Is this root rot

Plants too

The last pic is of one that seems to be getting better but it's only one of six. I started three in jiffy pods and three in RW cubes. The JP's seem to be doing better but still it's a day to day thing.

Yes

gand3r said:

Have you ever had roots like mine that have been fine? What bennies do u use.

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Budley Doright said:

View attachment 3543929 View attachment 3543930 View attachment 3543931 The last pic is of one that seems to be getting better but it's only one of six. I started three in jiffy pods and three in RW cubes. The JP's seem to be doing better but still it's a day to day thing.

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Ok....cpl things, first you need tk figgure out a way to get your hydroton (expanded clay) out and cleaned up second if you can, get the ones that are coming around moved to a diffrent unit....3rd im going to assume from the looks (could be wrong because of the rot) that you are spraying 25/7? If so have a down time on spraying, the roots will stay wet enough to atleast go to 15 min on 15 min off in an enclosed aero if all you have is a cheap timer and temps are not to high.
4th do a complete clean up / steralization of your unit again....leave nothing behind, pump, manifold, tote, lid, pots, medium, everything. Give your plants that are not improved a wash in a little heavier h202 solution while out and before putting them back.

Then get your beneficials or enzymes back in the unit with fresh nutes. *after your h202 or whatever you use to steralize has broken down or dissapated so you dont just kill them.

I can tell you its not the aero setip that is causing the rot.....ive had plants in my cloner right now for about 12 weeks cause i have nowhere for them to go and had no issues with root rot, they are dying of starvation because i keep nutes to absoulte min in the cloner, try to keep it at zero when i can move them in and out.

You didn't even say what you're feeding with.

Aqua flakes. Hydroton was soaked in bleach, system ran for 36 hrs with a cup of bleach. But the rockwool wasn't, just ph'd so that could be where it started.

Budley Doright said:

Aqua flakes. Hydroton was soaked in bleach, system ran for 36 hrs with a cup of bleach. But the rockwool wasn't, just ph'd so that could be where it started.

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That should just cause your ph to go wonky unless its way out.....i dont like rockwool....i like nothing but the neo pucks for the cloner, hydroton or this new stuff im trying works pretty well and has weight to support the plant, photo attached

I second the inert rock..... I use http://www.growstone.com/hydroponic-substrate/

I'm using the current culture XXL series and their nutes, plus a few other additives.

the roots in the res water with no air stones...i'm petty stone rite now

Budley Doright said:

It's that the air is not penetrating the middle of the root zone I think. My temps are around 70 and I run sprayers and bennies, this is the first time I've had an issue. I don't run air stones so not sure about the amount. I'm throwing bleach, h2o2 at them right now to try and save them but it's looking rather bleak. I stopped using the bennies and am now running sterile

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the roots in the res water with no air stones...i'm petty stone rite now but how can that work just wondering
my power went out the other day i freak run a extinction cord from my truck 110 outlet to air pumps

Terry385 said:

the roots in the res water with no air stones...i'm petty stone rite now

the roots in the res water with no air stones...i'm petty stone rite now but how can that work just wondering
my power went out the other day i freak run a extinction cord from my truck 110 outlet to air pumps

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The natural fall of the top feed will catch AIR as the water drops from the top to the bottom of the rez. thus creating O2 and hence you have oxygenated water.

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Terry385 said:

the roots in the res water with no air stones...i'm petty stone rite now

the roots in the res water with no air stones...i'm petty stone rite now but how can that work just wondering
my power went out the other day i freak run a extinction cord from my truck 110 outlet to air pumps

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If its an aero setup it will work kinda like the kratky method...the o2 will be taken in by the roots not in the watee

No roots in the res. Roots hang in upper res. I tried both peat pods and RW cubes and the peat pods are actually the ones getting better. I flooded every three hours at first (from seed), and roots were white like my ass which is really white FYI. Until roots are established I tend to water very little as it tends to drown them I find. This is low pressure by the way so watering continuously has worked the last few times but I was cycling it this time and it seemed to get worse. My root zone did get quite warm with out the reflective covering but also now that temps outside are cold I should be able to maintain 65ish. I am going to start a new run but it will be a flooded root zone I think as that has worked well for me.

Budley Doright said:

No roots in the res. Roots hang in upper res. I tried both peat pods and RW cubes and the peat pods are actually the ones getting better. I flooded every three hours at first (from seed), and roots were white like my ass which is really white FYI. Until roots are established I tend to water very little as it tends to drown them I find. This is low pressure by the way so watering continuously has worked the last few times but I was cycling it this time and it seemed to get worse. My root zone did get quite warm with out the reflective covering but also now that temps outside are cold I should be able to maintain 65ish. I am going to start a new run but it will be a flooded root zone I think as that has worked well for me.

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That could be the cause of the problem, if the root zone itself got warm and the res was staying cool that would explain why you had better results with constant spray....it was keeping the roots cool enough to not allow the bad guys to grow.

Ya I think that was what is happening. It's still warmer in there than the ambient and with out running air through the upper I'm not sure how to bring it down. But I really think going back to recirc flooded works better for me. I did find the aero was really stable though. I still use an upper tote but keep water levels at about 5" deep. Never ran that system with beanies so that'll be new.

Budley Doright said:

Ya I think that was what is happening. It's still warmer in there than the ambient and with out running air through the upper I'm not sure how to bring it down. But I really think going back to recirc flooded works better for me. I did find the aero was really stable though. I still use an upper tote but keep water levels at about 5" deep. Never ran that system with beanies so that'll be new.

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If you can pull a site on either side or just try putting a white covering ( panda film maybe) on the top to keep the light from heating it up.

If i remember your top was black which basically grabs all that energy and heat from the light and transfers it right through, basically creating an oven....you could use a instant read meat thermometer via the probe to keep track of temps in the root area

It's covered with reflective bubble wrap which helpS

Budley Doright said:

It's covered with reflective bubble wrap which helpS

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The other thing i have seen done is use a cheap cooler so your res or root zone is fully insulated, which means when your cool water goes into the root zone it cools the zone and that cooling should hold (hopefully) untill the next schedualed spraying....i cannot verify this works though as i have not tried it yet...i was thinking of trying it for the veggies outside next spring / summer.

If you was to use bennies in rdwc then added pondzyme would it make the demitrus?

gand3r said:

If you was to use bennies in rdwc then added pondzyme would it make the demitrus?

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Should not, i may be wrong though, those are basically the same thing, beneficials are living organism that produce the enzymes you want, pondzyme is basically just the enzymes.

I see, so demitrus is the destruction of organic material? If I can always keep my Tempsford at. 18oC would running poolshock be a better alternative. As I always end up getting brown roots with the demitrus, even when keeping low temps. I'm starting to think I never had root rot this time or last time, as the plants were growing great and I was always using bennies.

gand3r said:

I see, so demitrus is the destruction of organic material? If I can always keep my Tempsford at. 18oC would running poolshock be a better alternative. As I always end up getting brown roots with the demitrus, even when keeping low temps. I'm starting to think I never had root rot this time or last time, as the plants were growing great and I was always using bennies.

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Most likely it was your nute mix staining the roots and they were fine....i would avoid anything made for pools as that is usually super concentrated and very strong....probly do more damage than good and may very well be cause not to use your final product.

I would get your beneficial bacteria in the system keep the enzymes for if you really need a little extra boost and as long as they are growing good, let em grow!