Issues I have with Arizonas current Legalization initiative

Hello all my AZ homies as im sure most of you already know MPP has come to a compromise with Gina Berman and they have filed there legalization initiative but there is still some serious issues with this bill for example. THIS CHAPTER DOES NOT REQUIRE AN EMPLOYER TO ALLOW OR ACCOMMODATE THE POSSESSION OR CONSUMPTION OF MARIJUANA OR MARIJUANA PRODUCTS IN THE WORKPLACE AND DOES NOT AFFECT THE ABILITY OF EMPLOYERS TO ENACT AND ENFORCE WORKPLACE POLICIES RESTRICTING THE CONSUMPTION OF MARIJUANA AND MARIJUANA PRODUCTS BY EMPLOYEES.
10.THIS CHAPTER DOES NOT PROHIBIT A PERSON WHO OWNS, MANAGES OR LEASES A PROPERTY FROM PROHIBITING OR OTHERWISE REGULATING THE SMOKING, PRODUCTION, PROCESSING, MANUFACTURE OR SALE OF MARIJUANA AND MARIJUANA PRODUCTS ON OR IN THAT PROPERTY. which means that we will no longer have any legal protection against discrimination from employers or landlords isn't the whole point of this bill to stop discrimination of Marijuana smokers. It also states A LOCALITY MAY PROHIBIT THE OPERATION OF ONE OR MORE OF THE TYPES OF MARIJUANA ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN THE LOCALITY. This is similar to what California had in there medical marijuana law that they passed back in 1996 so recreational marijuana stores would be allowed but individual city governments would have the ability to ban them outright!! and finally it says in the definitions that. PROCESS” MEANS TO HARVEST, DRY, CURE, TRIM AND SEPARATE PARTS OF THE MARIJUANA PLANT BY MANUAL OR MECHANICAL MEANS, INCLUDING SIEVING OR ICE WATER SEPARATION, BUT EXCLUDING CHEMICAL EXTRACTION OR CHEMICAL SYNTHESIS. So we can say goodbye to Wax Shatter or any other form of concentrate!!!

I HATE THE WAY THEY WROTE THIS BILL BUT AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO GET ARE FOOT IN THE DOOR MABE IN 2020 WE CAN MAKE AMENDMENTS TO IT TO MAKE IT LESS STRICT BUT I STILL ASK EVERYONE TO DO AS I HAVE DONE AND VOICE YOUR CONCERN TO MPP AND SAFER ARIZONA

I'm in the process of finishing a complete analysis of MPP's proposed initiative on behalf of the Arizonans For Mindful Regulation. (A local marijuana advocacy group who has been working with MPP on the proposed language of this initiative.)

I'll also post the complete analysis here to RollitUp when it's finished.

MABE IN 2020 WE CAN MAKE AMENDMENTS TO IT TO MAKE IT LESS STRICT

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Not likely at all.

In order to amend an existing initiative, the voters will need to approve a new ballot measure in order to modify the existing one.

In order to even get a new measure on the ballot, we (the community pursuing change) would need to have at least 1 million dollars in order to do so. We don't have that kind of financial support, for OUR CAUSE.

That's why we were unable to collect enough signatures for the Safer Arizona initiative in 2014. It takes LOTS of money in order to get something on the ballot here in Arizona.

For example, MPP has pledged to pay signature gathers $2 per signature that they collect for this initiative. They'll need those people to collect 250,000 signatures, which will cost MPP $500,000. That price doesn't even include the cost for MPP to print the signature forms or train the signature gathers. It is quite expensive.

Sadly, the only way that we'll be able to amend this initiative in the future is if big money pays for it. Which is very unlikely to happen because this initiative is being written to their exact specification this time around. No need for them to change what they feel is perfect.

Remember, the corporate money players are fighting for something much different than you and I are.

We want to end prohibition by ending the war on marijuana users.

Corporate interests (dispensaries) stand to benefit by keeping marijuana prohibition alive and well.

After all, if it's a FELONY for you to buy marijuana from a "guy", you'll be more inclined to buy your marijuana from the dispensary instead. (Even if it is $500/Ounce)

Jason AZ said:

Not likely at all.

