Indoor CFL Poppy Grow

Duster

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No problem theonesx, let me know how they turn out. If they are any good save some seeds! One pod, or even part of the seeds in a pod would be MORE than enough...

And about the varieties, tasmanian, for example, are quite potent, and found often in some culinary seeds... Its grown (you guessed it) in tasmania, and australia actually by some of the only legal poppy fields in the world. They harvest the opium more medical reasons, then market the seeds to culinary markets.

As for the Mccormick seeds, they use seeds from the Netherlands, most likely Dutch (this is all done via a google search, and McCormicks website itself). Dutch poppies arent the heaviest of producers, but actually have some of the better quality opium of all the strains. Thats one reason why I chose McCormicks seeds, because after a lot of research I found that they (should) be of good quality.

Now, if I WAS going to purchase seeds, I would want one of two types. Either a fast flowering (I hear tell of one that flowers in 55 days or less), or a super size/super yield monster. What I will likely do, space and money permitting, for my second grow is grow a different variety in each pot, or have one plant of each type (depending on how many pots, and how much space I have). My main concern is volume. Quality can be increased by purifying and what not, but your stuck with what you have. Of course a gram of 5% morphine content is the same as half a gram of 10%, so there has to be a balance.

I hear persian whites are super good, and like I said, tasmanian. Theres just so many varities, its hard to know which is best. A good way to go (seirously) I think... If your growing these for personal use that is... Go by looks. Sure you might not get that extra .02% morphine content, but who cares? If they look good, toss the seeds everywhere and youll have enough poppies to harvest all the crap you want.

Heres a link by the way, where I got my dutch poppy info: http://forum.poppies.org/lofiversion/index.php?t10546.html

It also mentions that the morphine content of the rest of the plant (other than the pod) is about 1/10 of the pod itself.
 

Duster

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Another daily update:




The first picture was taken with the light off, if you couldnt guess... And in the second one you can make out the new leaves coming in. Almost all the seedlings have this second set coming in, I also have culled about a dozen seedlings out of the main pot (doesnt look like it does it?). I need to remove many more but Im having such a hard time deciding which ones to remove! I feel so bad too haha killing all these plants.

FYI, the aformentioned 55 day flowering (yes FLOWERING) poppies that was cited in that video I linked to, well, the guy does sell it. Its the "Izmir Afghanistan".

Well, cant think of anything else to add... G'day guys
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coll

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id grow them outside personally. do they really stand out in the garden bed? i applaud your pioneering though, i have about 100 seeds i havent done anything with left over from an ill conceived plan.
 

Bratface

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Subscribed.... I can't wait to see if this works. Poppies are soooo pretty as well as providing potential fun...
 

nashbar

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you might be fucked

the sprouts in the big pot are way to close and they don't take well to transplanting.

a couple of the others look stretched and might not survive.

as for growing outside, poppies are illegal to propogate. and very easy to identify.

i grew in my garden over the summer. it's a fenced, private area. my 60yr old mom got hers pulled up by policia.
 

Duster

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Actually the sprouts in the pot are mostly going to be culled. The pot is only going to have uno (one) plant in it probably by the end of the weekend (I pull a few out each day, I need to sit down and just slaughter them, all but a couple).

Now, the more serious issue are the transplanted sprouts. The main reason I think a few of them look stretched is because when they were transplanted they were in a sort of mound of dirt that covered up a good portion of their stem. After a couple waterings, the water washed away some of the dirt (not that i was violent, it just did), and that exposed more of the stem.Im honestly not too worried about because while I have been showing pictures of the nearest 3 pots, the opposite three are actually doing much much better. Maybe tomorrow I will switch it up a bit and show you those.

And as far as planting outside... I cant do that because I live in an apartment, and I have no balcony. Shitty.
 

stilltokin

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No problem theonesx, let me know how they turn out. If they are any good save some seeds! One pod, or even part of the seeds in a pod would be MORE than enough...

And about the varieties, tasmanian, for example, are quite potent, and found often in some culinary seeds... Its grown (you guessed it) in tasmania, and australia actually by some of the only legal poppy fields in the world. They harvest the opium more medical reasons, then market the seeds to culinary markets.

