Hyroot's Garden

Humanrob said:

Hey @hyroot , in another thread you mentioned:

"So I have garden work to get caught up on. Transplants. And cleaning roots out of sips from last run."

Do you by any chance have some pics of the roots in your sips at the end of your last run?

I'm still about 4 weeks from lifting the top off of my first sip run, and I'm really interested to see how in different configurations the roots find their way to the res, the mass, the whole thing.

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I still haven't even cleaned those sips out yet. No pics. It's hard to do it all by myself. Those 18 gal sips are freaking heavy when the soil is still wet. I have to do it tonight. I really need to do transplants.

hyroot said:

I still haven't even cleaned those sips out yet. No pics. It's hard to do it all by myself. Those 18 gal sips are freaking heavy when the soil is still wet. I have to do it tonight. I really need to do transplants.

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I hear you! I'm going to have to time my harvest for when the plants have drained the SIPs so that I can get the bad boys out of there! Otherwise I'd have to pump or siphon most of the water out... I have a pair of 18's shoe-horned into a 2x4 tent... it's going to be an interesting break down process.

If you've got a moment to record what you find when you take them apart, cool, if not, no worries. Lots of SIPs will be coming apart and being set up for second runs in the coming weeks. I'll be interested to hear if as you go through the process of taking down one grow and setting up the next, if you come up with any system improvements.

I already know I'll be building new ones of a different size and shape for my next run (lower smaller 10g res/bin, and cloth pot on top design instead of 14g bin sitting in 18g bin I'm currently running). I've got a bunch of other improvements, I'm trying to keep notes as I think of them. I suspect I'm going to know volumes more about how the system actually works when I finally see what's inside them at the end of the run... It all works out well for me though, because I'll have a couple of months break between the end if this indoor and the beginning of my next one, so I'll have plenty of time to think it out and rebuild it (while I spend the summer messing with my outdoor SIP experiments).

Humanrob said:

I hear you! I'm going to have to time my harvest for when the plants have drained the SIPs so that I can get the bad boys out of there! Otherwise I'd have to pump or siphon most of the water out... I have a pair of 18's shoe-horned into a 2x4 tent... it's going to be an interesting break down process.

If you've got a moment to record what you find when you take them apart, cool, if not, no worries. Lots of SIPs will be coming apart and being set up for second runs in the coming weeks. I'll be interested to hear if as you go through the process of taking down one grow and setting up the next, if you come up with any system improvements.

I already know I'll be building new ones of a different size and shape for my next run (lower smaller 10g res/bin, and cloth pot on top design instead of 14g bin sitting in 18g bin I'm currently running). I've got a bunch of other improvements, I'm trying to keep notes as I think of them. I suspect I'm going to know volumes more about how the system actually works when I finally see what's inside them at the end of the run... It all works out well for me though, because I'll have a couple of months break between the end if this indoor and the beginning of my next one, so I'll have plenty of time to think it out and rebuild it (while I spend the summer messing with my outdoor SIP experiments).

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I'm eventually changing my design. Just either put a fabric pot on top of a bucket or on top of a 3or 5 gal rubbermaid tote. That will be in a couple rounds. I went gun ho building a bunch of sips without running them in flower first. I was so impressed by the veg growth I just dove in.

My older sips. The water got used up. The soil is still wet some what. I have to build up a rack strong enough to hold the top tote up while I pull the roots out. Before replanting.

That kona looks killer man!

hyroot said:

I'm eventually changing my design. Just either put a fabric pot on top of a bucket or on top of a 3or 5 gal rubbermaid tote. That will be in a couple rounds. I went gun ho building a bunch of sips without running them in flower first. I was so impressed by the veg growth I just dove in.

My older sips. The water got used up. The soil is still wet some what. I have to build up a rack strong enough to hold the top tote up while I pull the roots out. Before replanting.