In order to amend an existing initiative, the voters will need to approve a new ballot measure in order to modify the existing one.

In order to even get a new measure on the ballot, we (the community pursuing change) would need to have at least 1 million dollars in order to do so. We don't have that kind of financial support, for OUR CAUSE.

That's why we were unable to collect enough signatures for the Safer Arizona initiative in 2014. It takes LOTS of money in order to get something on the ballot here in Arizona.

For example, MPP has pledged to pay signature gathers $2 per signature that they collect for this initiative. They'll need those people to collect 250,000 signatures, which will cost MPP $500,000. That price doesn't even include the cost for MPP to print the signature forms or train the signature gathers. It is quite expensive.

Sadly, the only way that we'll be able to amend this initiative in the future is if big money pays for it. Which is very unlikely to happen because this initiative is being written to their exact specification this time around. No need for them to change what they feel is perfect.

Remember, the corporate money players are fighting for something much different than you and I are.

We want to end prohibition by ending the war on marijuana users.

Corporate interests (dispensaries) stand to benefit by keeping marijuana prohibition alive and well.

After all, if it's a FELONY for you to buy marijuana from a "guy", you'll be more inclined to buy your marijuana from the dispensary instead. (Even if it is $500/Ounce)

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I could not have put it better myself I find it really sad that safer arizona just rolled over and let MPP and Gina Berman have there way honestly I am still on the fence about wether or not I would vote for this initiative I just think Arizona deserves better than this I would almost rather we just keep are current medical laws and give Billy Hayes the Chance to reverse the 25 mile rule with his lawsuit do you think we still have a shot at convincing MPP to change the bill again or do you think they are going to stick with the shitty initiative they have now?

Jason AZ said:

I'm in the process of finishing a complete analysis of MPP's proposed initiative on behalf of the Arizonans For Mindful Regulation. (A local marijuana advocacy group who has been working with MPP on the proposed language of this initiative.)

I'll also post the complete analysis here to RollitUp when it's finished.

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Thanks Jason nice to see we have some real activists in AZ gives me hope keep up the good work!!

Dont be confused. all of our "medical" marijuana laws stay the same. If youre outside of 25 miles you can grow 12 plants and or be a caregiver etc.. Billy could still beat the 25 mile rule especially since everyone will be allowed 6 plants... Medical patients should be allowed more. Just some food for thought, the recreational law is different then the medical law, you will still have to get a card to be medical.
We're going to have a big problem with DUI's once recreational goes into effect.... just my 2 cents.

RottenBoy said:

Dont be confused. all of our "medical" marijuana laws stay the same. If youre outside of 25 miles you can grow 12 plants and or be a caregiver etc.. Billy could still beat the 25 mile rule especially since everyone will be allowed 6 plants... Medical patients should be allowed more. Just some food for thought, the recreational law is different then the medical law, you will still have to get a card to be medical.
We're going to have a big problem with DUI's once recreational goes into effect.... just my 2 cents.

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The extra legal protection would be worth it so if you can grow 12 plants with you're card could you grow an additional 6 under the recreational law makeing the total 18 plants?

AZgreenthumb said:

The extra legal protection would be worth it so if you can grow 12 plants with you're card could you grow an additional 6 under the recreational law makeing the total 16 plants?

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REALLY?!? Look, I know it's 420 and you're probably stoned already, but check your math. That's all... I haven't read the initiative yet, because I'm sure it's mostly garbage. I'll get around to it. Until then, happy 420 everybody!

greywind said:

REALLY?!? Look, I know it's 420 and you're probably stoned already, but check your math. That's all... I haven't read the initiative yet, because I'm sure it's mostly garbage. I'll get around to it. Until then, happy 420 everybody!

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Give me a break man everyone makes mistakes the 8 key is only two away from the six I will edit it do you bust everyone's balls like this? and yes the initiative is garbage.

AZgreenthumb said:

Give me a break man everyone makes mistakes the 8 key is only two away from the six I will edit it do you bust everyone's balls like this? and yes the initiative is garbage.

