Kelp Extract & Fulvic Acid Solution For Clones

fearnoevil · Oct 7, 2016

Where growing is concerned, I'm normally open to new ideas, provided of course they are based in sound scientific theory, so this looks promising. While browsing Youtube I came across some videos by a Dr. Harley Smith which were very informative and raised some interesting questions.

Fyi, he works for NPK Industries, which somehow I've not heard of until now, so he is selling something, but still lots of interesting info in this in-depth cloning tutorial

and I especially liked the bit about how to grow better mother plants which will have tighter nodes which is of course better for clone selection.

Around the 40 minute mark he brings up the idea of a foliar spray consisting of kelp extract and fulvic acid along with a yucca-based wetting agent, which btw is a very good idea, but you can CHEAPLY substitute a drop or two of baby shampoo (or simple, maybe an organic, dish detergent).

He suggests spraying the mom with this a week or two before taking cuttings to energize them so they'll have more energy/nutrients in the plant tissue to utilize for root growth. And what I like is his comment that this can be used on clones themselves, but his anecdotal account didn't say much about when, just that they tried it on some sickly looking clones, which then recovered and had roots popping out of the rw cube a couple of days later.

So the question is, does anyone have any XP using this type of solution? Always looking for a way to improve my cloning tech, especially post surgical recovery as I still have problems from time to time, although again as he mentioned early on, it may also be from taking clones too early, since small wimpy cuts don't have enough energy to be able to grow roots, which makes sense.

fearnoevil · Oct 7, 2016

So knowing that kelp extract contains natural auxins that stimulate root formation, he recommends feeding this to your mother plant, along with fulvic acid which he says boosts uptake. He claims you can cut clone root development time by as much as half doing this.

fearnoevil · Oct 10, 2016

Nothing, no opinions on this? I've got some kelp extract and fulvic acid in the mail, and I've got a couple of mom's I'll give this a try on in a few weeks when I'm ready for the next batch. If this does what the Dr.Smith claims I'll post back with my results.

Has anyone else watched any of Harley Smith's videos? Kinda long but at least the first couple I've watched have been informative.

fearnoevil · Oct 10, 2016

I'm especially curious about spraying this stuff on freshly cut clones (or if not fresh, sometime between cutting and seeing roots). Does anyone else do this???

ruwtz · Oct 12, 2016

Good find. I took a lot from this.

Bareback · Oct 16, 2016

I can't wait to see your results compared to Dr Smith. How long before you give it go. And do you think you could take us along for ride, l mean step x step . Keep us posted and good luck.

b4ds33d · Oct 16, 2016

fearnoevil said:
Nothing, no opinions on this? I've got some kelp extract and fulvic acid in the mail, and I've got a couple of mom's I'll give this a try on in a few weeks when I'm ready for the next batch. If this does what the Dr.Smith claims I'll post back with my results.

Has anyone else watched any of Harley Smith's videos? Kinda long but at least the first couple I've watched have been informative.

a few months back i posted about his guy. he's pretty on point with the science of horticulture, and he's one of the main reasons i decided to get a horticulture degree. so much cutting edge technology goes into growing plants over in europe, too bad we don't have the same respect for the profession here in the states.

fearnoevil · Oct 17, 2016

Bareback said:
I can't wait to see your results compared to Dr Smith. How long before you give it go. And do you think you could take us along for ride, l mean step x step . Keep us posted and good luck.

I think this new crop will be ready for cloning in about 3-4 weeks (I'm going to follow Smith's advice and wait until the girls are at least 2 months old.

But yeah, I'm excited to try something new, so looking forward to using this. I'll make sure I run a few control clones using my previous method for side by side comparisons, that's the only way to know if it actually makes a dif. I'll post back to this thread when I have the results.

Also anyone else who wants to help figure this out is also welcome to do so, the more the merrier ;?)

budman111 · Oct 22, 2016

fearnoevil said:
Where growing is concerned, I'm normally open to new ideas, provided of course they are based in sound scientific theory, so this looks promising. While browsing Youtube I came across some videos by a Dr. Harley Smith which were very informative and raised some interesting questions.

