Israel. Oh yeah this makes sense

ChesusRice

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CNN) -- Israel came under fire Monday for claiming close to 1,000 acres of land in the Palestinian West Bank.
Israel announced Sunday that the land in and around the Wadi Fukin valley, would become "state land," clearing the way for the development of a new Israeli settlement. The affected land lies near Bethlehem and close to Bitar Ilit -- one of the biggest Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
Farmers in the area have 45 days to appeal Israel's decision to claim the land.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/01/world/meast/mideast-israel-west-bank/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
 

SmokeyDan

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Honestly, instead of trying to make peace in the Middle East, it might be better to encourage war.

Peace appears to be a fruitless endeavor, however it wouldn't take much effort to get them fighting.

Let all the crazy fuckers kill each other.
 

Wilksey

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I give two shits about the Palestinians, or the Israelis, but especially the Palestinians.

Those motherfuckers are shit bags to the extreme, and if they didn't have the Israelis to murder, they'd be murdering somebody else in the Arab world in the name of "Allah"......and / or money.
 

Harrekin

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I give two shits about the Palestinians, or the Israelis, but especially the Palestinians.

Those motherfuckers are shit bags to the extreme, and if they didn't have the Israelis to murder, they'd be murdering somebody else in the Arab world in the name of "Allah"......and / or money.
Or maybe they'd get jobs and go to school and all that shit.

America's fight for "freedom" is bullshit yet yous allow Israel to keep their boot on the Palestenian people's neck who are genuinely fighting for literal freedom.

You condemn the rocket attacks, its all they've got to fight back with.

If you'd me on the ground with your boot on my neck, I'd try stab you in the leg with whatever was on the ground near me, you would too...consider that for a while.
 

Holylander

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Haha fighting for freedom.. What a joke. I live in Israel, the Palestinians that elected to stay in my country in 1948 were given full citizenship, have full freedom of religion, full equality and are the most free Arabs in the entire Middle East. They have full freedom, the same one might enjoy in USA, Canada, Australia, the EU etc etc. They are Muslim Palestinians and they make up over 20% of my country's citizens/population, serve in the parliament, on the supreme court.. They live in a thriving democracy, many serve in Israel's military fighting alongside Jewish and Christian Israelis against other Palestinians trying to kill them.

On the other hand, the Palestinians who rejected Israel continue to do so until this day, their great grandchildren still live in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, what's left of Syria etc etc, millions of them now through births. They are barred from professions in these countries, owning land, being doctors etc etc. Barred by their fellow Arabs. They are the only refugees in the world still not absorbed in their now countries of BIRTH over 65 years later. Kept this way to perpetuate a conflict designed t by Arabs to destroy Israel. Their entire lives, cradle to grave is paid for by the EU/US taxpayers, housing, education, food, via UNRWA - a UN organization which perpetuates their suffering, they are special.. The only refugees on planet earth where refugee status is passed on generation to generation. All other refugees on planet Earth are either absorbed, or lose that status upon death, and the children they have are naturally granted citizenship in their countries of their birth, like regular people! But not Palestinians. They are kept as a hammer to hit on Israel.

Their 'brothers' in the West Bank and Gaza (places these Palestinians have never set foot, having been born in other countries barring them citizenship) have since 2000 been offered 3 times a state by Israel, generous offers with international backing any other supposed 'desperate, stateless people' 'burning for freedom' would beg for, jump at eyes closed! They rejected each time, because they don't want a state, they want to destroy mine. Their goal since day one. They were granted elections by 'evil Israel' who also gave them full autonomy, and voted overwhelmingly for Hamas, an INTL recognized terrorist organization, and have spent their time intentionally targeting / trying to kill civilians ever since. in 2005 Israel withdrew entirely from Gaza, removed all settlements, handed it over entirely to Palestinians as part of a peace / state trial called Gaza 1st. The Palestinians spent all their money, time and effort building rockets to kill Jews while they live in sh*thole instead of trying to build a state, and strive for this 'Freedom' as Harrekin called it. It has been almost 10 years since then, and 3 wars are *all* these Palestinians and their Gaza 1st state have contributed to the world, that and suicide bombing. Nothing else, no science, no literature, no music, no great thinkers, nothing but hatred and war and radical Islam and oppression of women. Contrasted to Israel, which per capita leads the world in scientific papers, nobels, prizes, medical patents, etc etc.

