!is this obamas freedom??? Wake up fools!

Big P

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Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

Posted by Declan McCullagh


(AP / CBS)​



In a case that raises questions about online journalism and privacy rights, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day.

The grand jury subpoena also required the Philadelphia-based Indymedia.us Web site "not to disclose the existence of this request" unless authorized by the Justice Department, a gag order that presents an unusual quandary for any news organization.

Kristina Clair, a 34-year old Linux administrator living in Philadelphia who provides free server space for Indymedia.us, said she was shocked to receive the Justice Department's subpoena. (The Independent Media Center is a left-of-center amalgamation of journalists and advocates that – according to their principles of unity and mission statement – work toward "promoting social and economic justice" and "social change.")

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded "all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us" on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to "include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information," including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers' Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.

"I didn't think anything we were doing was worthy of any (federal) attention," Clair said in a telephone interview with CBSNews.com on Monday. After talking to other Indymedia volunteers, Clair ended up calling the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco, which represented her at no cost.

Under long-standing Justice Department guidelines, subpoenas to members of the news media are supposed to receive special treatment. One portion of the guidelines, for instance, says that "no subpoena may be issued to any member of the news media" without "the express authorization of the attorney general" – that would be current attorney general Eric Holder – and subpoenas should be "directed at material information regarding a limited subject matter."

Still unclear is what criminal investigation U.S. Attorney Morrison was pursuing. Last Friday, a spokeswoman initially promised a response, but Morrison sent e-mail on Monday evening saying: "We have no comment." The Justice Department in Washington, D.C. also declined to respond.

Kevin Bankston, a senior staff attorney at the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, replied to the Justice Department on behalf of his client in a February 2009 letter (PDF) outlining what he described as a series of problems with the subpoena, including that it was not personally served, that a judge-issued court order would be required for the full logs, and that Indymedia did not store logs in the first place.

Morrison replied in a one-sentence letter saying the subpoena had been withdrawn. Around the same time, according to the EFF, the group had a series of discussions with assistant U.S. attorneys in Morrison's office who threatened Clair with possible prosecution for obstruction of justice if she disclosed the existence of the already-withdrawn subpoena -- claiming it "may endanger someone's health" and would have a "human cost."

Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of The Press, said a gag order to a news organization wouldn't stand up in court: "If you get a subpoena and you're a journalist, they can't gag you."

Dalglish said that a subpoena being issued and withdrawn is not unprecedented. "I have seen any number of these things withdrawn when counsel for someone who is claiming a reporter's privilege says, 'Can you tell me the date you got approval from the attorney general's office'... I'm willing to chalk this up to bad lawyering on the part of the DOJ, or just not thinking."

Making this investigation more mysterious is that Indymedia.us is an aggregation site, meaning articles that appear on it were published somewhere else first, and there's no hint about what sparked the criminal probe. Clair, the system administrator, says that no IP (Internet Protocol) addresses are recorded for Indymedia.us, and non-IP address logs are kept for a few weeks and then discarded.

EFF's Bankston wrote a second letter to the government saying that, if it needed to muzzle Indymedia, it should apply for a gag order under the section of federal law that clearly permits such an order to be issued. Bankston's plan: To challenge that law on First Amendment grounds.

But the Justice Department never replied. "This is the first time we've seen them try to get the IP address of everyone who visited a particular site," Bankston said. "That it was a news organization was an additional troubling fact that implicates First Amendment rights."

This is not, however, the first time that the Feds have focused on Indymedia -- a Web site whose authors sometimes blur the line between journalism, advocacy, and on-the-streets activism. In 2004, the Justice Department sent a grand jury subpoena asking for information about who posted lists of Republican delegates while urging they be given an unwelcome reception at the party's convention in New York City that year. A Indymedia hosting service in Texas once received a subpoena asking for server logs in relation to an investigation of an attempted murder in Italy.

Bankston has written a longer description of the exchange of letters with the Justice Department, which he hopes will raise awareness of how others should respond to similar legal demands for Web logs, customer records, and compulsory silence. "Our fear is that this kind of bogus gag order is much more common than one would hope, considering they're legally baseless," Bankston says. "We're telling this story in hopes that more providers will press back and go public when the government demands their silence."

