Is this a Phosphorous Deficiency?

gogogogogogo

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Okay so here I am eating my words... Made a tea from a small amount of Earth Juice bloom, cat, meta k, and also some sea kelp.

Forgot to PH in a mad haste to water them and now they're looking way worse.

Here's a bunch of pictures...
 

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gogogogogogo

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I thought about flushing with some 6.5 PH water but I didn't want to make it worse by drowning them :/

I used "mild" amounts of each of the bloom, cat, and meta k and 2oz of the kelp (recommended dose)

Does this look like too much of a good thing or a PH problem! Ahh I'm so mad at myself. They were budding up so well!!!
 

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gogogogogogo

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yea thats more than one deficiency
Part of the problem with Earth Juice is it dumps the PH... could a low PH watering along with coco (roots organic base soil) lead to such sudden deterioration? Would it be worth watering with higher PH to increase Potassium and Phosphorous availability?
 

iHearAll

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Part of the problem with Earth Juice is it dumps the PH... could a low PH watering along with coco (roots organic base soil) lead to such sudden deterioration? Would it be worth watering with higher PH to increase Potassium and Phosphorous availability?
sounds like it yes. you dont have any gypsum in your soil?
 

iHearAll

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Nope I read a little about gypsum after the fact... what exactly does it do for an organic grow?
when it mixes with water it becomes a basic pH. so having gypsum powder in the soil will buffer the pH if you are watering in an acidic tea or tend to have an acidic soil/compost. you can make a gypsum tea tea also. itll have a pretty basic pH.but this would be guess work if you wanted to bring your pH up this way. ive done it and it worked but i was outdoors and had to water daily so there werent many lasting effects of high pH since the next day and next day etc the gypsum got watered out.
 

gogogogogogo

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Well soil PH is about a 6.9 according to my meter, even after the watering the other day. I'm just scared to give it more K (at an appropriate PH level) for fear of doing more harm. It seems that as far as nutrients go, obviously the biggest part of any grow, I'm still at a loss. Which sucks!
 

greasemonkeymann

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Not having much luck with this super soil stuff... followed subs recipe to a T and this is where it got me.
hence the problem.
the recipe is a faulty one, based on water soluble nutrients, based on layering techniques, based with shitty inputs.
Not many use that style anymore.
don't give up on organics, just use a totally different approach next time, you'll be glad you did
 

gogogogogogo

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hence the problem.
the recipe is a faulty one, based on water soluble nutrients, based on layering techniques, based with shitty inputs.
Not many use that style anymore.
don't give up on organics, just use a totally different approach next time, you'll be glad you did
I think I might have to. I don't want to waste all that soil now, I've built up about 75 gallons of it. I might just have to start providing the P and K sooner as I believe the recipe really skimps on K as I recall.
 

greasemonkeymann

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I think I might have to. I don't want to waste all that soil now, I've built up about 75 gallons of it. I might just have to start providing the P and K sooner as I believe the recipe really skimps on K as I recall.
the subcool method is really an inferior one.
you want a humus rich mix, predicated on meal-based nutrients, NOT layered.
ironically its easier to make it right, rather than worry about all the weirdness that is the subs "super"soil...
 

CriticalCheeze

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Well soil PH is about a 6.9 according to my meter, even after the watering the other day. I'm just scared to give it more K (at an appropriate PH level) for fear of doing more harm. It seems that as far as nutrients go, obviously the biggest part of any grow, I'm still at a loss. Which sucks!

If you can, bring it down to 6.4-6.5
 

CriticalCheeze

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Dont worry about soil ph. just ph what you put in to that 6.4-6.5 range and your soil will buffer over time. PH after you add nutes. (im sure you know this) Just watch it closely. if it dont show improvement over about 2-3 days then i would give it some (K) that is one of the elements you don't want to run dry too long. Same with phosphorous and calcium. Too much calcium will fuck up Potassium availability though.
 

Lordhooha

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I think I might have to. I don't want to waste all that soil now, I've built up about 75 gallons of it. I might just have to start providing the P and K sooner as I believe the recipe really skimps on K as I recall.
With good organic soil I don't even worry about soil ph only the ph of the water I put in. With super soil to don't do it like when you ran synthetic nutrients you don't want any runoff. Just water until just a little comes from the bottom and let it soak it back up. Also I would water once every seven days with great white or mammoth p I chose the latter as it works really well and does wonders in super soil and regular soil grows. Like grease monkey said don't give up on the organic stuff man it's worth getting it down.
 

Lordhooha

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I have two guys I know that use super soil and mammoth-p and it's insane what their plants look like you just have to be careful with it insuper soil though it really helps unlocking what's in that soil. Here's the little blurb for using it in super soil.

SUPER SOILMAMMOTH P™ primarily helps mobilize mineral and organic phosphates to promote healthy plant growth and improve plant yield. These microbes are very effective at mineralizing slow release fertilizers found in many 'all in one' water only soils, such as super soil and recycled soils. Because GrowCentia selectively bred this microbial community to actively cycle nutrients up to 30x greater than how they functioned in nature, in some cases these microbes may be TOO POWERFUL to use across the entire bloom growth stage. GrowCentia encourages you to use MAMMOTH P™sparingly until you have more experience using the product in your super soil system.
 
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