Kind LED grow = Apollo led rebranded ??

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

See those sales people here , they are unhappy with what I post . I am curious about their behavior . So many people here , they especially seem care more about what I post. Hgrow = Happy Grow . They said I am so-called Cammie . Fuck ! If I said that some Chinese LED grow lights quality are really bad , you guys trust what i said . How Can I prove what I said is true , photoes .
They only have words .

skunkd0c · Apr 19, 2014

At the start of this thread a more balanced view IMO was presented by Alpha & Omega
who agreed that the build quality may suffer somewhat with Chinese/re branded lights but the lights can be fixed easy
you both agreed they can grow nice plants
he posted pictures of his plants and you got upset ?
you then accused him of working for an LED company ?

i am sorry i do not trust your motivations
you seem to want to accuse anyone who has anything at all positive to say
even those who seem to have experience and provide pictures of their grows

you are only interested in the negative, this is not a balanced view and is not helpful to growers thinking of investing in an LED light
real growers using the lights and sharing the experience is what is needed
where are your plants ?

you say your motivation is to warn people, you have done that
so what makes you continue to rant ?

KineBoisin420 · Apr 19, 2014

The problem, Hgrow, is that you stated your point a few hundred posts back.

People on these forums tend to get annoyed when one hijacks other peoples' threads, and constantly spams multiple threads with the same identical points/photos/emails/whatever. Also, when you use other peoples' photos/emails/etc..., instead of showing your own personal photos, people here get annoyed, especially when you use their photos in your posts.

Its not what you are saying that is annoying people...well now it is, but because of your repeated actions, not the content of your message.

Most people on here are savvy enough to know the potential issues with chinese LED's, including Apollo lights and others. Hell, if you actually bothered to search the forums here, you'd see many RIU members discussing these very points.

You've made yourself loud and clear...thank you Hgrow. Now please sod off.

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

skunkd0c said:
At the start of this thread a more balanced view IMO was presented by Alpha & Omega
who agreed that the build quality may suffer somewhat with Chinese/re branded lights but the lights can be fixed easy
you both agreed they can grow nice plants
he posted pictures of his plants and you got upset ?
you then accused him of working for an LED company ?
i amsorry i do not trust your motivations
you seem to want to accuse anyone who has anything at all positive to say
even those who seem to have experience and provide pictures of their grows
you are only interested in the negative, this is not a balanced view and is not helpful to growers thinking of investing in an LED light
real growers using the lights and sharing the experience is what is needed
where are your plants ?
you say your motivation is to warn people, you have done that
so what makes you continue to rant ?

Actually , I don't need your trust . Here is the problem :
Could you tell me or new LED growers here , how to know which LED Grow lights are good quality ones ?
How do we know that ? They all say that they have 3 years warranty . Their 3 years warranty is within 3 years no problem ???
Or just send replacements within 3 years warranty?? Hey ,please let me or people here know how to choose one real good quality LED grow light ?

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

KineBoisin420 said:
The problem, Hgrow, is that you stated your point a few hundred posts back.

People on these forums tend to get annoyed when one hijacks other peoples' threads, and constantly spams multiple threads with the same identical points/photos/emails/whatever. Also, when you use other peoples' photos/emails/etc..., instead of showing your own personal photos, people here get annoyed, especially when you use their photos in your posts.

Its not what you are saying that is annoying people...well now it is, but because of your repeated actions, not the content of your message.

Most people on here are savvy enough to know the potential issues with chinese LED's, including Apollo lights and others. Hell, if you actually bothered to search the forums here, you'd see many RIU members discussing these very points.

You've made yourself loud and clear...thank you Hgrow. Now please sod off.

OK, Here is the same problem : How to choose the real good one LED grow light for our Growing ??
Could you tell me or new LED growers here , how to know which LED Grow lights are good quality ones ?
How do we know that ? They all say that they have 3 years warranty . Their 3 years warranty is within 3 years no problem ???
Or just send replacements within 3 years warranty?? Hey ,please let me or people here know how to choose one real good quality LED grow light ?