Update 1:59pm E.T.: A Justice Department official familiar with this subpoena just told me that the attorney general's office never saw it and that it had not been submitted to the department's headquarters in Washington, D.C. for review. If that's correct, it suggests that U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison and Assistant U.S. Attorney Doris Pryor did not follow department regulations requiring the "express authorization of the attorney general" for media subpoenas -- and it means that neither Attorney General Eric Holder nor Acting Attorney General Mark Filip were involved. I wouldn't be surprised to see an internal investigation by the Office of Professional Responsibility; my source would not confirm or deny that.
 

medicineman

New Member


Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

Posted by Declan McCullagh



(AP / CBS)​




In a case that raises questions about online journalism and privacy rights, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day.

The grand jury subpoena also required the Philadelphia-based Indymedia.us Web site "not to disclose the existence of this request" unless authorized by the Justice Department, a gag order that presents an unusual quandary for any news organization.

Kristina Clair, a 34-year old Linux administrator living in Philadelphia who provides free server space for Indymedia.us, said she was shocked to receive the Justice Department's subpoena. (The Independent Media Center is a left-of-center amalgamation of journalists and advocates that – according to their principles of unity and mission statement – work toward "promoting social and economic justice" and "social change.")

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded "all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us" on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to "include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information," including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers' Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.

"I didn't think anything we were doing was worthy of any (federal) attention," Clair said in a telephone interview with CBSNews.com on Monday. After talking to other Indymedia volunteers, Clair ended up calling the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco, which represented her at no cost.

Under long-standing Justice Department guidelines, subpoenas to members of the news media are supposed to receive special treatment. One portion of the guidelines, for instance, says that "no subpoena may be issued to any member of the news media" without "the express authorization of the attorney general" – that would be current attorney general Eric Holder – and subpoenas should be "directed at material information regarding a limited subject matter."

Still unclear is what criminal investigation U.S. Attorney Morrison was pursuing. Last Friday, a spokeswoman initially promised a response, but Morrison sent e-mail on Monday evening saying: "We have no comment." The Justice Department in Washington, D.C. also declined to respond.

Kevin Bankston, a senior staff attorney at the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, replied to the Justice Department on behalf of his client in a February 2009 letter (PDF) outlining what he described as a series of problems with the subpoena, including that it was not personally served, that a judge-issued court order would be required for the full logs, and that Indymedia did not store logs in the first place.

Morrison replied in a one-sentence letter saying the subpoena had been withdrawn. Around the same time, according to the EFF, the group had a series of discussions with assistant U.S. attorneys in Morrison's office who threatened Clair with possible prosecution for obstruction of justice if she disclosed the existence of the already-withdrawn subpoena -- claiming it "may endanger someone's health" and would have a "human cost."

Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of The Press, said a gag order to a news organization wouldn't stand up in court: "If you get a subpoena and you're a journalist, they can't gag you."

Dalglish said that a subpoena being issued and withdrawn is not unprecedented. "I have seen any number of these things withdrawn when counsel for someone who is claiming a reporter's privilege says, 'Can you tell me the date you got approval from the attorney general's office'... I'm willing to chalk this up to bad lawyering on the part of the DOJ, or just not thinking."

Making this investigation more mysterious is that Indymedia.us is an aggregation site, meaning articles that appear on it were published somewhere else first, and there's no hint about what sparked the criminal probe. Clair, the system administrator, says that no IP (Internet Protocol) addresses are recorded for Indymedia.us, and non-IP address logs are kept for a few weeks and then discarded.

EFF's Bankston wrote a second letter to the government saying that, if it needed to muzzle Indymedia, it should apply for a gag order under the section of federal law that clearly permits such an order to be issued. Bankston's plan: To challenge that law on First Amendment grounds.

But the Justice Department never replied. "This is the first time we've seen them try to get the IP address of everyone who visited a particular site," Bankston said. "That it was a news organization was an additional troubling fact that implicates First Amendment rights."

This is not, however, the first time that the Feds have focused on Indymedia -- a Web site whose authors sometimes blur the line between journalism, advocacy, and on-the-streets activism. In 2004, the Justice Department sent a grand jury subpoena asking for information about who posted lists of Republican delegates while urging they be given an unwelcome reception at the party's convention in New York City that year. A Indymedia hosting service in Texas once received a subpoena asking for server logs in relation to an investigation of an attempted murder in Italy.