Fyi, he works for NPK Industries, which somehow I've not heard of until now, so he is selling something, but still lots of interesting info in this in-depth cloning tutorial

and I especially liked the bit about how to grow better mother plants which will have tighter nodes which is of course better for clone selection.

Around the 40 minute mark he brings up the idea of a foliar spray consisting of kelp extract and fulvic acid along with a yucca-based wetting agent, which btw is a very good idea, but you can CHEAPLY substitute a drop or two of baby shampoo (or simple, maybe an organic, dish detergent).

He suggests spraying the mom with this a week or two before taking cuttings to energize them so they'll have more energy/nutrients in the plant tissue to utilize for root growth. And what I like is his comment that this can be used on clones themselves, but his anecdotal account didn't say much about when, just that they tried it on some sickly looking clones, which then recovered and had roots popping out of the rw cube a couple of days later.

So the question is, does anyone have any XP using this type of solution? Always looking for a way to improve my cloning tech, especially post surgical recovery as I still have problems from time to time, although again as he mentioned early on, it may also be from taking clones too early, since small wimpy cuts don't have enough energy to be able to grow roots, which makes sense.

just get Root Riot cubes and its all clones and seedlings need.

fearnoevil · Oct 22, 2016

budman111 said:
just get Root Riot cubes and its all clones and seedlings need.

Sorry, but unless the innoculant is kelp and fulvic acid, then this information is not useful to the discussion.

I am specifically addressing new (at least to me) information regarding the advantages of kelp and fulvic acid as described in Dr. Smiths video. I don't know if you watched it, but it also applies to use on mother plants in order to improve cloning success and possibly decrease turnaround time between taking cuttings..

rob333 · Oct 22, 2016

fearnoevil said:
Where growing is concerned, I'm normally open to new ideas, provided of course they are based in sound scientific theory, so this looks promising. While browsing Youtube I came across some videos by a Dr. Harley Smith which were very informative and raised some interesting questions.

Fyi, he works for NPK Industries, which somehow I've not heard of until now, so he is selling something, but still lots of interesting info in this in-depth cloning tutorial

and I especially liked the bit about how to grow better mother plants which will have tighter nodes which is of course better for clone selection.

Around the 40 minute mark he brings up the idea of a foliar spray consisting of kelp extract and fulvic acid along with a yucca-based wetting agent, which btw is a very good idea, but you can CHEAPLY substitute a drop or two of baby shampoo (or simple, maybe an organic, dish detergent).

He suggests spraying the mom with this a week or two before taking cuttings to energize them so they'll have more energy/nutrients in the plant tissue to utilize for root growth. And what I like is his comment that this can be used on clones themselves, but his anecdotal account didn't say much about when, just that they tried it on some sickly looking clones, which then recovered and had roots popping out of the rw cube a couple of days later.

So the question is, does anyone have any XP using this type of solution? Always looking for a way to improve my cloning tech, especially post surgical recovery as I still have problems from time to time, although again as he mentioned early on, it may also be from taking clones too early, since small wimpy cuts don't have enough energy to be able to grow roots, which makes sense.

with side burns like that i would trust any one with sideburns like that fulvic and humic acids will mutate the clone i use it from start and i get all sorts of weird shit going on like leaves growing from the base of fan leaves 2 buds growing in weird spots

fearnoevil · Oct 22, 2016

rob333 said:
with side burns like that i would trust any one with sideburns like that fulvic and humic acids will mutate the clone i use it from start and i get all sorts of weird shit going on like leaves growing from the base of fan leaves 2 buds growing in weird spots

Did you follow the same ratio (5 parts fulvic to 2 parts seaweed extract) and amounts as Smith? His work seems to prove otherwise, and btw I'm only using fulvic since as a foliar spray, they are more readily absorbed through leaves as opposed to humic which I believe needs to be applied to the medium. Here's a quote from bioag.com which echos what Smith talked about:

"Because of its small molecular size, fulvic acid is able to penetrate the leaf and even the mitochondria of a cell which makes it great for foliar sprays and root drenches. By comparison humic acid is a fantastic soil conditioner and better for dry broad cast and soil/soil-less application."