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

How to know that those LED chips LED grow light manufacturers use are really good ones ?? How to know that the LED drivers they use are good quality , no worry about we don't get what we pay ? They all told us that their LED grow lights with 3 years warranty . How can you let us know that they are really good ones and deserve our cost ??
What I am doing is to let people know that or avoid the lie ? But those sales people here is unhappy with my posts .
If anyone can answer those questions , the growers here all trust the answers , then I won't post any photoes here .

KineBoisin420 · Apr 19, 2014

If you actually bother to read and participate in these forums, you'll glean these answers yourself, friend.

skunkd0c · Apr 19, 2014

Hgrow said:
My motivatiion is to let people know that Chinese LED grow lights are not really good like they think .

You want to warn the members of RIU which includes me about the problems with Chinese led lights .. thanks .. now what ?

Hgrow said:
Actually , I don't need your trust .

How do you expect to get your message across if you are not trusted ?

you even at one point suggested if i were to buy a Chinese LED my house might catch fire
you are over doing it to the point where you seem demented

people will learn what leds to purchase through informed research personal testing
with some trial and error thrown into the mix
perhaps recommendations from reputable people they TRUST who at least provide a balanced view and pictures of plants

i do not know why you are so shy about admitting which LED lights you are selling
i guess you have one user name to trash the competition and another user name
to promote your lights lol

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

KineBoisin420 said:
If you actually bother to read and participate in these forums, you'll glean these answers yourself, friend.

Answer me in detail . NOt like this .

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

skunkd0c said:
You want to warn the members of RIU which includes me about the problems with Chinese led lights .. thanks .. now what ?
How do you expect to get your message across if you are not trusted ?
you even at one point suggested if i were to buy a Chinese LED my house might catch fire
you are over doing it to the point where you seem demented
people will learn what leds to purchase through informed research personal testing
with some trial and error thrown into the mix
perhaps recommendations from reputable people they TRUST who at least provide a balanced view and pictures of plants
i do not know why you are so shy about admitting which LED lights you are selling
i guess you have one user name to trash the competition and another user name
to promote your lights lol

OK , I don't want to argue with you guys . Please answer my questions in details .

skunkd0c · Apr 19, 2014

Provide pictures of your personal grows using the Chinese lights and the lights you are selling/recommending
this would be a step in the right direction towards you gaining some credibility

do you spend equal time promoting/recommending lights
if so, which lights and where do you advertise ?

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

skunkd0c said:
Provide pictures of your personal grows using the Chinese lights and the lights you are selling/recommending
this would be a step in the right direction towards you gaining some credibility

do you spend equal time promoting/recommending lights
if so, which lights and where do you advertise ?

It seems that you still don't answer my questions .

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

skunkd0c said:
Provide pictures of your personal grows using the Chinese lights and the lights you are selling/recommending
this would be a step in the right direction towards you gaining some credibility
do you spend equal time promoting/recommending lights
if so, which lights and where do you advertise ?

Could you please answer my questions ??
Have you ever seen Failed California Lightworks Solarflare LED, Lumigrow LED , Area 51 LED , Apache LED PICTURES ? For their price : It seems that their price is higher than Chinese LED , they use high quality LED chips ( Real Cree , Oscram led chips ) , Chinese LED grow lights with cheap led chips .

That's why their Chinese LED grow lights have high failed rate ,most of their LED grow light or rebranded led grow light failed within in one year or several monthes .

skunkd0c · Apr 19, 2014

You seem to be forgetting this is your thread your story why are you even asking me questions ?

which lights are you selling ?
why have you not posted pictures of your personal grow ?
why are you avoiding my questions by asking questions yourself ?

you are the thread starter here, you have presented a case that Chinese led lights are dangerous
surely you understand it's your story that must stand up to scrutiny ?

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

skunkd0c said:
You seem to be forgetting this is your thread your story why are you even asking me questions ?
which lights are you selling ?
why have you not posted pictures of your personal grow ?
why are you avoiding my questions by asking questions yourself ?
you are the thread starter here, you have presented a case that led lights are dangerous
surely you understand it's your story that must stand up to scrutiny ?

Sorry ,man . You ask the questions first . If you can answer , I will answer you all .
Could you please answer my questions ??
Have you ever seen Failed California Lightworks Solarflare LED, Lumigrow LED , Area 51 LED , Apache LED PICTURES ? For their price : It seems that their price is higher than Chinese LED , they use high quality LED chips ( Real Cree , Oscram led chips ) , Chinese LED grow lights with cheap led chips .