Bankston has written a longer description of the exchange of letters with the Justice Department, which he hopes will raise awareness of how others should respond to similar legal demands for Web logs, customer records, and compulsory silence. "Our fear is that this kind of bogus gag order is much more common than one would hope, considering they're legally baseless," Bankston says. "We're telling this story in hopes that more providers will press back and go public when the government demands their silence."

Update 1:59pm E.T.: A Justice Department official familiar with this subpoena just told me that the attorney general's office never saw it and that it had not been submitted to the department's headquarters in Washington, D.C. for review. If that's correct, it suggests that U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison and Assistant U.S. Attorney Doris Pryor did not follow department regulations requiring the "express authorization of the attorney general" for media subpoenas -- and it means that neither Attorney General Eric Holder nor Acting Attorney General Mark Filip were involved. I wouldn't be surprised to see an internal investigation by the Office of Professional Responsibility; my source would not confirm or deny that.
So what's your point? Seems like Obama had nothing to do with this. I'd like to see an investigation also and if those guys did do it on their own, off with their heads.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
So what's your point? Seems like Obama had nothing to do with this. I'd like to see an investigation also and if those guys did do it on their own, off with their heads.


sure medi sure, these guys just took it upon themselves. dont believe that for a second. they couldnt have even dreamed this shit up without our communist freinds in office.


you think those attorny's would pull somting like that if it was the bush admin?


hell no hell no and then a double hell no


so you know its must have been a wink and a nob at the very least.



thier first response: "no comment"


after meeting and fabricating a response, they lied.


but this time people didnt die, our free society did again, as it has been


and dumbass london fog has no retort to this story and says some off the wall comment that has nothing to do with it


great intellect as always london:dunce:


and london pls tell me you dont live in Great britan.

cuz i dont tell you how to run your socialist government so pls dont try to turn my government into a similar stagnant shit hole that everyone hates so they drink themselves to death
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
Hey Dem..long time no see...Yeah they got plenty BS on here now....Hope you got your boots on..$hits deep
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

Well-Known Member
sure medi sure, these guys just took it upon themselves. dont believe that for a second. they couldnt have even dreamed this shit up without our communist freinds in office.
Did you bother to even look at the subpoena? http://www.eff.org/files/subpoena.pdf
It was signed on January 23, 2009 which means it was drafted months earlier. Obama assumed office on January 20, 2009. It appears you're the one dreaming up shit. :dunce:
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
and here you go, some more inforgiveable shit!! im a highschool drop out, even a retard could see a pattern devloping:


Calif. AG's office: Press aide taped 6 interviews
Nov 10 01:56 PM US/Eastern

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - A report by California Attorney General Jerry Brown's office says a spokesman secretly recorded phone calls with five reporters, even though he was explicitly warned not to do so.
Chief Assistant Attorney General Dane Gillette reports that Scott Gerber was repeatedly warned that California law requires both parties to give consent before a conversation is recorded. Gerber, 33, resigned last week after one of the secret recordings came to light.
The report released Monday says Gerber recorded six interviews with five reporters from April to October, including three with reporters from The Associated Press. It says Brown and other senior staff members did not know about the secret recordings. The report says no crime occurred, concluding that an on-the-record interview with a reporter is not a confidential communication.


Brown spokesman recorded 6 interviews

Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
(11-09) 20:58 PST SAN FRANCISCO -- A spokesman for state Attorney General Jerry Brown secretly recorded six interviews with five journalists since April despite being told by department officials not to do so a year ago, according to documents obtained Monday by The Chronicle.

Still, spokesman Scott Gerber e-mailed one of the officials on Oct. 28 saying he planned to record a call with Chronicle political writer Carla Marinucci.

Chief Deputy Attorney General James Humes opened the e-mail before the secretly recorded conversation but "does not recall noting the recording reference at that time," according to a report completed Monday by Chief Assistant Attorney General Dane Gillette.

The Chronicle received the report, along with transcripts of the recorded interviews and other documents, as part of a Public Records Act request.
California Penal Code Section 632 prohibits the recording of private telephone conversations without consent, and the state is one of 12 that require notification of all parties prior to taping.

