ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

lol omfg u t@lkin bout that hightimes hash ma,hine lol u dont meed it at alll u need tomake hash just likr ud make green dragon cept u gota double boil.or evap it use strong alcho)ol 91% orhigher kind.frim gen stores.for hash drinkin kind aka golden grain igf ur goona make an extract canibiods atnt even water soluable, glad u.bought that thing ?

do nt read hightimes if u own a credit card and.are high ull waste money on there ovwr priced fancy added bs google is ur best freind

tahoe shatter bro said:

Pretty ironic rise bashes anything solvent related, yet he is still making BHO.

Rise and "ice wax" and being a so called extractavist are what's goofy

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It's not really. Everyone knew he was shatter bros.

Sometimes you have to make products you don't like to pay the rent. I doubt there is more than 5 people on planet earth making a living exclusively on making ice wax. There might not be anyone. Not exactly profitable.

MJtheIndicator said:

There must be some logical reason why shatter isn't being produced by the hundreds of kilogram and trafficked worldwide

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It most certainly is.

hyroot said:

no not true at all. melting depends on genetics. the amount of soluble oil terpenes present. Theres cleaning the trichomes, how long you wash it. The number of washes, freezing it, microplaning it. proper drying it at low temps. its a 5 day process. Its still better than any bho.

why would anyone want to inhale all the chemicals in bho, benzene, propane propellants, hydrocarbon propellants, propane, cyclopropane, dimethylmethane, freon, propylhydride, trimethylene, methylpropane, and petroleum. There no such thing as clean bho.

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That is a load of horseshit. There definitely is a such thing as clean bho. There's a lab test for that. It's not difficult to get it down to zero ppms residual solvent. Now how often is your bubble hash tested for microbiological life? I've seen a lot of bubble hash tests, nearly all of them test dirty as fuck. I'd rather inhale butane than aspergillus.

http://sclabs.com/sample-detail.html?id=107216

As far as being superior, that depends on how you're using it. Is a hammer superior to a screwdriver? It is if you're hammering a nail, not so much if you're taking apart a computer. Same goes for extracts. It's not that one is better than the other, it's that they have different uses. If your trying to get as high as possible in one dab for as long as possible, there is no substitute for bho. If you're trying to fill a vap pen bho is again superior. However if you're planning on dabbing several times a day on a regular basis cold water hash is definitely the best. People dabbing cold water hash can still function. People dabbing bho think they are functioning, but they aren't. For that use, cold water hash is better.

hyroot said:

its the dispensaries that set the price not Matt Rize. Pressed hash is the best there is. It goes for $30 a gram at the dispensaries. Most dispensary owners are about money and don't have the slightest idea about quality and terpenes.

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Actually neither is correct. Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. The consumer sets the prices. They also decide what goes on dispensary shelves. It's easy to villianize dispensary owners, but the fact is they sell what people want to buy. If 100 people a day walked into their dispensary to buy cold water hash they'd have a full shelf of it. But the fact is that those 100 people are coming in to buy bho. That's what the people want. It's not about greed. Dispensaries make the same margins off of cold water hash as bho. That is an intellectually lazy argument.

As far as terpenes go, clearly you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. Mid grade bho completely stomps out the most premium top shelf ice wax on the market in terms of total terpenes. What cold water hash can give you isn't more terpenes, it's different terpenes. You do generally get a more broad spectrum of terpenes in cold water hash, just in lower quantities. Because no heat is used in the process you're keeping terpenes like alpha pinene which typically aren't present in bho when you use heat to purge.

It's too bad people in the cannabis community feel the need to lie and spread ignorant bs about other people's products in order to sell their own. That's clearly what you're doing here. The thing is, if your product was that good you wouldn't need to say these things.

hyroot said:

all the dispensaries are dropping butane extracts from their inventory. They're all.losing their investments in thousands of dollars of equipment. So they gotta hate and create propaganda.

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That's simply not true. The concentrate market is currently at an all time high for both bho and high end cold water hash.

Dan Kone said:

That's simply not true. The concentrate market is currently at an all time high for both bho and high end cold water hash.

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well in California. A month ago a new law was passed and went into effect recently. No one even labs can legally produce bho. That makes the production of bho illegal and a mandatory 3 year sentence. The ones still carrying bho will get shut down. They all switched to co2 and bubble and rosin.

