Inducing a hermaphrodite for breeding?

hexthat · Mar 18, 2015

I have yet to try to breed using only females. I would like to breed a forced hermi Lemon Larry OG clone to an Animal Cookies clone. I'm thinking the offspring will have higher chances of being hermi, but just one jem is all I'm looking for.

Was thinking about doing a big project also. Maybe hermi Lemon Larry OG and pollenate my other two types of OG with it and sprout em all out at once and look for a male. Is it possible to get a male from two females? I'm not sure how cannaibs genetics work do they have xy xx or is it something crazy like xxxx xxxy xxyy xyyy yyyy ect.

I've done some basic breeding in the past, male to female. Sprout a few hundo seeds at a time and look for a few females I like and keep clones of them and kill off the other 90+ plants. I'm aware that in just 4 crosses you can get THC-less weed, its never happen to me though, got the a good system for picking females I guess.

Sativied · Mar 18, 2015

THC-less weed :lol:

You're using the word "breed" wrong. Crossing plants, pollinating females, making fem beans, is not breeding.

And yes female is XX, male XY.

And no, they won't have a higher hermie chance per se.
Search the forums for Tiresias Mist, STS, CS (colloidal silver)l which you can use to make a female grow male balls, which has pollen with only X, no Y, so all offspring will be XX, female.

WeedFreak78 · Mar 18, 2015

Sativied said:
THC-less weed

You're using the word "breed" wrong. Crossing plants, pollinating females, making fem beans, is not breeding.

Expand on this, as far as i can tell, crossing plants is breeding, if, like in this case, it's being done to enhance or carry a certain characteristic, otherwise i guess it's just considered cultivation? Unless you need the complete cycle of mating to offspring to be complete to be considered breeding? Then it's not truly breeding until the seeds are sprouted...too much semantics?

breed·ing
ˈbrēdiNG/
noun
noun: breeding
the mating and production of offspring by animals.
"palolo worms use the moon to time their breeding"
synonyms:reproduction, procreation;More
mating
"the birds pair for breeding"
rearing, raising, nurturing
"the breeding of laboratory rats"

the activity of controlling the mating and production of offspring of animals.
"the breeding of rats and mice for experiments"
training and education, especially in proper social behavior.
"a girl of good breeding"

CC Dobbs · Mar 18, 2015

Not a good idea

WeedFreak78 · Mar 18, 2015

hexthat said:
I have yet to try to breed using only females. I would like to breed a forced hermi Lemon Larry OG clone to an Animal Cookies clone. I'm thinking the offspring will have higher chances of being hermi, but just one jem is all I'm looking for.

Sativied said:
And no, they won't have a higher hermie chance per se.

Higher chance compared to what? Non hermie crosses..of course. You are breeding with a plant with hermaphroditic traits, it may or may not breed down. If it was something you were looking t do as a long term keeper, i would say it's not worth it.. that trait might not show again, or it could show up years down the road.

hexthat · Mar 18, 2015

I'm looking for a clone not something for breeding with, ya da mean?

WeedFreak78 · Mar 18, 2015

hexthat said:
I'm looking for a clone not something for breeding with, ya da mean?

hexthat said:
I have yet to try to breed using only females. I would like to breed a forced hermi Lemon Larry OG clone to an Animal Cookies clone. I'm thinking the offspring will have higher chances of being hermi, but just one jem is all I'm looking for.

Was thinking about doing a big project also. Maybe hermi Lemon Larry OG and pollenate my other two types of OG with it and sprout em all out at once and look for a male. Is it possible to get a male from two females? I'm not sure how cannaibs genetics work do they have xy xx or is it something crazy like xxxx xxxy xxyy xyyy yyyy ect.

I've done some basic breeding in the past, male to female. Sprout a few hundo seeds at a time and look for a few females I like and keep clones of them and kill off the other 90+ plants. I'm aware that in just 4 crosses you can get THC-less weed, its never happen to me though, got the a good system for picking females I guess.

WTF are you talking about...either you are trying to breed two strains into one to get specific traits you like..or your thinking you can combine two plants and get a clone?..I'm F'ing confused now..this is why I don't help people.

hexthat · Mar 18, 2015

yeah dude i want bomb stocks like lemon larry og but not over powering lemon smell

hexthat · Mar 18, 2015

http://www.genetic.org/Knowledge/WhatAreXYChromosomeVariations.aspx

humans can have crazy xxy and stuff, does cannabis?

Sativied · Mar 18, 2015

WeedFreak78 said:
Higher chance compared to what? Non hermie crosses..of course. You are breeding with a plant with hermaphroditic traits, it may or may not breed down. If it was something you were looking t do as a long term keeper, i would say it's not worth it.. that trait might not show again, or it could show up years down the road.

No, no. No, no, and no. If you really want to discuss that ol' wives tale, find someone else, or just search the forum for my username and hermie or intersex or feminized. Creating feminized seeds does not equal genetic modification which you essentially imply, it does not alter the DNA hence does not alter the genes or chromosomes passed on to offspring.

WeedFreak78 said:
Expand on this

Strictly taken, grammatically, the word fits for his actions in general. One does however not breed two existing plants, but a strain or a variety by selecting, tracking inheritance, aka gene mapping. Breeding is figuring out the genotypes behind the phenotypes and crossing one or more selected plants in a generation, for several generations.