Gerber resigned last week after The Chronicle reported he admitted secretly taping the Oct. 28 interview and other conversations with reporters.
The report from Brown's office said Gerber recorded conversations with three reporters from the Associated Press and two with a Los Angeles Times reporter. Three phone interviews and one in-person interview were with Brown.

"There is no indication in any of the conversations that the reporter, the Attorney General, or any other DOJ participants were advised that Gerber was recording the call," the report said.

Gerber's actions "do not warrant a criminal investigation" because the conversations appeared to be "on-the-record," Gillette wrote, adding that "the very purpose of an 'on-the-record' interview is to provide the reporter with statements that can later be used in the public media."
Last November, Gerber told his co-workers he wanted to record all press contacts but Humes told him not to do it without permission from all participants, the report said. No other press staffers recorded interviews, the report said.

Gerber admitted to recording reporters after The Chronicle published a story about consumer activist Harvey Rosenfield's criticisms of revisions the attorney general made to the summary of a ballot measure dealing with car insurance rates.

Rosenfield claimed that Brown changed the language of the measure's summary under pressure from Mercury General, one of the state's largest insurers. The company gave $13,000 to Brown's campaign in June.

Brown's revision did not mention that the measure could increase insurance rates for some Californians, Rosenfield said, but Gerber added that, in the view of Brown's office, the new summary was a fair and accurate description of the measure after its authors revised the initiative.
The secret taping came to light when Gerber contacted an editor at The Chronicle after the story was posted on SFGate.com. Gerber said the comments of Humes, one of two attorneys in the interview with Marinucci, were not fairly reflected. Gerber e-mailed a transcript of the conversation to an editor at the paper. Editors briefly removed the story from the paper's Web site, added additional detail and posted the update on the site.
Rosenfield called Monday's findings "disturbing" because the department was investigating its own staff. Political fallout from the case may continue for Brown, who has formed an exploratory committee to run for governor next year.

At the request of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Brown opened an investigation of the community activist group ACORN after undercover videos shot at two of the group's state offices appeared to show staffers offering to help two purported clients break the law.
Brown is investigating whether the recordings by the undercover activists violated state law.

"This opens Brown's office up to charges of hypocrisy if he finds something different in the ACORN case," said Mark Feldstein, a professor of journalism at George Washington University.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
Did you bother to even look at the subpoena? http://www.eff.org/files/subpoena.pdf
It was signed on January 23, 2009 which means it was drafted months earlier. Obama assumed office on January 20, 2009. It appears you're the one dreaming up shit. :dunce:

thats not true it was not created months earlier, these guys had been tranitioning for months before they have been activly try to control the media through the state from day one


it has escalated to todays farce we call our government what a bunch of fascists
 

TheDemocrat

Active Member
and here you go, some more inforgiveable shit!! im a highschool drop out, even a retard could see a pattern devloping:


Calif. AG's office: Press aide taped 6 interviews
Nov 10 01:56 PM US/Eastern

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - A report by California Attorney General Jerry Brown's office says a spokesman secretly recorded phone calls with five reporters, even though he was explicitly warned not to do so.
Chief Assistant Attorney General Dane Gillette reports that Scott Gerber was repeatedly warned that California law requires both parties to give consent before a conversation is recorded. Gerber, 33, resigned last week after one of the secret recordings came to light.
The report released Monday says Gerber recorded six interviews with five reporters from April to October, including three with reporters from The Associated Press. It says Brown and other senior staff members did not know about the secret recordings. The report says no crime occurred, concluding that an on-the-record interview with a reporter is not a confidential communication.


Brown spokesman recorded 6 interviews

Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
(11-09) 20:58 PST SAN FRANCISCO -- A spokesman for state Attorney General Jerry Brown secretly recorded six interviews with five journalists since April despite being told by department officials not to do so a year ago, according to documents obtained Monday by The Chronicle.

Still, spokesman Scott Gerber e-mailed one of the officials on Oct. 28 saying he planned to record a call with Chronicle political writer Carla Marinucci.