That's why their Chinese LED grow lights have high failed rate ,most of their LED grow light or rebranded led grow light failed within in one year or several monthes .

Hgrow · Apr 19, 2014

skunkd0c said:
You seem to be forgetting this is your thread your story why are you even asking me questions ?

which lights are you selling ?
why have you not posted pictures of your personal grow ?
why are you avoiding my questions by asking questions yourself ?

you are the thread starter here, you have presented a case that Chinese led lights are dangerous
surely you understand it's your story that must stand up to scrutiny ?

Here is the same problem : How to choose the real good one LED grow light for our Growing ??
Could you tell me or new LED growers here , how to know which LED Grow lights are good quality ones ?
How do we know that ? They all say that they have 3 years warranty . Their 3 years warranty is within 3 years no problem ???
Or just send replacements within 3 years warranty?? Hey ,please let me or people here know how to choose one real good quality LED grow light ?
That's we all want to know ,man .

skunkd0c · Apr 19, 2014

Why are you re-posting this nonsense.

Alpha & Omega · Apr 20, 2014

Ohhh i couldnt resist, had to reply,

Us Salesman? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and more ha ha ha ha ha ha ha,,no infact im a IT specialist, contracting for the biggest IT companys in London.
My job? im a Field Service Hardware & Software Engineer, have been for the last 20 years. OK?

See? the clue is in my title, ENGINEER!!! not salesman, commission based salary has NEVER been my main income.

So I make enough money for me, my wife, three kids from that. NOT LED's, are you serious? do you know how much it is to Keep two teenager girls in clothes and makeup? lol
Jeees next thing this idiot will be asking for is my Curriculum Vitae (bet 'it' doesn't even know what that means either! lol)

Nice post Skunk Bro! & cheers for your support, yeah I was just putting across my point from a engineering and growing point of view,
you've been very civil with this fool and yet, he/she/cammie/ledgirl/it still doesn't want to give us all a straight answer
just wild accusations of being sales people.

Do other LED's fail? of course they do!! NO led in the world has a 0% failure rate. FACT.

You mention Apache Tech etc.... yeah they are good LED people, But of course they have failures, Do you really Think they would take pictures of their LED failures and post them for all to see? NO!!!!!! of course they wont, that would be tragic for them cos people like you would jump on them like you are now.

So, they deal with the problem quietly and efficiently, Ive never heard of a LED supplier advertising their LED's by their failure rate with pictures for fuck sake.
that's just pure insanity. Well, when suppliers like you mentioned DO get a customer problem, they sort it and sort it quickly.
So I don't know what kind of experience you have had but I haver NEVER been fobbed off, if I had a fault, I was dealt with professionally.

Maybe I was the lucky one? I don't know....I just learnt how to repair these things myself so I didn't have to get upset by being ignored etc...

Tis better to move onwards & upwards then sit on a forum, crying like a baby about faulty LED's etc...

Anyway, are those all your LED's??? wow, if so , you have a lot don't ya? Send em all to me if you hate them so much, i'll rebuild them
and GIVE THEM AWAY to members on here! k? FOR FREE!!!

did ya hear me?

GIVE THEM AWAY FOR FREE TO MEMBERS ON HERE!!!!

let us all have a go at repairing them and seeing what they can grow eh?

Nuff said I think,

Happy Easter Everyone aswell, including you Cam, go eat ya choccy eggs, that'll cheer you up.

Alpha & Omega · Apr 20, 2014

oh and as an extra treat for your thread Happy Cam, as you have no real growing pictures with LEDs'

Heres a few pictures of REAL grows under different LED's k? just for you, so you can learn what MJ really looks like and grows like, something which you will never be able to do yourself.

Oh and Lumini Tech have been informed of you aswell seeing as he met you last year in china.
Your reputation is now contaminating you all over the world now, well done!

Your running out of friends everywhere. Cammie no mates. just making more enemies, go start up magnum led again, ill help you out!

Photonics DS-90 OSRAM LED test grow. Black Jack Auto, 20 L airpot