if welfare is a trap and makes you a slave on the liberal plantation...

abandonconflict

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Hey man, it sucks when the weak minded are put in situations they can't handle. I'm not making fun, in fact, I'm pitying you for the unfortunate choice you made and couldn't handle.
You have got to be shitting me. You are so fucking butt hurt that you are going to resort to trolling me because I'm service connected disabled by the VA after combat tours?

You're more of a troll than Echelon1k1.
 

ginwilly

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You have got to be shitting me. You are so fucking butt hurt that you are going to resort to trolling me because I'm service connected disabled by the VA after combat tours?

You're more of a troll than Echelon1k1.
Not trolling, you get a genuine thanks for trying. Not everyone is cut out of for active duty. I sure wasn't, so I didn't serve. It's nothing to be ashamed of man, many people are weak minded.

At least you are not so weak minded you have to mock family members deaths like some here.
 

Rob Roy

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You have got to be shitting me. You are so fucking butt hurt that you are going to resort to trolling me because I'm service connected disabled by the VA after combat tours?

You're more of a troll than Echelon1k1.

I'm puzzled. You are some kind of "anarchist", yet you rely on coercive government funding ? Hmmm.
 

abandonconflict

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I'm puzzled. You are some kind of "anarchist", yet you rely on coercive government funding ? Hmmm.
I'm puzzled, you are some kind of anarchist, yet you rely on gov't to protect your private property and yet begrudge them for not allowing you to be a segregationist? hmmm.
 

Rob Roy

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I'm puzzled, you are some kind of anarchist, yet you rely on gov't to protect your private property and yet begrudge them for not allowing you to be a segregationist? hmmm.

I do not rely on government to protect or respect my private property. I expect them to extort and be what they are...coercive.

Also, the racist bit is a little old too., I had thought you were smarter than Uncle Buck. Also, I'm not a segregationist. I believe all individuals should decide with whom they will associate and that no people have a right to force an association. A segregationist advocates and practices segregation, I do not. I practice minding my own business.

So, you are an Anarcho - parasite eh ? Why am I not surprised you were a phony.
 

Padawanbater2

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A free ride =/= equal opportunity

Conservative argument - "do it yourself, I did!"

Liberal reply - "I want to do it myself, the opportunities you were fortunate to receive are not available to me, so how do you suggest I do it myself?"

Conservative reply - "::baseless arguments, personal attacks::"

Conservatives believe the opportunities they were afforded are still equally afforded to everyone

I'm not really sure why conservatives believe that, as most of them can't stop talking about how much America has turned to shit the past few decades, everything except equal opportunities apparently, and yet every measurable statistic says otherwise; significantly higher cost of secondary education, stagnating or lower wages (no overtime, no benefits, less full time positions available, etc.), higher cost of living, higher gas prices, higher food prices, higher insurance prices for younger people, to name a few..

Imo, for conservatives to admit this would mean they'd have to give up the "do it yourself" argument, and beyond that, what is there?



Watch, enter baseless arguments and personal attacks. I'll get no genuine replies to this post, only more of the same old tired bullshit that's always posted when someone makes a valid point.
 

abandonconflict

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I do not rely on government to protect or respect my private property. I expect them to extort and be what they are...coercive.

Also, the racist bit is a little old too., I had thought you were smarter than Uncle Buck. Also, I'm not a segregationist. I believe all individuals should decide with whom they will associate and that no people have a right to force an association. A segregationist advocates and practices segregation, I do not. I practice minding my own business.

So, you are an Anarcho - parasite eh ? Why am I not surprised you were a phony.
So you think veterans ought to be homeless? If it weren't for gov't, I wouldn't be a veteran and therefore wouldn't be disabled.

You're a segregationist. That's why you believe that individuals have the right to exclude people from their "property". If it weren't for gov't, there would be no private property.
 

ginwilly

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A free ride =/= equal opportunity

Conservative argument - "do it yourself, I did!"

Liberal reply - "I want to do it myself, the opportunities you were fortunate to receive are not available to me, so how do you suggest I do it myself?"

Conservative reply - "::baseless arguments, personal attacks::"

Conservatives believe the opportunities they were afforded are still equally afforded to everyone

I'm not really sure why conservatives believe that, as most of them can't stop talking about how much America has turned to shit the past few decades, everything except equal opportunities apparently, and yet every measurable statistic says otherwise; significantly higher cost of secondary education, stagnating or lower wages (no overtime, no benefits, less full time positions available, etc.), higher cost of living, higher gas prices, higher food prices, higher insurance prices for younger people, to name a few..

