ok, just like ALL my fan leaves untill harvest, i have seen the light, and will no-longer 'be puppeteered' by these lame ass forum's, the only thread i really enjoy now is the UK growers thread, mainly because it's like a little community, the rest of RIU just seems to be people over ferting and taking fan-leaf's, or a debate wether either is right or wrong. All these forum's seem to do is promote a market for bullshit snake oils and ways to butcher a plant, after going to my nute supply i realised i had 80 quid worth of NPK, and them same NPK value's could be reached going to local gardening centre and paying 8 quid for same supply of fert's. So why the rant on here then? Because it's these damn forums that i sat and read for hours on end that led me to buy most the stuff i have, and have myself 'promoted' as i was dumb enough to believe they were working because they were 'cannabis specific' this is bullshit, and i aint gunna take it no more, so keep buying your over-priced, watered down piss, and keep telling yourself that defoliation is the way to go, hell, piss on your plants, sure i seen that debated here also...GL HF. Flame on!