Meanwhile many western suckers through either misinformation, naiveté, or for others plain old simple Jew hatred continuously give these Palestinians billions of dollars, that is most often pilfered away and stolen by their 'leaders' or invested in more terrorism, while their people don't even have functional plumbing. At least they got out on September 11th, 2001 to throw candies and celebrate on worldwide television, the other terrorists killing westerners in the biggest terror attack in history. These are the Palestinians. Excuse me, that's incorrect, these are the Palestinians that REJCT Israel is correct, the ones that don't are up there in paragraph one, the freest Arabs in the Middle East, citizens of the State of Israel, enjoying a country that in 65 years has made the desert bloom, is an agricultural, technological, and ecological/green exporter, the 3rd most represented nation on the Nasdaq with the most startups on the planet, and the 3rd highest rate of female entrepreneurship in the world. True story bro.
 

AlecTheGardener

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Haha fighting for freedom.. What a joke. I live in Israel, the Palestinians that elected to stay in my country in 1948 were given full citizenship, have full freedom of religion, full equality and are the most free Arabs in the entire Middle East. They have full freedom, the same one might enjoy in USA, Canada, Australia, the EU etc etc. They are Muslim Palestinians and they make up over 20% of my country's citizens/population, serve in the parliament, on the supreme court.. They live in a thriving democracy, many serve in Israel's military fighting alongside Jewish and Christian Israelis against other Palestinians trying to kill them.

On the other hand, the Palestinians who rejected Israel continue to do so until this day, their great grandchildren still live in refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, what's left of Syria etc etc, millions of them now through births. They are barred from professions in these countries, owning land, being doctors etc etc. Barred by their fellow Arabs. They are the only refugees in the world still not absorbed in their now countries of BIRTH over 65 years later. Kept this way to perpetuate a conflict designed t by Arabs to destroy Israel. Their entire lives, cradle to grave is paid for by the EU/US taxpayers, housing, education, food, via UNRWA - a UN organization which perpetuates their suffering, they are special.. The only refugees on planet earth where refugee status is passed on generation to generation. All other refugees on planet Earth are either absorbed, or lose that status upon death, and the children they have are naturally granted citizenship in their countries of their birth, like regular people! But not Palestinians. They are kept as a hammer to hit on Israel.

Their 'brothers' in the West Bank and Gaza (places these Palestinians have never set foot, having been born in other countries barring them citizenship) have since 2000 been offered 3 times a state by Israel, generous offers with international backing any other supposed 'desperate, stateless people' 'burning for freedom' would beg for, jump at eyes closed! They rejected each time, because they don't want a state, they want to destroy mine. Their goal since day one. They were granted elections by 'evil Israel' who also gave them full autonomy, and voted overwhelmingly for Hamas, an INTL recognized terrorist organization, and have spent their time intentionally targeting / trying to kill civilians ever since. in 2005 Israel withdrew entirely from Gaza, removed all settlements, handed it over entirely to Palestinians as part of a peace / state trial called Gaza 1st. The Palestinians spent all their money, time and effort building rockets to kill Jews while they live in sh*thole instead of trying to build a state, and strive for this 'Freedom' as Harrekin called it. It has been almost 10 years since then, and 3 wars are *all* these Palestinians and their Gaza 1st state have contributed to the world, that and suicide bombing. Nothing else, no science, no literature, no music, no great thinkers, nothing but hatred and war and radical Islam and oppression of women. Contrasted to Israel, which per capita leads the world in scientific papers, nobels, prizes, medical patents, etc etc.