Imo, for conservatives to admit this would mean they'd have to give up the "do it yourself" argument, and beyond that, what is there?

Watch, enter baseless arguments and personal attacks. I'll get no genuine replies to this post, only more of the same old tired bullshit that's always posted when someone makes a valid point.
That's racist!! j/k

I agree with you. Just because conservatives are able and capable enough to take care of themselves doesn't mean everyone is. Liberals, as you have pointed out, need help.

(yankin your chain Pad, and proving your point for ya:))
 

Padawanbater2

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You have the right to refuse an association.
Sure, I agree. But the degree of force with which you utilize that right is probably where I'd disagree, I'm not really sure on your stance.

For example, if I run a business, my right to "refuse an association" with someone who comes into my shop disappears because of the laws of the country we live in, given each of the parameters you listed (black, white, gay, etc.)

If I don't want to hang out with black people, gay people, women, whatever, that's my right, but I don't have the right to refuse someone a good/service based on those things. I have the right to open shop in some place that does allow me to refuse people my goods/services.
 

Rob Roy

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So you think veterans ought to be homeless? If it weren't for gov't, I wouldn't be a veteran and therefore wouldn't be disabled.

You're a segregationist. That's why you believe that individuals have the right to exclude people from their "property". If it weren't for gov't, there would be no private property.
I think veterans were duped. Many of them swallowed the apple pie bullshit. Some are great guys, some are assholes, but that's not the point of our discussion here, so I'll lay off your Anarcho -parasitism for now.

You have the government and property relationship a bit askew I'm afraid. BECAUSE of government, there is no real private property or certainly not much of it.

I believe that individuals that homestead unowned property own it, since they have mixed their labor with the environs.

Have a good night
 

abandonconflict

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Yeah maybe those liberals ought to evolve from the neck up
Sure, I agree. But the degree of force with which you utilize that right is probably where I'd disagree, I'm not really sure on your stance.

For example, if I run a business, my right to "refuse an association" with someone who comes into my shop disappears because of the laws of the country we live in, given each of the parameters you listed (black, white, gay, etc.)

If I don't want to hang out with black people, gay people, women, whatever, that's my right, but I don't have the right to refuse someone a good/service based on those things. I have the right to open shop in some place that does allow me to refuse people my goods/services.
Your right to exclude people ends when you leave the home you dwell in.
 

althor

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That's racist!! j/k

I agree with you. Just because conservatives are able and capable enough to take care of themselves doesn't mean everyone is. Liberals, as you have pointed out, need help.

(yankin your chain Pad, and proving your point for ya:))
He did walk right into it though. :p
 

abandonconflict

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You have the government and property relationship a bit askew I'm afraid. BECAUSE of government, there is no real private property or certainly not much of it.
I agree about having been duped. I was duped.

you need to learn the difference between personal property and private property. We are having a semantic breakdown there like always. So when I say private property, I mean the property that requires force.
 

Padawanbater2

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That's racist!! j/k

I agree with you. Just because conservatives are able and capable enough to take care of themselves doesn't mean everyone is. Liberals, as you have pointed out, need help.

(yankin your chain Pad, and proving your point for ya:))
Liberals & conservatives these days feel the exact same pressures, I try to stress this point as much as anything I espouse on this site, the common struggle we all face today isn't a left v. right issue, it's an economic issue that is better characterized (but still not the total picture) by an up v. down issue. Anyone making less than $50K - $100K/year are all actually on the same side of the real issue whether they believe/accept it or not.

I've worked side by side with some of the most conservative people I've ever met, all of us making near the same amount, all with the same ideas/solutions/complaints..

That's particularly why it makes me so sick when I see millionaires who supposedly represent us on TV telling us what we need or what's best for us. None of them give a fuck about us. Liberals & conservatives alike soak it the fuck right up..

Divide and Conquer..
 

Rob Roy

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Ginwilly and robroy have major problems with civil rights for black people, but they are totally not racist pieces of shit.
It's not polite to to interrupt the big people when they're talking son.
Now here's a couple of bucks, run down to Wendy's and get yourself some supper and remember to wipe your shoes before you come back into the house....you must have stepped in dog poo last time - Uncle Bucks mom
 

earnest_voice

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If it weren't for gov't, I wouldn't be a veteran and therefore wouldn't be disabled.
Unless the draft got you the choice you made with your own free is why you're now a combat veteran. Please don't infer that the possibility of war was something that never crossed your mind. If you hated it so, why did you further volunteer for airborne school?
 
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