Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

Tom Ammiano to the rescue again! He just wrote an assembly bill that fixes all the flaws in prop 19 if it's passed. This solve almost all of everyone's reasonable concerns with prop 19.

Makes medical patients exempt from prop 19 in every way. (no taxes on 215!)
Makes unlawfully cultivation a misdemeanor instead of a felony.
Increases limits from an ounce to a pound.
Makes possession of more than a pound a $100 fine.
Decriminalizes for those under 21.

So the problem is solved. Now we can all vote for prop 19.

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/abx6_9_bill_20100921_introduced.html

Good luck. I've posted a few threads with nothing but facts, I bet the same people who swear up and down that prop 19 will limit their medical grow haven't changed their minds at all.

mr2shim said:

Good luck. I've posted a few threads with nothing but facts, I bet the same people who swear up and down that prop 19 will limit their medical grow haven't changed their minds at all.

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This amendment insures medical marijuana is exempt in every way. So, problem solved.

Hopefully you guys out in cali get this thing passed. It will be a huge step forward and get the wheels turning for the rest of the states.

Banditt said:

Hopefully you guys out in cali get this thing passed. It will be a huge step forward and get the wheels turning for the rest of the states.

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I agree with you...http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2010/oct/07/obama_may_soon_be_forced_embrace

You honestly think this will persuade the "No" crowd?

The far majority of them are voting no because of one thing .... profits.

tc1 said:

You honestly think this will persuade the "No" crowd?

The far majority if them are voting no because of one thing .... profits.

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^^^^^ EXACTLY They love being in a position to sell and not have competition amongst other home growers.

tc1 said:

You honestly think this will persuade the "No" crowd?

The far majority of them are voting no because of one thing .... profits.

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Oh I know. They've pretty much lost the argument already. Just trying to bring their credibility level from very low to zero. Hoping some of the people who have bought into their BS will open the link and read Ammiano's senate bill. It pretty much eliminates legally all the anti-prop 19 arguments.

Serapis said:

^^^^^ EXACTLY They love being in a position to sell and not have competition amongst other home growers.

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Check this lady out. Making up non-sense about prop 19 while standing in front of her large commercial crop. lol. Not hard to figure out why she's against it.

[video=youtube;UufMpt7Om2E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UufMpt7Om2E[/video]

You'd have to really work at it to sound like any more of a crackpot then she does here.

^^^So prop 19 guarantees that there will be chemicals in your weed thats some funny shit. at the end of the vid it looks like shes about to bust out laughing she probably cant believe the shit spewing from her own mouth.

Ha, made it even more obvious for the "no on 19" dicks that 215 isn't affected. Watch assholes on the forums spew out bullshit to try and convince people to stick with their product. Why anyone wouldn't want weed to be legal is beyond me. Weed should be grown for the love of getting high... not for the love of money.

Well shit...I guess we'll just see how it turns out...

mccumcumber said:

Ha, made it even more obvious for the "no on 19" dicks that 215 isn't affected. Watch assholes on the forums spew out bullshit to try and convince people to stick with their product. Why anyone wouldn't want weed to be legal is beyond me. Weed should be grown for the love of getting high... not for the love of money.

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Greed is in fact the root of all evil. It corrupts everyone. Even pot heads.. It's crazy. More people in Cali that are on 215 need your thinking.

tc1 said:

You honestly think this will persuade the "No" crowd?

The far majority of them are voting no because of one thing .... profits.

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even though your a dick to the pot smoking community, ill give you props for at least admitting your in it for the money, not like other users here who hide behind being compassionate when you can flat out see their motives by what they say.

and if you want to make money im for that. but at least be legit about it and not run along the market prices of the blackmarket. THAT alone is complete bs. you'd be treated like any small brewery or wine pro. you'd still have your cult following if your really producing the good buds.

farmers markets > grocery stores

as for that video, i donno i could maybe agree with the chemical thing that maybe big business would resort to chemicals to 'mass produce'. could they be bad? not really but produce in the grocery store DOES get sprayed right? even our protein products have been enhanced. see so you stingy home growers need to just make your shit official so we can continue to support you as well as giving EVERYONE the chance to enjoy the great plant stress free.

