Ionic liquid nutrients. The ultimate solution. Anyone else swear by this product?

since1991

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Because Ionic is not as pricey nor fancy labeld nor marketed aggressively it has taken a back seat to more marketed and trendy brands.....let me tell yoh the facts (and ive used them all) .....you will not see much of a difference in this base nute compared to others all other factors being equal.
 

since1991

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What alot of inexpensive nute lines suffer from is noob grower syndrome. The noobs buy an inexpensive line(beginners dont have alot of initial cash- and it all goes towards the lamp) thats quite effective but fuk up the crop someway. Change nute line brands and get a better one. Then repeat this process until they crank out a decent respectable crop and stick with the brand that they think got them there. It wasnt the nute brands at all. Its just that they became better growers with successive crops. But they dont know the actual science behind horticulture so they get into brand loyalty wars. When it was all noob grower learning from the very beginning. Nutes play a very small roll in decent crops. They all work. They all do pretty much the same damn thing. I know this from wasting my money for the last 25 years buying them.
 
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BusyBee75

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LMFAO, I hear you, but all in all , I've had the same growing style, same super-soil, same LST techniques. I used to be a canna product freak, until a store owner using "Ionic" told me that all of the above was a waste of money. Try this product. I've never used anything else again. Look at my first auto flower garden. Been growing over 20 yrs, now I'm hooked. Lol . The pics are of four plants. Auto berry Ryder(super auto), auto purple( a freebie from Spanish seeds, is no info on it is an experimental hybrid, super auto. And the last two are Auto Mako Haze(10 weeks seed to harvest) and Auto Sugar Baby. Both from Kiwi seeds.
 

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intenseneal

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I have never bought i to the hole mutli bottles of this nute and that nute bloom boosters and super dooper bud blow uppers. I have basically just done veg nute, bloom nute, calmag, play with sweets some with no major differences and LKB pk booster. There is no need for all the extra crap so save your money for lighting, grow space environment control and good genetics. All you need is a basic veg, nute, bloom nute and a good cal and mag source. I have never used Ionic or Canna but i hear good things about both. Imo if doing cocc Canna is the only way to go. It seems very simple and is cheap. I have been using Botanicare Pro grow and Bloom soil which are 1 part nutes and they have worked well for me at about 75% strength. I am trying a new all in one powder nute next run and from Hydroponics Research called Veg+Bloom Dirty, heard good things about this company and it is made for and tested on cannabis plants. There is a soil formula Dirty, an hydro Original formula for ro or tap water and a new one called HD for coco and hydro.
 

since1991

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Ionic is one of the cheapest and simple nutrient brands out there that contains everything a plant needs to thrive. Ive grown 2+ lbs crops (heavy yielding varieties) under 1000 watt lamps using nothing but Ionic bloom 3-2-6 at 4 tspns per gallon of decent tap water.
 
Yes. You only need two bottles! and you can use whatever other products with it, e.g seaweed....


I am on day 56 of flower. Day 61 is harvest day.

Been flushing for two weeks now.

I feed only 600ish ppm's with ionic!


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since1991

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Yeah and at about 35 to 40$ a gallon its cost effective. Ive been using Ionic base nutrient for years. Actually i use most of the HDI line. Nitrozime with Fossil Fuel as a weekly foliar spray in veg is the best additive ive ever used. And Bcuzz or Greenfuse (same thing) root and bloom stimulators are very effective. I try new additives every now and again but these pretty much is what i always go back to. It works. Its cheap and reliable.
 
