Nor-Cal Cuttings
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Iv never used l.e.ds kinda wanted to know how they stacked up against the tried and true hps?
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l.e.ds vs hps
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KarmaPaymentPlan
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should check the led section if you want real answers
HydroRed
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2 sides to every coin. You can save 14 minutes one time on set up and 25% on your electric bill (if used watt for watt), OR you can use HID and nearly double your yield on whatever you are growing. All I can offer up is personal opinion, and HID lighting is consistantly tried and true.
KarmaPaymentPlan
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LED can compare it's just expensive up front if your serious do some research this site is by far the best and "realist" about LED and what it can do
markymark88
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Hey man I have a solar storm 400 (350 actual watts) and a 400 hps. The hps yield is slightly better maybe 10% but I feel that's due to its penetration. The led usually grows frostier buds. Idk if it's because of the uvb cause mine has them built in. the only downfall is penetration and coverage. Leds do not penetrate for shit IMO I feel watt for watt that the are very comparable and if money wasn't an issue I'd use nothing but high end leds
Sativied
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You must have forgotten to link "this site"....
It's been a while since your question has been covered here but there are some threads that may be helpful.
http://rollitup.org/t/led-vs-hid-double-ended-bulb.837617/
http://rollitup.org/t/can-led-compete-with-hid.867422/
http://rollitup.org/t/who-here-has-used-20-1k-hps-to-grow.867484/
orangeade5
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The new diy led panels these guys are building with cob chips are insane...check out what greengene is doing
gweddo6868
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Idk about led Makin buds more frosty but hps is tried and true I even run magnetic ballast because they are tanks
patrickkawi37
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This must be a joke right? Led grower throw the word efficiency out there without thinking. I've seen a led panel do better than 1k on a 4x4 spread with a very even canopy. But what if your growing og or stretchy plants under them . If you go outside of the 4x4 or further than 16 inches from the canopy your lumens get fucked. And they cost upwards of 3000+ bucks a piece.
All these factors to save 30ish percent on electricity is an absolute joke.
All these factors to save 30ish percent on electricity is an absolute joke.
werm11
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There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. I've never seen a light selling for 3k+? And if I did I'd probably laugh too cause those of us who know, know it can be had for less. The installation video posted was nice I guess but don't buy advanced brand led lol. An LED can be had for around 1k that will outperform a 1k watt hps. The investment is steep. For some it is worth it for others it isn't. But to suggest that LEDs grow inferior herb or that they can't hit the yields that hid hit is just wrong And you're only selling yourself short thinking so
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patrickkawi37
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There is probably less than 1 percent of commercial grower that believe in leds. For a closet growing hobbyist, sure leds are dope. Save some heat , save a little electricity, cost a shitload and narrow down the growing styles and genetics you can use. Those badasss led spider lamp things are close to 3k a pop. Keep hyping with your do it yourself bullshit. hps gets the job done for a reasonable price. And easily can produce over 2 pounds per 1k lamp with any worthy genetics . That is what efficiency is
gweddo6868
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Us as Indoor growers are trying reproduce the sun inside for me that's two thousands air cooled in a 6x7 room and at 320,000 lumens in that room I flood my girls with light because that's what I'm trying to reproduce although I flower at nite to help keep temps down in the summer and warm in the winter because it's cold at nite it works great and setup is solid tried and true makes money and smoke and in led defense I'm sure with the rite setup and genetics it can do really good and I know it doesn't produce less potent buds I've smoked stuff from under led and it wasn't it was the same to me I just feel it produces less of it and led makes ur stuff more frosty bullshit genetics pheno are the player there and to be honest I wouldn't rig
up some half ass light because I'm not a electrician so I would buy the stuff if I did it my favorite thing about led is u can control the bandwidth at which they run so thumbs up to that
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churchhaze
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What type of LED's were you using? It makes a huge difference. You can't expect DIY cxb like results from a R+B mars grow lamp. It's not a fair comparison. Those things are shit.
hyroot
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how is this still a thing. Led has already surpassed hid a long time ago. There's proof just on here going back a few years. Led is getting better. Hps hit its peak in the 70's. Then in the last few years they developed double ended bulbs. Granted hps has been around since the 1880's and led has only been around since the 1920's. After a 100 years. You think people would change their mind. Led has already taken over in almost every aspect of lighting. But the nay Sayers are still stuck in the old days. If we had that same logic with everything else. We wouldn't have computers, cell phones or even tv's.