And this from maximumyield.com:

"Humic and fulvic acids work even better when combined with seaweed extracts. Seaweed extracts are loaded with natural plant-growth hormones such as auxins and cytokinins. Humic and fulvic acids hold onto the auxins in an exchangeable form to amplify their effects on plants. In fact, Virginia Tech’s 10-year study on organic biostimulants found that five parts of humic acid combined with two parts of seaweed extracts worked 50% better than either product alone. If you want more lateral root growth and more root mass, you can easily make your own humic acid and kelp root stimulant.

Fulvic acid foliar sprays make a great tonic for sick clones, especially when combined with kelp. If your cuttings are slow to root, or if the leaves start to turn yellow and fall off, try using a fine mist of fulvic acid and seaweed at the recommended 5:2 ratio. Rooting hormones are actually made by plants in the leaves and transported to the roots to initiate new growth, so a foliar spray with fulvic acid and kelp is fast-acting when absorbed by the leaves. Research shows that plants start to respond to fulvic acids in as little as four hours, and vigorous root growth and stress recovery is often evident in as little as two days. Before you give up on your precious seedlings or clones, try a little fulvic acid tonic first."

Also, and possibly more important, imo, is what Smith says about using this to pre-treat your Moms prior to taking clones. His data shows marked improvement of clone viability when they've been "energized" by this pre-treatment. This is the data that I'm looking for validation on.

fearnoevil · Oct 22, 2016

Also Rob333, aside from the mutations, do you notice better/faster root growth? What's your general survival rate/percentage? And do the mutations eventually go away or do they persist (although if they did, that would suggest some sort of damage to the underlying DNA I would think, right?)?

b4ds33d · Oct 22, 2016

rob333 said:
with side burns like that i would trust any one with sideburns like that fulvic and humic acids will mutate the clone i use it from start and i get all sorts of weird shit going on like leaves growing from the base of fan leaves 2 buds growing in weird spots

someone with your grasp on the english language calling into question a well-known expert on horticulture is completely laughable. git gud son.

budman111 · Oct 23, 2016

fearnoevil said:
Sorry, but unless the innoculant is kelp and fulvic acid, then this information is not useful to the discussion.

..

Probably not, but a seasoned grower does not need any ;-)

rob333 · Oct 23, 2016

fearnoevil said:
Did you follow the same ratio (5 parts fulvic to 2 parts seaweed extract) and amounts as Smith? His work seems to prove otherwise, and btw I'm only using fulvic since as a foliar spray, they are more readily absorbed through leaves as opposed to humic which I believe needs to be applied to the medium. Here's a quote from bioag.com which echos what Smith talked about:

"Because of its small molecular size, fulvic acid is able to penetrate the leaf and even the mitochondria of a cell which makes it great for foliar sprays and root drenches. By comparison humic acid is a fantastic soil conditioner and better for dry broad cast and soil/soil-less application."

And this from maximumyield.com:

"Humic and fulvic acids work even better when combined with seaweed extracts. Seaweed extracts are loaded with natural plant-growth hormones such as auxins and cytokinins. Humic and fulvic acids hold onto the auxins in an exchangeable form to amplify their effects on plants. In fact, Virginia Tech’s 10-year study on organic biostimulants found that five parts of humic acid combined with two parts of seaweed extracts worked 50% better than either product alone. If you want more lateral root growth and more root mass, you can easily make your own humic acid and kelp root stimulant.

Fulvic acid foliar sprays make a great tonic for sick clones, especially when combined with kelp. If your cuttings are slow to root, or if the leaves start to turn yellow and fall off, try using a fine mist of fulvic acid and seaweed at the recommended 5:2 ratio. Rooting hormones are actually made by plants in the leaves and transported to the roots to initiate new growth, so a foliar spray with fulvic acid and kelp is fast-acting when absorbed by the leaves. Research shows that plants start to respond to fulvic acids in as little as four hours, and vigorous root growth and stress recovery is often evident in as little as two days. Before you give up on your precious seedlings or clones, try a little fulvic acid tonic first."