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I'm just busting your balls, and I don't do it much... must be because this whole "legalization" thing rubs me the wrong way. It's a plant! Why do they have to be so greedy with it?!?

My bad though, I apologize. This next bowl of Strawberry Cough goes out with good vibes on this soon to be national holiday. Cheers!

greywind said:

I'm just busting your balls, and I don't do it much... must be because this whole "legalization" thing rubs me the wrong way. It's a plant! Why do they have to be so greedy with it?!?

My bad though, I apologize. This next bowl of Strawberry Cough goes out with good vibes on this soon to be national holiday. Cheers!

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No prob man I probley over reacted myself if you get a chance to read the initiative though its way strict I especially don't like the fact that there going to give local city governments the option to ban recreational marijuana stores out right also this intiative is only going to allow for 150 shops if you count the 127 dispensarys that will be grandfathered in that's only 23 additional shops this has me pissed off but not going to let it spoil my 420 have your self a good one this bowl of home grown organic white widow goes out to you

Jason AZ said:

For example, MPP has pledged to pay signature gathers $2 per signature that they collect for this initiative. They'll need those people to collect 250,000 signatures, which will cost MPP $500,000. That price doesn't even include the cost for MPP to print the signature forms or train the signature gathers. It is quite expensive.

Sadly, the only way that we'll be able to amend this initiative in the future is if big money pays for it. Which is very unlikely to happen because this initiative is being written to their exact specification this time around. No need for them to change what they feel is perfect.

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That's it in a nutshell. If there were enough grassroots support for recreational, there would be volunteers collecting signatures (no need to pay $2).

I don't know anything about the groups involved. They could be messed up. But, without an organized and active grassroots, there is no other choice.

This is like Libertarians fighting amongst themselves over purity versus pragmatism when the real problem they face is the political reality that too few agree with them enough to actually do something. Purity leads to nothing getting done. Pragmatism leads to "baby steps" that are better for some, worse for others.

I don't see any other way to slice it. When the rubber meets the road, that's all it boils down to. Financial interests have more power than the people.

az2000 said:

That's it in a nutshell. If there were enough grassroots support for recreational, there would be volunteers collecting signatures (no need to pay $2).

I don't know anything about the groups involved. They could be messed up. But, without an organized and active grassroots, there is no other choice.

This is like Libertarians fighting amongst themselves over purity versus pragmatism when the real problem they face is the political reality that too few agree with them enough to actually do something. Purity leads to nothing getting done. Pragmatism leads to "baby steps" that are better for some, worse for others.

I don't see any other way to slice it. When the rubber meets the road, that's all it boils down to. Financial interests have more power than the people.

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I agree when it comes to Arizona it was all about the money to begin with wealthy dispensary owners from California and Colorado paid MPP to write the law the wa they wanted it written in order to make sure they were the only ones who would benefit financially one thing I do like about this law though is that it will allow reguler non dispensary owners to purchase a special license for around 7000$ if they want to sell marijuana so dispensarys won't dominate the market like they have for the past two years!

AZgreenthumb said:

The extra legal protection would be worth it so if you can grow 12 plants with you're card could you grow an additional 6 under the recreational law makeing the total 18 plants?

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You cant be medical and recreational I think the only grey area would be if you had a caregiver and a non medical patient adult in the same household, I think the household limit of 12 would take presidence... Or only have the caregiver growing....

On a side note, the cities wont stop the recreational stores any more then they stopped the dispensaries, I would think even more so now... Because if they start blocking stores, medical patients will have more areas to grow bigger quantities in.

RottenBoy said:

You cant be medical and recreational I think the only grey area would be if you had a caregiver and a non medical patient adult in the same household, I think the household limit of 12 would take presidence... Or only have the caregiver growing....

On a side note, the cities wont stop the recreational stores any more then they stopped the dispensaries, I would think even more so now... Because if they start blocking stores, medical patients will have more areas to grow bigger quantities in.

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True but california also gave individual city's the option to ban dispensarys back 1996 when they passéd there medical marijuana laws and a lot of them jumped at the opportunity I know the town I grew up in in Cali had no dispensarys just delivery services if you live in AZ than you know how conservative the politicians are they would ban them just to prove a point