~Kosher Kush~ T5/defoliating

Ok, ok enough bending and trimming. Time to defoliate again.



Spent almost 45 min chopping, had to stop. Couldn't get all of the ones inside there were branches in-twined with each other blocking some leaves.

Why do you cut the leaves so much. I found that they do much better with them. At least thats how it works fantastic for me.

El D2 said:

Why do you cut the leaves so much. I found that they do much better with them. At least thats how it works fantastic for me.

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That's part of the methods we are testing. Defoliation is the technique of completely removing the fan leaves several times throughout the plants life cycle. The supporting argument is that the buds will get more direct sunlight creating heavier yields.

Many people agree with you too. That the plant's leaves are the factory and the more the better.

I don't disagree. I'm open to the possibility of both being good.

BluJayz said:

That's part of the methods we are testing. Defoliation is the technique of completely removing the fan leaves several times throughout the plants life cycle. The supporting argument is that the buds will get more direct sunlight creating heavier yields.

Many people agree with you too. That the plant's leaves are the factory and the more the better.

I don't disagree. I'm open to the possibility of both being good.

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youre the only person ive ever seen do this.......... i think youre confused on the whole defoliation thing

woody333333 said:

youre the only person ive ever seen do this.......... i think youre confused on the whole defoliation thing

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Oh? Please; indulge me. How is it supposed to go?

I've seen some favorable results online.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=174163

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/hydroponic-gardening/176415-increasing-yield-defoliation-indoors-what-s-mean-how-do.html

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/352300-defoliation-removing-fan-leaves-higher.html <- RIU

http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial

BluJayz said:

Oh? Please; indulge me. How is it supposed to go?

I've seen some favorable results online.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=174163

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/hydroponic-gardening/176415-increasing-yield-defoliation-indoors-what-s-mean-how-do.html

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/352300-defoliation-removing-fan-leaves-higher.html <- RIU

http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial

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thats fukn retarded.........whats wrong w you?

wow very interested to see how this goes,keep it up plant looks great

Im kinda confused as to whats up w the plant...I respect ur efforts but u cant believe everything u see n read...I used to buy into that defoliating shit when I first started...I thought hell yeah makes sense to me...id trim my leaves n see my shoots go crazy n thought hell yeah this is working. ..til the buds came...smallest yield ive ever had...god put those leaves on the plant for a reason...they absorb energy for the plant....I have a plant in three weeks flowering same as urs this very moment...here's my three week buds......w cfls.......here she is on 7/30 at almost a week flowering....not trying to b Mr. DISCOURAGEMENT or anything...I made the same mistake once too n have learned from it...on three plants same strain same veg time n all....I defoliated one...lollipopped another and just topped n bent the other...trying training out...I got over two zips on the just topped n bent one...two ozs on the lollipop and an ounce n a half off the defoliated

BluJayz said:

That's part of the methods we are testing. Defoliation is the technique of completely removing the fan leaves several times throughout the plants life cycle. The supporting argument is that the buds will get more direct sunlight creating heavier yields.

Many people agree with you too. That the plant's leaves are the factory and the more the better.

I don't disagree. I'm open to the possibility of both being good.

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but if u think abt it...does it look like the buds absorb light n energy or the leaves....look at the mechanics of the plant..energy comes in thru the leaves and is manifested in flowers.

BluJayz said:

That's part of the methods we are testing. Defoliation is the technique of completely removing the fan leaves several times throughout the plants life cycle. The supporting argument is that the buds will get more direct sunlight creating heavier yields.

Many people agree with you too. That the plant's leaves are the factory and the more the better.

I don't disagree. I'm open to the possibility of both being good.

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NO defoliation is the selective removal of fan leaves and other plant canopy material. You are doing it wrong and severely stunting your plants and limiting their growth potential. This is not a good example of how to defoliate properly.

This thread is a copy of another defoliating thread technique from another site, I have read it before. There is no reason to why you are removing the fan leaves you are besides all of them or none of them and that is stupid. The plants need the fan leaves and you are taking too many away too fast. There are specific stages where certain leaves have to be removed along with specific branches and certain non-true leaves.