As for the Mccormick seeds, they use seeds from the Netherlands, most likely Dutch (this is all done via a google search, and McCormicks website itself). Dutch poppies arent the heaviest of producers, but actually have some of the better quality opium of all the strains. Thats one reason why I chose McCormicks seeds, because after a lot of research I found that they (should) be of good quality.

Now, if I WAS going to purchase seeds, I would want one of two types. Either a fast flowering (I hear tell of one that flowers in 55 days or less), or a super size/super yield monster. What I will likely do, space and money permitting, for my second grow is grow a different variety in each pot, or have one plant of each type (depending on how many pots, and how much space I have). My main concern is volume. Quality can be increased by purifying and what not, but your stuck with what you have. Of course a gram of 5% morphine content is the same as half a gram of 10%, so there has to be a balance.

I hear persian whites are super good, and like I said, tasmanian. Theres just so many varities, its hard to know which is best. A good way to go (seirously) I think... If your growing these for personal use that is... Go by looks. Sure you might not get that extra .02% morphine content, but who cares? If they look good, toss the seeds everywhere and youll have enough poppies to harvest all the crap you want.

Heres a link by the way, where I got my dutch poppy info: http://forum.poppies.org/lofiversion/index.php?t10546.html

It also mentions that the morphine content of the rest of the plant (other than the pod) is about 1/10 of the pod itself.
Hey Duster, I live in Australia and if theres some of the most strongest poppies here then i will go out looking haha:mrgreen:. It would suck if you got caught with that grow, cultivating opium doesnt sound very good....
but i wish u the best of luck (ive never tried opium myself and i bet its crazy)
 

Duster

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Well shit dont jinx me! haha

Having some poppies indoors should be okay though. Long as I dont score the pods (which thats a ways off) then it should be okay. Of course it is technically illegal, but none the less, everyone does it. Hell you can buy poppy pods at craft stores.

As far as the Aussie poppys go, you guys do have some of the good shit. Go get some! Just send some seeds my way :D haha
 

coll

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Well shit dont jinx me! haha

Having some poppies indoors should be okay though. Long as I dont score the pods (which thats a ways off) then it should be okay. Of course it is technically illegal, but none the less, everyone does it. Hell you can buy poppy pods at craft stores.

As far as the Aussie poppys go, you guys do have some of the good shit. Go get some! Just send some seeds my way :D haha
those arent opium poppys though at the craft store. i do recall reading the process in doing this at harvest time and thats what caused me to back off, curing was difficult, processing even worse and a 5 by 5 plot doesnt even cut it for one persons consumption, 1 plant in the end wont be cost effective and meant for nothing else than to look pretty.
 

Buffalo Bill

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I hate to say it but they will probably all be dead in a few days. I have never had any success growing popies under cfl. Good luck tho. They always seem to stall out.
 

Duster

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Depends on the variety you get at the store. Check out ebay for poppy pods and they even list them by their latin name. Theres a couple poppy boards you can check out too and they talk often about opium tea from the dried pods at stores. Its all a matter of the right variety. Of course I dont think dried california poppies would so much to you...

And a 5x5 plot (assuming you mean feet) would be more than enough for one person. Well... Not to sustain any real amount no... But would you really want a "limitless" supply of opiates anyway?

But check this out, first off (and Im only doing this to curb the skeptics), http://cgi.ebay.com/12-Dried-Poppy-Pods-Papaver-Somniferum-2008-Mediums_W0QQitemZ330273708590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item330273708590&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318 thats dried pods, just the kind we want. To make a drinkable tea, coffee grind em up (or just grind them in the matter you so choose), simmer (not boil) in water for a length of time (varies with the source, I would imagine the longer the better, assuming your not decomposing your alkaloids). Filter out the plant matter and you will be left with an off color liquid. Add desired flavorings (honey, regular tea, sugar, so on and so fourth) and consume at your leasure. Pretty easy. From what I gather, an average "dose" is 10 pods per person. Of course you should start with less to gauge your tolerance.