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Sounds like you guys are running into something I was concerned about with those SIPs that incorporate the soil/medium as the wick, looked like a maintenance nightmare when you go to flip a new round. My limited test SIP in veg is doing essentially what you just said. Sitting a fabric pot on top of a wick (rockwool). I tried drilling holes in a catch tray and sitting the fabric pot on it, didn't work. So I just sat the pot on top of the rockwool and voila, works fine. Will now be trying different things like some mosquito screening on top of the rockwool or the like to try and keep any dirt from falling in and the roots somewhat contained.
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Hey rooty! @hyroot garden looks great!! Was wondering what you ise for pesty fungus gnats? Got hit with tons of larvae

GroErr said:

Sounds like you guys are running into something I was concerned about with those SIPs that incorporate the soil/medium as the wick, looked like a maintenance nightmare when you go to flip a new round. My limited test SIP in veg is doing essentially what you just said. Sitting a fabric pot on top of a wick (rockwool). I tried drilling holes in a catch tray and sitting the fabric pot on it, didn't work. So I just sat the pot on top of the rockwool and voila, works fine. Will now be trying different things like some mosquito screening on top of the rockwool or the like to try and keep any dirt from falling in and the roots somewhat contained.
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No my only issues are the 5 gal pots in the bucket. The resi isn't big enough and all.the water gets used up in 2-3 days. I had 2 dry out on me when I wasn't around.that caused issues. Being some buds started finish quickly. And took a while to bounce back.

The other issue is the 18 gals are so freaking heavy. It's a pain in the ass to move around and clean out the roots later on. If you have help it's a lot easier.
@SomeGuy has the best build out of all of us. The 18 gals work great.. the 5 gals need a lager resi.

With larger sips adding casters or dolly's would be great.

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! said:

Hey rooty! @hyroot garden looks great!! Was wondering what you ise for pesty fungus gnats? Got hit with tons of larvae

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Top dress Worm castings and ahimsa neem cake

hyroot said:

My plan is to replace everything with cmh and cobs.. I may grab the lec's next instead of another phantom. Less cords everywhere. It would be cool if you could daisy chain cmh's like led panels.

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The new models can be daisy chain. ...

hyroot said:

No my only issues are the 5 gal pots in the bucket. The resi isn't big enough and all.the water gets used up in 2-3 days. I had 2 dry out on me when I wasn't around.that caused issues. Being some buds started finish quickly. And took a while to bounce back.

The other issue is the 18 gals are so freaking heavy. It's a pain in the ass to move around and clean out the roots later on. If you have help it's a lot easier.
@SomeGuy has the best build out of all of us. The 18 gals work great.. the 5 gals need a lager resi.

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As my plants grew bigger in the SIP's I am adding about a gallon a day in total using the 5 gal setups. Kinda defeats the purpose of the system when you need to do this lol. I know I could water every other day but when my sight tube is empty it would make me nervous and I wouldn't want the plant to dry out so I'd add water.

So what's the intermediary setup between the 5 gal and 18 gal I guess this would be the sweet spot huh......?

Evil-Mobo said:

As my plants grew bigger in the SIP's I am adding about a gallon a day in total using the 5 gal setups. Kinda defeats the purpose of the system when you need to do this lol. I know I could water every other day but when my sight tube is empty it would make me nervous and I wouldn't want the plant to dry out so I'd add water.

So what's the intermediary setup between the 5 gal and 18 gal I guess this would be the sweet spot huh......?

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I want either a 3 gal resi like the earth boxes or a 5 gal resi like my 18 gals. My 5 gal builds only hold 1 1/2 gals. I'm watering every other day. It's rather tedious. My 18 gals get watered twice a week.

hyroot said:

No my only issues are the 5 gal pots in the bucket. The resi isn't big enough and all.the water gets used up in 2-3 days. I had 2 dry out on me when I wasn't around.that caused issues. Being some buds started finish quickly. And took a while to bounce back.

The other issue is the 18 gals are so freaking heavy. It's a pain in the ass to move around and clean out the roots later on. If you have help it's a lot easier.
@SomeGuy has the best build out of all of us. The 18 gals work great.. the 5 gals need a lager resi.

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Will be doing some testing with 3.5 and 5gal res buckets, if they don't go more than a couple of days it's really the only thing I want them for (going away for a few days at a time) so won't be diving in beyond pilot tests unless I can find a way to make them last a week. Sounds like you need two people for the maintenance on those larger res's for sure.

GroErr said:

Will be doing some testing with 3.5 and 5gal res buckets, if they don't go more than a couple of days it's really the only thing I want them for (going away for a few days at a time) so won't be diving in beyond pilot tests unless I can find a way to make them last a week. Sounds like you need two people for the maintenance on those larger res's for sure.