Regardless, I was referring to his first use in particular, one simply does not "breed" one clone "to" another clone. Crossing two clones could be the start of a breeding project, i.e. to create variation from which one can select new varieties to in turn breed true into seed form.

Breeding plants... not animals. The major difference between those two is what's relevant here.

Mating/crossing plants, pollenating, and creating feminized seeds is by itself not plant breeding, at most a possible part within an actual breeding project.

hexthat · Mar 18, 2015

I'm not talking about forcing a clone to hermi and get seeds from it. I want to take pellon from lemon larry og and place it on animal cookies or another og type, not lemon larry og.

Go troll somewhere else @Sativied.

Sativied · Mar 18, 2015

hexthat said:
Go troll somewhere else @Sativied.

Skip my posts if you rather remain ignorant, or go cry somewhere else...

hexthat · Mar 18, 2015

The Lemon Larry OG clone is said to be polyploid, Idk how that will effect genetics of seeds. The Lemon Larry OG cut makes some awesome buds.

pic taken 3/18/15

BDOGKush · Mar 18, 2015

Get some collodial silver and collect pollen using that method. Forcing your plant to hermi in order for you to cross pollinate is counterproductive.

WeedFreak78 · Mar 19, 2015

Sativied said:
No, no. No, no, and no. If you really want to discuss that ol' wives tale, find someone else, or just search the forum for my username and hermie or intersex or feminized. Creating feminized seeds does not equal genetic modification which you essentially imply, it does not alter the DNA hence does not alter the genes or chromosomes passed on to offspring.

Yes,yes,yes,yes and yes...lol. If I'm understanding the OP correctly, he's trying to use pollen from a forced hermie plant to pollinate a different fem plant..therefore genetic swapping..if he was just trying to self pollinate a plant i would agree with you, there is no genetic modification. The seeds produced from the cross will have the hermie-prone genetics passed down, but whether they are active or no..who knows until you grow it out.

Sativied said:
Strictly taken, grammatically, the word fits for his actions in general. One does however not breed two existing plants, but a strain or a variety by selecting, tracking inheritance, aka gene mapping. Breeding is figuring out the genotypes behind the phenotypes and crossing one or more selected plants in a generation, for several generations.

Regardless, I was referring to his first use in particular, one simply does not "breed" one clone "to" another clone. Crossing two clones could be the start of a breeding project, i.e. to create variation from which one can select new varieties to in turn breed true into seed form.

Breeding plants... not animals. The major difference between those two is what's relevant here.

Mating/crossing plants, pollenating, and creating feminized seeds is by itself not plant breeding, at most a possible part within an actual breeding project.

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this concept, I would think if I crossed a durban poison with a blueberry it would be breeding the two plants..if not what is it called? mating? cultivation?propagation?

Sativied · Mar 19, 2015

WeedFreak78 said:
Yes,yes,yes,yes and yes...lol. If I'm understanding the OP correctly, he's trying to use pollen from a forced hermie plant to pollinate a different fem plant..therefore genetic swapping..if he was just trying to self pollinate a plant i would agree with you, there is no genetic modification. The seeds produced from the cross will have the hermie-prone genetics passed down, but whether they are active or no..who knows until you grow it out.

You sir, are talking out of your ass and clear don't understand how DNA is passed on to offspring. Feminizing is not genetic modification, and it doesn't magically become genetic modification either just for using the pollen on a different plant. Heck, even most hermaphobists would disagree that selfing is better...

What is passed on is the ability to be forced to hermi. Nurture vs nature...

WeedFreak78 said:
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this concept

That's ok, so do many self-proclaimed and commercial breeders too. They too think crossing two plants equals breeding. And after they done, they created a new strain, that deserves its own name :lol:

hexthat · Mar 19, 2015

Sativied said:
You sir, are talking out of your ass and clear don't understand how DNA is passed on to offspring. Feminizing is not genetic modification, and it doesn't magically become genetic modification either just for using the pollen on a different plant. Heck, even most hermaphobists would disagree that selfing is better...

What is passed on is the ability to be forced to hermi. Nurture vs nature...

That's ok, so do many self-proclaimed and commercial breeders too. They too think crossing two plants equals breeding. And after they done, they created a new strain, that deserves its own name

@Sativied your the only one talking out of your ass, you obviously have no clue what your talking about. You don't even fucking know that if a hermi pollinates itself the seeds can have different phenos, very common information.

"Fem or regular genes are an individual mix of its parents even if its parents are the same plant, due to the recombination of said plants genetic background in seed form. Some traits are dominant though meaning they will show more often in the offspring." - http://forum.sensiseeds.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=10656

"So people stupidly think that selfing a plant will get a 100% reproduction of the mother. This is not true even for a true breeding strain which breeds true for its traits. There is always the possibility that you may get a more production plant, a plant that doesn't produce much, a plant that has low resin production or high resin production. You may even get a male or a hermaphrodite. Now if you self a strain which is not true breeding for its traits this problem is magnified to the max." - http://skunkmagazine.com/forum/index.php?topic=15477.10;wap2

"The short answer is yes. Creating fem seeds doesn't make them uniform in one mating. Stabilizing a variety to the point of very uniform progeny takes time and diligence. Most of what you will receive today be they fem or standard seeds will have marked variation." - https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=239133

All gametes are not equal.

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