Colorado and Washington are the only states where bho product in is legal.

hyroot said:

well in California. A month ago a new law was passed and went into effect recently. No one even labs can legally produce bho. That makes the production of bho illegal and a mandatory 3 year sentence. The ones still carrying bho will get shut down. They all switched to co2 and bubble and rosin.

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That's not new. That law has been around for a while. And the law is about manufacturing bho, which has always been illegal. It's not illegal for dispensaries to sell it or for patients to possess it. I own a dispensary in California. I am in constant communication with several lawyers about compliance updates. I assure you that isn't happening. Check weedmaps. Everywhere in Cali there is bho for sale.

The only place in Cali that won't carry it is San Jose due to vertical integration mandates, and that won't start happening until mid July at the earliest.

Dan Kone said:

That's not new. That law has been around for a while. And the law is about manufacturing bho, which has always been illegal. It's not illegal for dispensaries to sell it or for patients to possess it. I own a dispensary in California. I am in constant communication with several lawyers about compliance updates. I assure you that isn't happening. Check weedmaps. Everywhere in Cali there is bho for sale.

The only place in Cali that won't carry it is San Jose due to vertical integration mandates, and that won't start happening until mid July at the earliest.

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thos a brand mew law. Nit amending the old law new. They're tracking down bho makers. 2 dispensaries got shut down for bho here.

before they would just confiscate everything. Now people are going to jail.

the old law was never a felony public endangerment. It was a misdemeanor before.

Dan Kone said:

That's not new. That law has been around for a while. And the law is about manufacturing bho, which has always been illegal. It's not illegal for dispensaries to sell it or for patients to possess it. I own a dispensary in California. I am in constant communication with several lawyers about compliance updates. I assure you that isn't happening. Check weedmaps. Everywhere in Cali there is bho for sale.

The only place in Cali that won't carry it is San Jose due to vertical integration mandates, and that won't start happening until mid July at the earliest.

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I live in San jose and I can verify this, many clubs here stopped carrying bho but there are still plenty that do (somehow?). Many clubs here don't carry many edibles here too because they must be made on site I believe.

WarMachine said:

I live in San jose and I can verify this, many clubs here stopped carrying bho but there are still plenty that do (somehow?). Many clubs here don't carry many edibles here too because they must be made on site I believe.

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July 17th is the cut off day. Maybe clubs are just complying early in the hopes that it helps get their permits approved.

However they are still allowed to purchase until July 17th. After that all products must be made on site. No bho allowed. No co2 technically either, however I think co2 oil will still be made at least for edibles. Cold water, rosin, and kief are ok as long as they are made on site.

hyroot said:

thos a brand mew law. Nit amending the old law new. They're tracking down bho makers. 2 dispensaries got shut down for bho here.

before they would just confiscate everything. Now people are going to jail.

the old law was never a felony public endangerment. It was a misdemeanor before.

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Again, it's production only that's a crime. Sales and possession are not.

I use mz12x and in San Jose.. where do I fall in..?

hyroot said:

just roomers and haters. Until someone actually produces a copy of a warrant with Matt Rizes name and what he said on it...... He's still in the mix. People say he doesn't go to cups. But I have seen him there.

its all the bho makers spreading roomers. Since matt taught everyone his method. The extract world has been taken over by non solvents. Bho has been on a major decline. For the past year bho has been going for half the price of ice wax. With rosin now and bho illegal to produce (3 year mandatory sentence). All the bho makers are out of a job.. So they spread as many roomers as they can.

people now realize even the cleanest bho causes brain damage, cancer, respiratory issues, metal poisoning, crystalizes your lungs, and destroys your liver. So they want clean organics now.

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Wtf are you talking. Causes cancer/brain damage. Show me the scientific studies/ where's ur proof? Matt rize is shatter bros (bho producers). He makes shatter because it's what the ppl want!

757growin said:

Wtf are you talking. Causes cancer/brain damage. Show me the scientific studies/ where's ur proof? Matt rize is shatter bros (bho producers). He makes shatter because it's what the ppl want!