Meanwhile many western suckers through either misinformation, naiveté, or for others plain old simple Jew hatred continuously give these Palestinians billions of dollars, that is most often pilfered away and stolen by their 'leaders' or invested in more terrorism, while their people don't even have functional plumbing. At least they got out on September 11th, 2001 to throw candies and celebrate on worldwide television, the other terrorists killing westerners in the biggest terror attack in history. These are the Palestinians. Excuse me, that's incorrect, these are the Palestinians that REJCT Israel is correct, the ones that don't are up there in paragraph one, the freest Arabs in the Middle East, citizens of the State of Israel, enjoying a country that in 65 years has made the desert bloom, is an agricultural, technological, and ecological/green exporter, the 3rd most represented nation on the Nasdaq with the most startups on the planet, and the 3rd highest rate of female entrepreneurship in the world. True story bro.
Accept your new government! Accept it!

Making second class citizens out of people whose land Israel occupies is beyond insulting.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid

Israel is repeating the hatred and violence that has been done to them, even as recently as WWII.

Fighting fire with fire only cause insurance rate increases, fire should be fought with water and a strategy.

How can memory be so short?
 

AlecTheGardener

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Accepting a government that doesn't recognize the existence of a nation that existed, Palestine.

If someone invaded my homeland and forced me to accept the new government and deny my old nation ever existed . . . No.

Accept the government or become a second class citizen!

How many Stars of David were worn by so called 'second class citizens?'

@Holylander
 

Holylander

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Haha, apartheid. What comedy show you are. Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza have full autonomy, they control their own elections, governments, their own financial systems, they have their own passports, they control their education system, taxation, they control their own justice system, police, and security forces, they have their own full self determination, local and state govt. The only thing they do not control is their borders, because Jordan and Egypt and Israel have agreed that it's too dangerous, insecure until these autonomous Palestinians can accept peace, Israel, and receive formal statehood, which if you read my informative post above they have rejected numerous times n favor of continued perpetual conflict. Nice try though, unfortunately I'm a little more informed LIVING HERE than the usual rube.
 

AlecTheGardener

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The hyper conservative governments of Israel and the Palestinians want war, they thrive and get re-elected as long as war is priority. Warmongering from both sides prevents an actual solution.

@Holylander
@Holylander
My point still stands.

The governments are the problem.

Fighting back and forth, bickering and posturing, neither side wants to give an inch, they both rightfully fear the other will take a mile.

Or in this case 1,00 acres or so.

The governments need to be defeated by their own peoples, their warmongering leadership is poison.
 

UncleBuck

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It has been almost 10 years since then, and 3 wars are *all* these Palestinians and their Gaza 1st state have contributed to the world, that and suicide bombing. Nothing else, no science, no literature, no music, no great thinkers, nothing but hatred and war and radical Islam and oppression of women. Contrasted to Israel, which per capita leads the world in scientific papers, nobels, prizes, medical patents, etc etc.
was kinda with you until this part. this type of argument is usually only made by a very specific subset of people/thinkers, either word i would use lightly to describe the originator of that thought.

but i don't know anything about you yet, so i'll withhold judgment and just grab some popcorn.
 

skunkd0c

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was kinda with you until this part. this type of argument is usually only made by a very specific subset of people/thinkers, either word i would use lightly to describe the originator of that thought.

but i don't know anything about you yet, so i'll withhold judgment and just grab some popcorn.
sounds like something Dr kynes would say
 

Holylander

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Except UncleBuck it is sadly true, it isn't pleasant to hear or watch granted I agree. I wish it were otherwise, but if someone can name a contribution from this now almost 10 year old independent Palestinian entity known as Gaza I'm all ears. The whole world is willing to pitch in, excited I would say even to help them including Israel, which supplies aid to Gaza, including water and electricity and medicine and food. Nothing is holding them back except themselves. Keep in mind, I am a citizen of Israel and tens of thousands of rockets have been launched at me from that place with the express intent of killing me.

Yet I still support supplying and aiding them, a rather unique thing. These aren't my buddies, I don't sugar coat. If they were electing terrorists trying to kill you, you might be harsh in your descriptions as well. I am always open to hear what their contribution has been other than the 3 wars I mentioned, in 2009, 2012, and last month to their endless detriment and mine. I am a resoanble person who desires peace and quiet and open to hearing from reasonable people, not the anti semite upvoting in this thread earnest_voice.
 
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