OR... after you filter our the plant matter, contiune to simmer the water until your left with a paste. Take the paste, roll into a ball of desired dosage and eat. Erm of course you can go the uhhh... mm... 'backdoor' route if you so desire, but to each his own.

So that covers what you can do with the crap you get on ebay/craft stores, what about growing?

A 5x5 plot is 25 square feet, thats at LEAST 25 plants. Each plant produces several pods, do the math with each pot yielding give or take a gram (hell, HALF a gram), thats around 12 grams of opium latex. Thats 1.2 grams (give or take) straight up morphine. Is it enough to keep you going for a month? Doubtful, but most opium smokers suggest no more than once a week, so you should be good for at least a couple weeks at that rate. Besides, a 5x5 plot isnt that big anyways. You could easily grow that indoors.

But take in some other variables, take for example that 55 day flowering strain, which supposedly has a decent alkaloid content as well. You could get a harvest every 2 or 3 months at that rate, so you could (in theroy here) sustain a weekly habit with maybe 4 5x5 plots, not a big deal in an average backyard. But all that is way beyond the scope of my little grow here. This is a proof of concept, that poppys can be grown indoors with cheap lighting and still produce their product.

All that being said, poppys (the opium kinds) are easy to find, easy to grow (thus far for me anyway) and make a neat little novelty drug you can do every so often. Think of it as going to the movies or a fancy dinner. You dont do it every night, but once in a while its a special treat. Thats how Im looking at this.

Im sure a die hard opiate addict wouldnt bother with growing their own unless they lived out in the boonies, but for the lowly (and cheap) apartment dweller like myself, a not-so-incriminating flower indoors is much more subtle than a grow room with HPS, MH and carbon filters with more reflective crap than apollo.

In short, you want an opium high quick and cheap, buy the pods, you want the adventure, or wanna smoke the shit, grow em...

Or you can skip the runaround and do heroin, but wheres the fun in that?

Edit: Bill, could you tell me about your CFLs? Specifically the heat? (not thermal, but light)
 

Duster

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Here is todays update... Pictures tell the story... I finally thinned out most of my plats, save for three. We'll see who grows the best, and they get to stay. Also enclosed some pics of root devlopment for the seedlings, as well as a couple shots of the huge mass of seedlings I removed.




 

atmt888

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I have grown poppies under CFL. They were small and useless and i would suspect that this will always be the case under CFLs. These plants were made for the outside. As far as opium is concerned, don't waste your time scoring and scraping. The yields are too small to make it worth it unless you have access to slave labor. Instead, just let the pods dry out and make tea with them. The tea is very very good if made correctly (still awful tasting though). Personallly I find poppy tea much better and longer lasting than pain pills. Also, it's much harder to get addicted to the tea.
 

intensive

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any idea about the spice brand Durkee? i found a bigass shaker bottle of them in the spice cubbard and just curious
 

CustomHydro

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any idea about the spice brand Durkee? i found a bigass shaker bottle of them in the spice cubbard and just curious
If u can go and grow some Opium with Durkee Poppies out of the cupboard something is wrong with this country...
Hell, I don't see the difference between that and McCormick and that is what this guy is doing.
 

LostInSpace...

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Hi all, I thought I would join in and let you see what I've been up too...

The poppies were about 4 weeks old and growing under a 2ft flouro. Unfortunately I pulled them all but I have another dedicated poppy grow on the go now

They are Masterfoods poppy seeds from the spice rack....

 

Duster

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Gah. SOrry for the highly belated reply to everything. I dont have the time to make a long detailed post about whats going on, so I'll just let the pictures do the talking.



 

Duster

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No pics this time, just too lazy to take them, but I went about 2 or 3 days with the lights on the whole time, and let me tell you, what a fucking growth spurt! At least a 50% increase in size and number of leafs. Easily. Just make sure you keep the soil moist in all this. I have noticed however that they are getting more and more drought resistant. When they were much younger I lost one plant to dehydration, but now bone dry soil doesnt phase them... Nice.
 
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