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.wow here we go again. Use some common sense. Butane is made from petroleum. Even if you distill the butane and purge for 8 weeks. You wont remove everything. there's propylene glycol, propylene ethylene glycol, benzene, propane propellants, hydrocarbon propellants, propane, cyclopropane dimethylmethane, freon, propylhydride, trimethylene, methylpropane, petroleum in butane and bho.

there's hundreds of studies on the effects and health risks of these chemicals which some of these are in nutrients, pesticides, ecigs.

do a google search with .edu or oxford journals at the end.

if you really think chemicals are not harmful fo back to school and get your g.e.d. You must of dropped out of high school.

where did I say in that post about matt not making shatter. All I said was about the snitching being bullshit roomers.

yes it is.illegal to produce bho. Dispensaries are no longer carrying it.

Lots of technical terms. Still no study on bho out there. At what levels do all those chemicals affect you? Is there enough in the bho ur dabbing to hurt? Aren't these chemicals around us in our daily environment? Doesn't the epa even say certain amounts of radiation are ok. Sounds like a lot of fear spreading without solid studies or eveidence. Not saying ur wrong but your evidence to me is kind of weak

hyroot said:

.wow here we go again. Use some common sense. Butane is made from petroleum. Even if you distill the butane and purge for 8 weeks. You wont remove everything. there's propylene glycol, propylene ethylene glycol, benzene, propane propellants, hydrocarbon propellants, propane, cyclopropane dimethylmethane, freon, propylhydride, trimethylene, methylpropane, petroleum in butane and bho.

there's hundreds of studies on the effects and health risks of these chemicals which some of these are in nutrients, pesticides, ecigs.

do a google search with .edu or oxford journals at the end.

if you really think chemicals are not harmful fo back to school and get your g.e.d. You must of dropped out of high school.

where did I say in that post about matt not making shatter. All I said was about the snitching being bullshit roomers.

yes it is.illegal to produce bho. Dispensaries are no longer carrying it.

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757growin said:

Lots of technical terms. Still no study on bho out there. At what levels do all those chemicals affect you? Is there enough in the bho ur dabbing to hurt? Aren't these chemicals around us in our daily environment? Doesn't the epa even say certain amounts of radiation are ok. Sounds like a lot of fear spreading without solid studies or eveidence. Not saying ur wrong but your evidence to me is kind of weak


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ive posted study after study. im sick of doing it. I have nothing to prove. Its your health not mine take it or leave it. If you want the studies dig for them your self. Theyre easy to find via google. There are current studies going on with bho. People haveing crystalized lungs, pulmonary fibrosis from less than a year of smoking top quality bho. They're no hard to find either.

Let me go dab on it

hyroot said:

.wow here we go again. Use some common sense. Butane is made from petroleum. Even if you distill the butane and purge for 8 weeks. You wont remove everything. there's propylene glycol, propylene ethylene glycol, benzene, propane propellants, hydrocarbon propellants, propane, cyclopropane dimethylmethane, freon, propylhydride, trimethylene, methylpropane, petroleum in butane and bho.

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But that's not true? Most of those things generally aren't in bho. The ones that are can be purged out. You can test to confirm it.

hyroot said:

if you really think chemicals are not harmful fo back to school and get your g.e.d. You must of dropped out of high school.

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I'm not entirely certain you understand what the word chemical means. Just so you know, there are chemicals in your bubble hash too. There are pesticides, molds and fungi, even dihydrogen monoxide. Nasty stuff.

hyroot said:

yes it is.illegal to produce bho. Dispensaries are no longer carrying it.

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Again, not true. Really sounds like you've never actually been to a dispensary. https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/oakland-organics-2

Just pick any random dispensary off of weedmaps and you'll see they have a large sections of bho.

hyroot said:

ive posted study after study. im sick of doing it. I have nothing to prove. Its your health not mine take it or leave it. If you want the studies dig for them your self. Theyre easy to find via google. There are current studies going on with bho. People haveing crystalized lungs, pulmonary fibrosis from less than a year of smoking top quality bho. They're no hard to find either.

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I'll help you with that. Here are the solvents mainly used in bho.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0068.html
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0486.html
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0524.html

CDC exposure limits -
Butane - 800ppms
Pentane - 1000ppms
Propane - 1000ppms

Really easy to get your ppms down below those numbers.

There are no documented cases of those health effects you described. Only "a friend of my friend's sister's boyfriend had ___ happen". If those health effects existed law enforcement would be using them to launch a propaganda campaign.