NOW to play devils advocate, maybe if it does go to big business they will keep it chemical free by producing TONS of cultivation farmers to really take the time needed to do it a la natural. that will then satisfy possibly a large number of unemployed people who love smoking lol. BUT unfortunetly (and without trying to sound racist, because trust me im not) but our caucasion and black community's of modern california refuse to take on the trials of real labor that our mexican counterparts would GLADLY do. so i could see where the job population could come from.

but that whole illegal immigrants who are willing to do the dirty jobs normal society wont, is another forum lol..

tc1 is for prop 19, he was simply stating how stupid the no crowd is.

mr2shim said:

Greed is in fact the root of all evil. It corrupts everyone. Even pot heads.. It's crazy. More people in Cali that are on 215 need your thinking.

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It's not all just greed, it's fear. I think they are scared that they will loose their livelihood. Wanting to make rent isn't greedy. It's fear and to an extent I understand it. I just wish they'd come out and say that instead of making shit up that isn't true.

Dan Kone said:

Tom Ammiano to the rescue again! He just wrote an assembly bill that fixes all the flaws in prop 19 if it's passed. This solve almost all of everyone's reasonable concerns with prop 19.

Makes medical patients exempt from prop 19 in every way. (no taxes on 215!)
Makes unlawfully cultivation a misdemeanor instead of a felony.
Increases limits from an ounce to a pound.
Makes possession of more than a pound a $100 fine.
Decriminalizes for those under 21.

So the problem is solved. Now we can all vote for prop 19.

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/abx6_9_bill_20100921_introduced.html

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This would ONLY BE IF he files this bill after prop 19 passes and IF he filed the bill as it is now and ONLY IFF THEY GOT 2/3 majority vote to amend prop 19 otherwise prop 19 would remain as is and tom Ammiano's amendment highlights some of the problems with 19 as it is now on the ballot

beardo said:

This would ONLY BE IF he files this bill after prop 19 passes and IF he filed the bill as it is now and ONLY IFF THEY GOT 2/3 majority vote to amend prop 19 otherwise prop 19 would remain as is and tom Ammiano's amendment highlights some of the problems with 19 as it is now on the ballot

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Ammiano wouldn't have released it unless the whip count came out in his favor.He's got the votes. If he didn't, he wouldn't have released it as is. If he didn't have the votes he would have amended the bill (added pork) until it was something that would pass, then released it. This will become law if prop 19 passes.

lol @ your sig.

Dan Kone said:

Ammiano wouldn't have released it unless the whip count came out in his favor.He's got the votes. If he didn't, he wouldn't have released it as is. If he didn't have the votes he would have amended the bill (added pork) until it was something that would pass, then released it. This will become law if prop 19 passes.

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This is an assumption though...we don't know if it's fact and I know I'd be a definite Yes vote if I knew it were fact that Ammiano's amendments will for sure be made to Prop 19... :/

Weedoozie said:

This is an assumption though...we don't know if it's fact and I know I'd be a definite Yes vote if I knew it were fact that Ammiano's amendments will for sure be made to Prop 19... :/

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It's a damn good assumption. This is how politics works. You write a bill, distribute it to others in the congress. Get a y/n vote from them. If you get a no vote, you ask why and amend the bill. When you have the votes, you release it and put it up for a vote. You never call a vote unless you know the results.

At this point it's pretty hard to assume the worst about prop 19. It's becoming more and more of a stretch to say prop 19 is a bad thing. Sure, there will always be a few people who will appose prop 19 for their own financial reasons. But those people are just against ending prohibition all together. Pretty much everyone who supports ending prohibition has to be in favor of prop 19 at this point. It's no longer a reasonable point of view to claim you are against prop 19 and don't support prohibition.