the problem with the gavitas is they run more watts and put out tremendous amount of heat. They can't be closer than 3 feet to the canopy. You can build an led cob panel for the same price at half the watts. No other hps brand can compete with gavita either. Not even on the sane level. But led and CMH can
for commercial grows. DIY cobs wont work because they're not uL listed. You can end up paying all kinds of fines for not having safety rated lighting. In the last year in Co several gardens have been fined anywhere from $5'000 -$70,000 for not using properly safety rated lighting. So the choices are apache, lumigrow, gavita and inda gro. A lot of hps ballasts are not even rated for that use.
one day hps will be banned just like cfl's and tube tv's They're not environmentally sound. Too much power use and don't last and are not able to recycle. You can't even legally throw an hps bulb in the regular everyday trash.
led last 10 times longer with far less spectral degrading that hps starts losing at 6 months.
the problem with the gavitas is they run more watts and put out tremendous amount of heat. They can't be closer than 3 feet to the canopy. You can build an led cob panel for the same price at half the watts. No other hps brand can compete with gavita either. Not even on the sane level. But led and CMH can
for commercial grows. DIY cobs wont work because they're not uL listed. You can end up paying all kinds of fines for not having safety rated lighting. In the last year in Co several gardens have been fined anywhere from $5'000 -$70,000 for not using properly safety rated lighting. So the choices are apache, lumigrow, gavita and inda gro. A lot of hps ballasts are not even rated for that use.
one day hps will be banned just like cfl's and tube tv's They're not environmentally sound. Too much power use and don't last and are not able to recycle. You can't even legally throw an hps bulb in the regular everyday trash.
led last 10 times longer with far less spectral degrading that hps starts losing at 6 months.
gweddo6868
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Hyroot ur rite hps is old tech led is the next step but u said it rite it's getting better and if I grew led I wouldn't feel good making my own and to buy them would be pricey I'm sold less energy better for the environment all around better to me their just not there yet and sir i have never thrown a bulb away I just give them to a buddy that uses them expect for the one I took for target practice if any of us can learn anything here its that hps 1000 bulb does not hold up to 44 mag booooom!!!! Just making light of it
Haha I would show the pistol buy I'm thinking wouldn't be good on this site
Haha I would show the pistol buy I'm thinking wouldn't be good on this site
gweddo6868
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Apache tech at 600 2499.00
Gavita which is a plasma I'm not going to use 600 plus in da grow pro 420 1,000 lumnigro 650 1300 which of these lights do u have hyroot or I'm I looking at the wrong stuff So if I was to switch to Apache if I buy two at 600 which would be the replacement for any 1000watt I would need to for my setup so 5000 dollars later and it pushes 104,360 lumens
Gavita which is a plasma I'm not going to use 600 plus in da grow pro 420 1,000 lumnigro 650 1300 which of these lights do u have hyroot or I'm I looking at the wrong stuff So if I was to switch to Apache if I buy two at 600 which would be the replacement for any 1000watt I would need to for my setup so 5000 dollars later and it pushes 104,360 lumens
gweddo6868
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Although it does run a lil more than half the amps and 50000 hour rating it would last for 11 years so that's a huge plus to me they will be there one day it's just not today
HydroRed
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I bought 2 1000W HPS & I paid $189 each for glass enclosed 6" vented hood/bulb and ballast brand new from the grow shop. Though I have an "indoor grow", it is still effected by outside temps. My HPS keep my room nice and warm in the fall/winter and early spring months basically for free. The fact I dont need any electricity sucking heaters in those months more than pays for itself vs the 25% savings on electricity. I dont know of anyone personally who put off more gram for gram with led than someone with HPS. Free heat/larger yields/and WAAAY lower initial cost....I'll stick with my HPS. Im not arguing that led wont grow, but they still have a long way before they are as reliable or effective as any HPS or MH. Hell, I see brand new 2015 cars with burned out led's in the tail lights and headlights and these car companies have spent millions upon millions of $$ on research and testing.....and they still cant keep them working. My old hps 400W was over 17 years old and just recently died. I paid $25 for it. How many led's you getting for $25 that will last that long?