Chief Deputy Attorney General James Humes opened the e-mail before the secretly recorded conversation but "does not recall noting the recording reference at that time," according to a report completed Monday by Chief Assistant Attorney General Dane Gillette.

The Chronicle received the report, along with transcripts of the recorded interviews and other documents, as part of a Public Records Act request.
California Penal Code Section 632 prohibits the recording of private telephone conversations without consent, and the state is one of 12 that require notification of all parties prior to taping.

Gerber resigned last week after The Chronicle reported he admitted secretly taping the Oct. 28 interview and other conversations with reporters.
The report from Brown's office said Gerber recorded conversations with three reporters from the Associated Press and two with a Los Angeles Times reporter. Three phone interviews and one in-person interview were with Brown.

"There is no indication in any of the conversations that the reporter, the Attorney General, or any other DOJ participants were advised that Gerber was recording the call," the report said.

Gerber's actions "do not warrant a criminal investigation" because the conversations appeared to be "on-the-record," Gillette wrote, adding that "the very purpose of an 'on-the-record' interview is to provide the reporter with statements that can later be used in the public media."
Last November, Gerber told his co-workers he wanted to record all press contacts but Humes told him not to do it without permission from all participants, the report said. No other press staffers recorded interviews, the report said.

Gerber admitted to recording reporters after The Chronicle published a story about consumer activist Harvey Rosenfield's criticisms of revisions the attorney general made to the summary of a ballot measure dealing with car insurance rates.

Rosenfield claimed that Brown changed the language of the measure's summary under pressure from Mercury General, one of the state's largest insurers. The company gave $13,000 to Brown's campaign in June.

Brown's revision did not mention that the measure could increase insurance rates for some Californians, Rosenfield said, but Gerber added that, in the view of Brown's office, the new summary was a fair and accurate description of the measure after its authors revised the initiative.
The secret taping came to light when Gerber contacted an editor at The Chronicle after the story was posted on SFGate.com. Gerber said the comments of Humes, one of two attorneys in the interview with Marinucci, were not fairly reflected. Gerber e-mailed a transcript of the conversation to an editor at the paper. Editors briefly removed the story from the paper's Web site, added additional detail and posted the update on the site.
Rosenfield called Monday's findings "disturbing" because the department was investigating its own staff. Political fallout from the case may continue for Brown, who has formed an exploratory committee to run for governor next year.

At the request of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Brown opened an investigation of the community activist group ACORN after undercover videos shot at two of the group's state offices appeared to show staffers offering to help two purported clients break the law.
Brown is investigating whether the recordings by the undercover activists violated state law.

"This opens Brown's office up to charges of hypocrisy if he finds something different in the ACORN case," said Mark Feldstein, a professor of journalism at George Washington University.
I think we can all agree that you are a retard.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
wrong again darlin;-)


i type fast and loose sweetie but whats that got to do with the issue at hand?


what do you think about it?




is that the only thing you could find to "zing" me with:bigjoint:



your lucky i made a typo;-)
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
I love how the Obama fans just come out and make no argument to the post, but instead just sling mud, How typical.
 

Green Cross

Well-Known Member
I love how the Obama fans just come out and make no argument to the post, but instead just sling mud, How typical.
They probably believe it's Bushes fault

The anointed one can do no harm

The Libs have no argument when you see the government limiting free speech

The anointed one can do no harm, so when you ask tough question's you get this reaction, from the left.


They don't believe in free speech unless it's their own... so I say "F 'em"! :finger:
 

ViRedd

New Member
If it were a Republican tryint to stifle free speech they would be shouting "Nazi" from the roof tops. Remember, these are the same folks who believe Che & Castro liberated the people of Cuba. :lol:
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
Obama is just a puppet and it is pretty obvious but still people are mesmerized by his charisma and the fact that he is black . . .

JFK was the last legitimate president and that was a long time ago . . .
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
I love how the Obama fans just come out and make no argument to the post, but instead just sling mud, How typical.
Dude how do you argue with stupidity and retardation .... :wall: after awhile its like the only thing you can do is say "hey don't eat your booger":dunce: but they always eat it anyway
 

maxamus1

Well-Known Member
owo is here deal with it. hell we let it happen, now that it's here now we want to change it. too late bend over and grab your toes but first lube up because it's going to hurt.
 
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