Yeah and at about 35 to 40$ a gallon its cost effective. Ive been using Ionic base nutrient for years. Actually i use most of the HDI line. Nitrozime with Fossil Fuel as a weekly foliar spray in veg is the best additive ive ever used. And Bcuzz or Greenfuse (same thing) root and bloom stimulators are very effective. I try new additives every now and again but these pretty much is what i always go back to. It works. Its cheap and reliable.
exactly, i read so much about nutrients and other companies that i didn't know which nutrient to pick for my first time grow so i wanted something easy, saw a journal of someone using it and i ended up just buying Grow/Bloom and PK and Seaweed extract.

i needed something none chemical since its personal grow, so i thought salts would be better. I think i'll just stink to Ionic when grow again next year...
 

since1991

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It can get mind boggling especially for newer growers going in them stores. The big time pros mix thier own salt nutrients. Too much hassle for smaller basement operations. For me anyways. I know one thing....you dont need all that crap in the hydro stores to feed cannabis. Ionic grow and bloom is all you need. I use the fossil fuel humic and nitrozime seaweed and thier silica for additives but there not necessary. I really dont even use there pk boost anymore. I might if i got extra cash but lately i havent. There Greenfuse bloom stimulator (which is seaweed also but extremely concentrated) adds weight and quality to my crop. It can prolong flowering with new stacks of pistil clusters but this is only on certain strains of mine. Just went today and bought a 2.5 gallon of bloom and grow each. And another gallon of fossil fuel. Thats shit will last me quite a few runs. Ionic....simple cheap and does what its supposed to do. Nothing more nothing less.
 
It can get mind boggling especially for newer growers going in them stores. The big time pros mix thier own salt nutrients. Too much hassle for smaller basement operations. For me anyways. I know one thing....you dont need all that crap in the hydro stores to feed cannabis. Ionic grow and bloom is all you need. I use the fossil fuel humic and nitrozime seaweed and thier silica for additives but there not necessary. I really dont even use there pk boost anymore. I might if i got extra cash but lately i havent. There Greenfuse bloom stimulator (which is seaweed also but extremely concentrated) adds weight and quality to my crop. It can prolong flowering with new stacks of pistil clusters but this is only on certain strains of mine. Just went today and bought a 2.5 gallon of bloom and grow each. And another gallon of fossil fuel. Thats shit will last me quite a few runs. Ionic....simple cheap and does what its supposed to do. Nothing more nothing less.

Nice to know bro, yeah i sensed that the guy at the hydro thinks i'm retarded and he could milk me dry even though i'm trying to weigh in the cost of growing or buying, you know.

It cost 50 euro for 2 grams of harsh weed here and most dealers give 1.8 grams!!!


But since i choose Ionic i think i made a huge savings plus i got weed to cover me for a good while.
 

skoalmint614

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the only thing i sware by is that any expensive nutrient is a rip off , you can get the same exact nutrient levels in a cheap product
 

OneHitDone

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I would have to agree with all of the positive talk in this thread about Ionic, excellent clean nutrient that the plants just suck up.

Anyone playing with amino type products on top of the ionic base for boosting terp production?
 

since1991

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I would have to agree with all of the positive talk in this thread about Ionic, excellent clean nutrient that the plants just suck up.

Anyone playing with amino type products on top of the ionic base for boosting terp production?
I sometimes use a soy plant protein hydrolysate (amino acids) in dry powder from kelp4less in a weekly foliar spray in veg. With kelp..fulvic acid and yucca. I buy in bulk powders and mix a pinch of each in a quart spray bottle and hose my ladies down. Once a week in veg and first 2 weeks of 12 - 12. Aminos...fulvic...and kelps are most effective as a foliar spray but can be used at the root level (rhizosphere) as well. I was told this by Harley Smith and backed that up by a team of plant biologists at Michigan State University. I visit these dudes once in a awhile to see what they are up to if the timing permits. One thing i was told is to add aminos and fulvics to a hard (0.4 or higher EC) tap water. If the hardness is mostly calcium and magnesium carbonates and iron.... the aminos and humic/fulvic acid makes the carbonates/iron much more available to the plant. You just made a hard tap water into a calmag basically. Especially useful for a calmag and iron hungry substrate like coco coir. At anyrate...these foliar biostimulants make for a dramatic difference compared to control plants under same conditions. Your lanky sativas and og based hybrids will be more compact. Shorter. A lush deep green ( you need far less minerals in the base feed at the roots - especially nitrogen - they just use it so much more effectively and efficiently) with side branch nodes everywhere. A plant topped once or twice looks topped 10 times. Iam not kidding. What people dont realize is that plants in nature get nitrogen more in the ammoniacal version. With nitrate based feeds in a more artificial environment - a plant expends alot of its useful energy to assimilate the nitrates and other minerals. Energy that can be used for other duties. Like producing fat budding flowers. With the above biostimulants in a foliar spray...they act as a catalyst of sorts to steer the plant into what you want it to do. It frees up energy the plant can use for other things. Even outdoors if its practical...a kelp/fulvic/amino foliar spray every so often makes plants take right off. In the early days of the nor cal scene in the eighties...growers called these sprays " California Rocket Fuel". I talked to Ed Rosenthal at a Hash Bash back in 1989 before I really started seriously growing about this subject. The conversation was enlightening to say the least. Good shit.
 