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I just dove in because I saw great results in veg and several other gardens using them. I've even seen some done outdoor with 5 gal fabric pots on 5 gal totes yielding huge using clackamas coots soil recipe. Same with indoor. Unfortunately the fabric pot builds I didn't see until after I built mine. It never donned on me to use fabric pots in those builds until I realized the octopots that captain uses are basically sips.

When I retire my 18 gals I can just turn those into worm bins. And the 5 gal buckets for storing worm castings I guess. And using them outside Soma style for veggies and other plants like neem and comfrey

I have a solution for your problem. I have a rain barrel on one of my gutters and have been planning on adding a 275g tote to the rain barrel, but about 100' away. The goal is to make both tanks overflow exactly the same height.
So for you guys, if you get some 1" hose and run it from the bottom of your bucket to the bottom of a remote res. ( must be no taller than buckets) you can, say use a 40g. res. outside the room and always be able to maintain and check anytime.

Greengenes707 said:

That kona looks killer man!

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Thanks. I'm stoked. It was a long road to get this strain / pheno going. I'm loving the smell. Earthy passion fruit with some kushy overtones. Its pretty dang frosty and lots of purple too.

It looks so far like it will be a 10 weeker. Everything seems to be growing a little slower under the cmh compared to the plants under the cobs and inda gros. About 7-10 days behind it seems.

hyroot said:

I just dove in because I saw great results in veg and several other gardens using them. I've even seen some done outdoor with 5 gal fabric pots on 5 gal totes yielding huge using clackamas coots soil recipe. Same with indoor. Unfortunately the fabric pot builds I didn't see until after I built mine. It never donned on me to use fabric pots in those builds until I realized the octopots that captain uses are basically sips.

When I retire my 18 gals I can just turn those into worm bins. And the 5 gal buckets for storing worm castings I guess. And using them outside Soma style for veggies and other plants like neem and comfrey

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They're spreading quick in here, lots of folks trying them and looks like they're great for growth. I think it was @SomeGuy that I first saw resting the fabrics on top of a res which is where I'd like to take them if I can find a workable solution to last 7 days. The 5gal buckets should (they'll hold about 4 gal) but in flowering it's questionable. Right now I have 2x 5gal Blue Ripper's flowering at around 5 weeks and they're sucking back .70 gallons per day. In a res with 4gal available I might get a week if I top-watered/soaked them just before leaving but questionable.

hyroot said:

Everything seems to be growing a little slower under the cmh compared to the plants under the cobs and inda gros. About 7-10 days behind it seems.

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Lol, exact opposite I saw when switching over to CMH. I'm running the first full round with clones under the 3590 COBs and to me they're a few days behind where they'd be under CMH - lol

GroErr said:

Lol, exact opposite I saw when switching over to CMH. I'm running the first full round with clones under the 3590 COBs and to me they're a few days behind where they'd be under CMH - lol

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3 of the plants are from seed though. I've never grown them before. The clones are finishing much faster. I've only ran quantum kush kush and gorilla glue in sips so far. The ones under the cmh are kona sunset, guard dawg. Dog trap and fireballs.

hyroot said:

3 of the plants are from seed though. I've never grown them before. The clones are finishing much faster. I've only ran quantum kush kush and gorilla glue in sips so far. The ones under the cmh are kona sunset, guard dawg. Dog trap and fireballs.

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Oh Ok, that makes sense. If you tracked your clones closely before it's be interesting to see what the final finish times are under the CMH. I found about 4-6 days less overall flowering time for the clones I brought under CMH when I first got it.

GroErr said:

Sounds like you guys are running into something I was concerned about with those SIPs that incorporate the soil/medium as the wick, looked like a maintenance nightmare when you go to flip a new round. My limited test SIP in veg is doing essentially what you just said. Sitting a fabric pot on top of a wick (rockwool). I tried drilling holes in a catch tray and sitting the fabric pot on it, didn't work. So I just sat the pot on top of the rockwool and voila, works fine. Will now be trying different things like some mosquito screening on top of the rockwool or the like to try and keep any dirt from falling in and the roots somewhat contained.
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This is interesting, and I look forward to hearing the results. Its my understanding that the roots making their way down the wick and into the res (becoming "water roots") is what makes this system so powerful, a true hydro/soil hybrid. By closing that off, you will only be getting the other benefit of SIPs, the self-watering aspect. Maybe that's all you're after, I was after more.