EDIT: Don't make a thread on defoliation unless you know how it works and why your doing it. This is what makes all the people who are advocates of defoliation look bad and not know what they are doing and why so many people get upset when they see a beautiful plant getting chopped up based on a novices blind intuition.

This is how you defoliate properly:



Not this: This picture below is from one of your reference sites by the way. The title of this guys ICmag pic is 12 oz diesel lmao. This is maybe 4 oz and I'm being nice. Not only did it take him a month longer, he got a lot less than 2 plants in the same area would have.

woody333333 said:

thats fukn retarded.........whats wrong w you?

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As I thought, ignorant.

Mr.Vega said:

Im kinda confused as to whats up w the plant...I respect ur efforts but u cant believe everything u see n read...I used to buy into that defoliating shit when I first started...I thought hell yeah makes sense to me...id trim my leaves n see my shoots go crazy n thought hell yeah this is working. ..til the buds came...smallest yield ive ever had...god put those leaves on the plant for a reason...they absorb energy for the plant....I have a plant in three weeks flowering same as urs this very moment...here's my three week buds...View attachment 2785095View attachment 2785102View attachment 2785103View attachment 2785104...w cfls...View attachment 2785105....here she is on 7/30 at almost a week floweringView attachment 2785106....not trying to b Mr. DISCOURAGEMENT or anything...I made the same mistake once too n have learned from it...on three plants same strain same veg time n all....I defoliated one...lollipopped another and just topped n bent the other...trying training out...I got over two zips on the just topped n bent one...two ozs on the lollipop and an ounce n a half off the defoliated

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I don't believe everything I read and I agree with leaves being the plant factory; that's why i'm trying it for myself. Also please bear in mind this is one test plant (organic) under ONLY 8k lumens. I don't expect a monster yield, just experimenting with the method. Thanks for your share though, some good looking plants.

Mr.Vega said:

but if u think abt it...does it look like the buds absorb light n energy or the leaves....look at the mechanics of the plant..energy comes in thru the leaves and is manifested in flowers.

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Agreed, that's what they taught us in science class. On that note: I'd really like to challenge that by covering a flowering branch with a light proof covering and see if it maintains the same growth as the one next to it. I love experimenting.

Situation420 said:

NO defoliation is the selective removal of fan leaves and other plant canopy material. You are doing it wrong and severely stunting your plants and limiting their growth potential. This is not a good example of how to defoliate properly.

This thread is a copy of another defoliating thread technique from another site, I have read it before. There is no reason to why you are removing the fan leaves you are besides all of them or none of them and that is stupid. The plants need the fan leaves and you are taking too many away too fast. There are specific stages where certain leaves have to be removed along with specific branches and certain non-true leaves.

EDIT: Don't make a thread on defoliation unless you know how it works and why your doing it. This is what makes all the people who are advocates of defoliation look bad and not know what they are doing and why so many people get upset when they see a beautiful plant getting chopped up based on a novices blind intuition.

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Then whats the purpose of testing out something for yourself if you're going to follow a already outlined method with prior success. I have read the intervals they most suggest, I am experimenting outside the box and seeing what interesting shit happens. If it yields 1/2 an ounce I'm not out anything and have gained experience. I'm not sure what other thread you are referring to this is my only one of the type. Lastly, you need to chill. I will do what I want when I want with my own plants. If you cant contribute to the "science project" and don't like it. You can shove off; in the nicest way possible.


I glad everyone decided to jump in now and comment. This is what I was looking for! I am very interested in any out of the box ideas.