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OneHitDone

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Would you care to share a run down on your nutrient formula for the root zone and media you are using?
Have you stopped using the dry Kelp instead of Nitrozyme? Notice any performance differences?
 

since1991

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Would you care to share a run down on your nutrient formula for the root zone and media you are using?
Have you stopped using the dry Kelp instead of Nitrozyme? Notice any performance differences?
I go back and forth between Canna and Ionic. Depending on what mood iam in at the hydro store..what strains in my stable really get off on what iam prepared to buy. But basically I follow the Canna light feed chart on thier website. The Canna calculator. For Ionic/HDI products I follow that feed chart pretty much to the letter as well. Its spot on. For foliar feeding I still use Nitrozime as my kelp. One tsp per quart spray bottle but for aminos yucca and fulvic acid i use the dry powders from kelp4less. Just a small pinch of each in the same quart spray bottle. Shake it up teal good..spray the canopy really well...trying to hit top and underside of leaf sets as best i can. Once a week. I use Canna brick coco for medium. I also use from time to time Botanicare Readygro Moisture Formula coco coir. Its good stuff. I go from rooted cutting in plugs (root riots..peat pucks...rockwool starts - all the same) to a 4" nursery pot or red dixie solo cup with holes...to a one gallon gorw bag...and final pot is a 3 gallon root pruning fabric pot. Smartpots and Geopots work well for me.
 

OneHitDone

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I go back and forth between Canna and Ionic. Depending on what mood iam in at the hydro store..what strains in my stable really get off on what iam prepared to buy. But basically I follow the Canna light feed chart on thier website. The Canna calculator. For Ionic/HDI products I follow that feed chart pretty much to the letter as well. Its spot on. For foliar feeding I still use Nitrozime as my kelp. One tsp per quart spray bottle but for aminos yucca and fulvic acid i use the dry powders from kelp4less. Just a small pinch of each in the same quart spray bottle. Shake it up teal good..spray the canopy really well...trying to hit top and underside of leaf sets as best i can. Once a week.
Have you noticed any difference with the dry Fulvic vs. Fossil Fuel Humic in your foliar? The plants do seem to respond very well to those foliar sprays :hump:
 

since1991

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Have you noticed any difference with the dry Fulvic vs. Fossil Fuel Humic in your foliar? The plants do seem to respond very well to those foliar sprays :hump:
Not really. Its all humic/fulvic acid. The only difference is source. Most use leonardite shale. The good ones..with a high amount of plant soluble fulvic acid (the more yellow/golden in color the better) come from ancient peat. BioAg makes probably the best in liquid form called FulPower. Its golden piss yellow. And good shit. Excellent when paired with Nitrozime and yucca as a foliar. But to be honest...Between Fossil Fuel..Fulpower..and dry fulvic I havent noticed a difference except the leonardite black coffee colored ones like F. Fuel and all the rest leave spots on the leaves and a sediment that coats a reservoir..plumbing and pumps.
 
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