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Gquebed

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There is a shortage of skilled workers and a shortage of people who want to become skilled workers.
There is a shortage of teachers and a shortage of people who want to become teachers.
Here in Northern California there is talk with some companies doing away with pre employment drug testing. All one has to do is google it, everyone knows what I'm saying is true!!! Its fucking Disneyland out here and its fucking great!!!!!!!!!!!
Alberta that skilled labour shortage problem too. And most companies stuck doing the pre-employment testing just to get decent workers. My company didn't and they really felt that pain. But now that the boom is over and everybody has left all that testing is become hardcore again in this province.
 

too larry

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Up here in Canada our Supreme Court has been very kind to medical marijuana users. They have ruled on our side on just about every single issue has reached the court.
You guys are lucky. Ours is to the right on most issues. Just hope the liberal judges can hang on for 7 more years.
 

Gquebed

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So when i go to my employer on tuesday to advise them of HRC's position and their eagerness to explain it, i want to go loaded with as much info as i can. The one thing i figure i will have trouble finding is where it says that once a doctor signs the forms i am legit...

Can anybody point that out to me? @VIANARCHRIS

I also plan to print off the HC manifesto for them that outines the "duty to accomodate" and such...
 

Gquebed

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You guys are lucky. Ours is to the right on most issues. Just hope the liberal judges can hang on for 7 more years.
We have some strong left and right leaning judges on our Suprememe court, but they dont seem to let the political agendas of those camps get in the way of objectivity and fairness. Meaning, they arent stuck in the tribalism of Politics that seems to be running rampant everywhere. ...
 

ANC

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Depends on how hard the insurance guys are lobbying.
I bet your company is forced by their insurance co. to do these test.
No test, no payout on claims.
 

PKHydro

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The one thing i figure i will have trouble finding is where it says that once a doctor signs the forms i am legit...

Can anybody point that out to me?
You won't find it. HC might consider a renewal valid from the day they receive it, but they won't say that. The RCMP won't care that you've sent in your forms, untill you legitimately have paperwork to show them, they'll consider you unlicensed.

Think about it, say you send in your forms, you get Canada Posts notification that HC has recieved it. So you now fire up your grow, and for some reason a neighbor notices and complains. The RCMP then calls the HC police line to see if your legal, however they havnt processed your paperwork yet and your address isn't in the system.... Your getting raided.
 

Gquebed

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You won't find it. HC might consider a renewal valid from the day they receive it, but they won't say that. The RCMP won't care that you've sent in your forms, untill you legitimately have paperwork to show them, they'll consider you unlicensed.

Think about it, say you send in your forms, you get Canada Posts notification that HC has recieved it. So you now fire up your grow, and for some reason a neighbor notices and complains. The RCMP then calls the HC police line to see if your legal, however they havnt processed your paperwork yet and your address isn't in the system.... Your getting raided.
That is not how i understand it all.
The RCMP my radid and confiscate everything that you have related to The Grow but when it comes out in the wash in court they'll be compelled to return it all. Granted the damage is done but the fact remains is that we are innocent. From what I understand the moment your doctor signs your prescription you are legal.

And I realized that HC doesn't say this. This is a matter that relates to a precedent-setting court case. That I believe went to the Supreme Court.
 

WHATFG

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So when i go to my employer on tuesday to advise them of HRC's position and their eagerness to explain it, i want to go loaded with as much info as i can. The one thing i figure i will have trouble finding is where it says that once a doctor signs the forms i am legit...

Can anybody point that out to me? @VIANARCHRIS

I also plan to print off the HC manifesto for them that outines the "duty to accomodate" and such...
No, no, no, you go with the information about duty to accommodate....let them ask the other questions....you don't need to be offering yourself up...let human rights deal with the rest....do you know what I mean?
 

WHATFG

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That is not how i understand it all.
The RCMP my radid and confiscate everything that you have related to The Grow but when it comes out in the wash in court they'll be compelled to return it all. Granted the damage is done but the fact remains is that we are innocent. From what I understand the moment your doctor signs your prescription you are legal.

And I realized that HC doesn't say this. This is a matter that relates to a precedent-setting court case. That I believe went to the Supreme Court.
Your honour as far as I understood I was legal the moment my doctor signed my papers. Does it say anywhere that you're not legit until your script authorization us returned accepted?
 
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coppershot

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No, no, no, you go with the information about duty to accommodate....let them ask the other questions....you don't need to be offering yourself up...let human rights deal with the rest....do you know what I mean?
I agree with WHATFG. You should only give them what you need to in order to demonstrate that you are legal. If you say too much you might put your foot in your mouth but you also cannot say too little. I would be prepared to speak about everything and bring whatever supporting material is needed but only speak about what is needed.