I forgot to post an update. Here is 4 weeks since sex and 6 weeks since 12/12.

your plant at 5 weeks is very small/weak... i understand its cause you defoliated so theyre stunted but think about what they look like if you were not stunted for an entire week.

the way i look at things, if there is a top with huge fan leafs(tops always block bottom) then you tie it down and get 3 more tops and you origional comes back up again to make another top... plants always get crouded but you can also always grab a branch and tie it downward then the one accross from it and tie it downward and bam! now your entire middle of plants have light to stretch for. ontop of that you didnt loose any time to stress.

finally, purple stems ive learned comes from stress and out of ordinary conditions... you lower temps in last weeks of flower an they purple. your stress your plant with light times ect then it will purple the stem.

i too have had 2 defoliated plants out of my 12. all in perfect conditions for enviroment. i yeild over a zip or 2 less on those 2 plants. the buds were smaller then ones with fan leafs... the white hairs matured a week early on defoliated whereas, the hairs stayed white on others and the calyxs were just blowing up in size...

it was night and day what defoliating did to my plants.

ricky6991 said:

finally, purple stems ive learned comes from stress and out of ordinary conditions... you lower temps in last weeks of flower an they purple. your stress your plant with light times ect then it will purple the stem..

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What do you mean by this, are you saying they are supposed to be purple is there a reason you do that? Her stems are greener than grass. I believe because I started young it is not considered "stress" to her but just a "minor setback".

The trick to tying down is to know how long to do it for, if you tie it down for to long and dont release it at the right time that bud will stop growing the way it would have. Your plants arn't stressed, they are retarded. You removed all the growth hormones from the plant and created a huge hormonal imbalance severely stunting your crop.

If you're going to do a science project, try to understand the science first. You are not gaining anything besides cause and effect direct observation data. You are not going to learn anything besides what you are doing is not working out. Do a little more research before you go on your scientific endeavors next time. If i was experimenting atleast i would like to understand whats going on besides just seeing it.

Also, you referenced 4 other science projects in which you are following their instructions, so how is this your own individual experiment? On all of those threads no one did it right, so what are you doing besides recreating a failed experiment with bolstered results. Proper defoliation technique takes a strong bio/horticulture background and years of experience. You are not going to learn in the next 10 years from experimenting, there are too many variables and it is too high risk to learn on your own in just one grow.

Situation420 said:

The trick to tying down is to know how long to do it for, if you tie it down for to long and dont release it at the right time that bud will stop growing the way it would have. Your plants arn't stressed, they are retarded. You removed all the growth hormones from the plant and created a huge hormonal imbalance severely stunting your crop.

If you're going to do a science project, try to understand the science first. You are not gaining anything besides cause and effect direct observation data. You are not going to learn anything besides what you are doing is not working out. Do a little more research before you go on your scientific endeavors next time. If i was experimenting atleast i would like to understand whats going on besides just seeing it.

Also, you referenced 4 other science projects in which you are following their instructions, so how is this your own individual experiment? On all of those threads no one did it right, so what are you doing besides recreating a failed experiment with bolstered results. Proper defoliation technique takes a strong bio/horticulture background and years of experience. You are not going to learn in the next 10 years from experimenting, there are too many variables and it is too high risk to learn on your own in just one grow.

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I understand what I'm doing or not doing. Scientific facts change every day, not first before someone challenges them.

It's not quite the same as there's but I have to get the base idea from somewhere and just because you or them have tried it doesn't mean I don't want to.

BluJayz said:

Scientific facts change every day

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LMAOOOO name one, just one, that changed in the last 10 years lololol.

C mon man your not bsing anyone but yourself, you have no clue what you are doing.

Explain what you are doing and not doing too im trying to help you out because your so off base

I don't care to play with you. We can call the facts, refined or better understood if you don't like "changed".

I haven't read one thing about you trying to help. Discussing other methods when I'm experimenting with defoliation doesn't help me understand it more. I know how to tie down leaves, I want to hear about defoliation and ideas going forward.

My do/not do is in reference to listening in school when they taught photosynthesis and plants. I am aware of how it is supposed to work and that I may or may not be challenging that at times.

BluJayz said:

I don't care to play with you. We can call the facts, refined or better understood if you don't like "changed".

I haven't read one thing about you trying to help. Discussing other methods when I'm experimenting with defoliation doesn't help me understand it more. I know how to tie down leaves, I want to hear about defoliation and ideas going forward.

My do/not do is in reference to listening in school when they taught photosynthesis and plants. I am aware of how it is supposed to work and that I may or may not be challenging that at times.

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Look into all the hormones and chemical processes in plants then you will be on your way. There is a lot more than photosynthesis that is going on.