Also, and possibly more important, imo, is what Smith says about using this to pre-treat your Moms prior to taking clones. His data shows marked improvement of clone viability when they've been "energized" by this pre-treatment. This is the data that I'm looking for validation on.

good read mate i have nerver used fulvic as a folar as i always apply to my medium i get weird growth only when they are young one thing i do notice with young clones that do have a nice uptake of fulvic do get a few weird node growths and the big thing i do notice is the 12-15 leaf fan leaves with most the leaf comming from the middle of the fan leaves but when i flower i also notice weird bud growth like buds out of the mains stems and i have had buds produce on fan leaves which is odd but by week 4-5 they have bulked that much you do not notice but for survival rates i do not notice any difference from clones that have fulvic to clones that don't but as for root production yes i would say roots do produce quicker with fulic humic acid then one that dont also they plants by week 2-3 of veg a so strong and a heavy green so yes i would say the fulic helps for sure

rob333 · Oct 23, 2016

fearnoevil said:
Did you follow the same ratio (5 parts fulvic to 2 parts seaweed extract) and amounts as Smith? His work seems to prove otherwise, and btw I'm only using fulvic since as a foliar spray, they are more readily absorbed through leaves as opposed to humic which I believe needs to be applied to the medium. Here's a quote from bioag.com which echos what Smith talked about:

"Because of its small molecular size, fulvic acid is able to penetrate the leaf and even the mitochondria of a cell which makes it great for foliar sprays and root drenches. By comparison humic acid is a fantastic soil conditioner and better for dry broad cast and soil/soil-less application."

And this from maximumyield.com:

"Humic and fulvic acids work even better when combined with seaweed extracts. Seaweed extracts are loaded with natural plant-growth hormones such as auxins and cytokinins. Humic and fulvic acids hold onto the auxins in an exchangeable form to amplify their effects on plants. In fact, Virginia Tech’s 10-year study on organic biostimulants found that five parts of humic acid combined with two parts of seaweed extracts worked 50% better than either product alone. If you want more lateral root growth and more root mass, you can easily make your own humic acid and kelp root stimulant.

Fulvic acid foliar sprays make a great tonic for sick clones, especially when combined with kelp. If your cuttings are slow to root, or if the leaves start to turn yellow and fall off, try using a fine mist of fulvic acid and seaweed at the recommended 5:2 ratio. Rooting hormones are actually made by plants in the leaves and transported to the roots to initiate new growth, so a foliar spray with fulvic acid and kelp is fast-acting when absorbed by the leaves. Research shows that plants start to respond to fulvic acids in as little as four hours, and vigorous root growth and stress recovery is often evident in as little as two days. Before you give up on your precious seedlings or clones, try a little fulvic acid tonic first."

Also, and possibly more important, imo, is what Smith says about using this to pre-treat your Moms prior to taking clones. His data shows marked improvement of clone viability when they've been "energized" by this pre-treatment. This is the data that I'm looking for validation on.

i still don't trust that guys sideburns tho

b4ds33d · Oct 23, 2016

rob333 said:
i have no time for grammer nazis how bout you fuck off if u aint gunna add any input you cock spank

not a grammar nazi in the least. i'm simply stating don't harsh a dude that is an industry expert when you clearly couldn't think your way out of the 3rd grade. name calling BTW- the true mark of a great mind.

rob333 · Oct 23, 2016

b4ds33d said:
not a grammar nazi in the least. i'm simply stating don't harsh a dude that is an industry expert when you clearly couldn't think your way out of the 3rd grade. name calling BTW- the true mark of a great mind.

jesus you must have sideburns like him to get all up in my ares jesus u are a cocksucker like i said if u aint got anyinput on the humic fulic acid chat fuck off or other wise lets here your input about fulvic acid

rob333 · Oct 23, 2016

b4ds33d said:
not a grammar nazi in the least. i'm simply stating don't harsh a dude that is an industry expert when you clearly couldn't think your way out of the 3rd grade. name calling BTW- the true mark of a great mind.

also you must be thick as fuck name calling are you fucking serious or you one of these new age guys that get a period everytime someone cracks a joke

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