My experience in life has been if you say too much in difficult situations some of it will be turned around on you. If there is a chance that you could loose your job, I would respectfully request that you be able to document the conversation either by taking minutes and emailing them to yourself so that they are date and time stamped or better yet record it.
 

Gquebed

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No, no, no, you go with the information about duty to accommodate....let them ask the other questions....you don't need to be offering yourself up...let human rights deal with the rest....do you know what I mean?
Excellent point. Thanks man...
 

Gquebed

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Your honour as far as I understood I was legal the moment my doctor signed my papers. Does it say anywhere that you're not legit until your script authorization us returned accepted?
It is not authorization nor an application.

It is registration. Very different things.

Anyway, if when you first register...you send in your forms May 1 and do receive the card until sep 30, but your card is back dated to may 1 then you are legit from may 1, even though you didnt have the card until sep 30.

Makes perfect sense to me.
 

Farmer.J

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Thats the trade off.... they have the fine weather but have to worry bout quakes. We take the hit on the weather but dont have worry those quakes...and hurricanes...and volcanoes...
Yeah or the crazy ppl with spandex costumes running around. That's one thing that I never understood about California. why are all the crazies let in lol. We had the killer ClowN thing for a while. For the most part it is too cold 8 months of the year here for that nonsense.
 

too larry

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Yeah or the crazy ppl with spandex costumes running around. That's one thing that I never understood about California. why are all the crazies let in lol. We had the killer ClowN thing for a while. For the most part it is too cold 8 months of the year here for that nonsense.
Ha. The Cali crazies come to Florida when they get tired of folks looking at them funny. We are the crazy capital.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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So when i go to my employer on tuesday to advise them of HRC's position and their eagerness to explain it, i want to go loaded with as much info as i can. The one thing i figure i will have trouble finding is where it says that once a doctor signs the forms i am legit...

Can anybody point that out to me? @VIANARCHRIS

I also plan to print off the HC manifesto for them that outines the "duty to accomodate" and such...
Here's my initial thoughts. Your employer does have a duty to accommodate, but they are going to need proof of the need. Your forms signed by your doctor ARE proof, just as a doctor's note would be for any other situation. As you pointed out, HC is simply a registration centre. Refusal is grounds for a discrimination suit, and I would make that crystal clear. If mmj is a new issue for their workplace, they may need to draft a new policy and I would volunteer to help create that. It shows you are willing to work with them, rather than in opposition. I have had to do it, so I'm happy to help if needed.
 

Gquebed

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Here's my initial thoughts. Your employer does have a duty to accommodate, but they are going to need proof of the need. Your forms signed by your doctor ARE proof, just as a doctor's note would be for any other situation. As you pointed out, HC is simply a registration centre. Refusal is grounds for a discrimination suit, and I would make that crystal clear. If mmj is a new issue for their workplace, they may need to draft a new policy and I would volunteer to help create that. It shows you are willing to work with them, rather than in opposition. I have had to do it, so I'm happy to help if needed.
That is the plan for Tuesday. Make it crystal clear that they cant ignore this, give them a chance to rescind the ultimatum and offer to help build a framework for those who follow. It happens that i am on the safety team anyway (i have brought this topic up at two national safety meetings only to be completely ignored).

But more than likely they will dig in their heels and i will be forced to file the human rights complaint with AB HRC.
 

Farmer.J

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That is the plan for Tuesday. Make it crystal clear that they cant ignore this, give them a chance to rescind the ultimatum and offer to help build a framework for those who follow. It happens that i am on the safety team anyway (i have brought this topic up at two national safety meetings only to be completely ignored).

But more than likely they will dig in their heels and i will be forced to file the human rights complaint with AB HRC.
By the sound of this, I'm assuming that you work for a large national wide company. A case like this could change things. If you have some money it would be worth your time to get a consultation from Kirk Tousaw. He could point you in the right direction if they don't roll over and play fair. Best of luck to you. FJ
 

WHATFG

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That is the plan for Tuesday. Make it crystal clear that they cant ignore this, give them a chance to rescind the ultimatum and offer to help build a framework for those who follow. It happens that i am on the safety team anyway (i have brought this topic up at two national safety meetings only to be completely ignored).

But more than likely they will dig in their heels and i will be forced to file the human rights complaint with AB HRC.
Even better....how's that going to look when you step up and say hey, I'm on the safety committee and I have twice tried and failed to have this issue addressed....now they have to address it and this could set a precedent....stick to your guns....
 

Gquebed

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By the sound of this, I'm assuming that you work for a large national wide company. A case like this could change things. If you have some money it would be worth your time to get a consultation from Kirk Tousaw. He could point you in the right direction if they don't roll over and play fair. Best of luck to you. FJ
I do it's a North American corporation based out of California.

I called Kirks office and they had a rep phone me back to tell me that this isn't an area of law that they practice in. They are concentrating their efforts nationally on legalization and what not...
 
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