who did go off the edge. Each had a family history, , in retrospect seemed odd previous to their LSD use, none of them seem to have been precipitated by a single LSD experience. They just seemed to take their hands off the sanity wheel and slowly drifted out of their lanes.

One took his life at forty. he was brilliant.


He could never hold down a job.

The next one was an acid buddy.

They found his body in an apartment in Los Vegas ten days after he died of a heart attack at fifty. The police checked his home at my behest after his family asked me to go visit him, they had not heard from him for months.

The last , another acid buddy, interestingly, called me from out of the blue after our not having spoken for many years. Last week.

It is highly likely you have heard his music. Very highly.

Long ago his family asked me to help them move him to a facility where they managed to have him Commited.

A year or so later
I spoke to him in a different hospital where he was treated for two broken legs.

You see, he jumped from the window of the psychiatric ward, three floors up from a rooftop. He told me he knew the only chance he had was to hit that roof and then crawl to the edge there in order to make the second leap of twenty more floors.

He thought he might break one leg in the first jump but did not count on two.


Anyway, we had an arrangement. I am the only person in the world he trusts to tell him the truth. He trusts me more than the voices.

When he asked if a woman (again, someone you all likely know) was "using her blondness against me" I told him no.

This last call he asked me if the government was listening to his telephone conversations.

I told him they were but that they did not care what he said and that they were listening to everyone.

Then he wanted to know if I could hear his thoughts and I said only when he spoke about them to me.


He is a wonderful musician.
I'm curious as to if your buddy has tried CBD as treatment for what sounds like schizophrenia?
 
DSC_0147.JPG I've found that not only do things like shrooms not make you ill they can actually help those with depression and anxiety and all that shit. Definitely going to learn to grow so I can have medicinal shrooms yr round instead of just having libs in the autumn
 
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