Hydrogen peroxide

Gixxerboy

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Hello.
I have been using oxy-plus in my system for the last month. Been using it about once maybe twice a week(cost stops me using everyday). not had any problems with it.

i have a 30 litre dwc bucket, four 4inch air stones, 20L\hour air pump, in a dr 120 with a 600w hps.

Res temps have been getting into the mid 20's and oxy-plus seems like a good preventative measure,i like to keep my res 18-20c.

i use advanced nutes G\M\B and hammer head, so no organics for me. From what i hear h2o2 kills mychorizae
and such benificial bacteria present in organic nutes, so i couldnt recommend using such products together.

i use the recommened dose on the bottle 5ml per 10 liter so 15ml for the tub when topping up res and nutes.
h2o2 only lasts a 3-4 hours at best in your system, after that its inactive so you could nute up after h2o2 or inoculate then,if using organics.
I'm no expert but have been chatting with a friend who's currently studying bio chemistry, he reckons its ok.

Find ur self a bio chemist they no everything you need to no
Thanks nazarethjay good to hear you are having success with the oxy-plus.I thought hydrogen peroxide stayed in your system 2to3days not hours?
 

Gixxerboy

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Anybody know anything about this stuff?? something new they had at the hydro store. Good post btw man lots of good information.
Thanks Favre2Harvin, its 29% Hydrogen Peroxide(H2O2),probably 35% diluted.Instructions say 3ml a gallon every 3 to 5 days.That's 30ml on a 10 gallon reservoir ever 4 days.In comparison i'm using 3% HP at 11ml on a 10galon reservoir at start up at 110ml then adding back 1/4 a day at 27.5ml changing out the reservoir every 7 days.So twice a week gets you 60ml of this 29%.Me using the 3%..110 start up, 6days at 27.5ml gets me165ml that's 275ml of 3% a week.
 

Favre2Harvin

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Could you give me a better understanding as to how to use that stuff? Im running two 3gal DWC buckets although theres only 2 gal of water in each right now give or take a bit.

and to answer your question man I really dont know, lol. I just seen the shit on the shelf and asked the guy what it did and he highly reccomended it so I got a bottle. it was cheap so wth..
 

Gixxerboy

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Could you give me a better understanding as to how to use that stuff? Im running two 3gal DWC buckets although theres only 2 gal of water in each right now give or take a bit.
I would pull the water out add 6ml to the two gallons of water check pH although my 3% never effects my pH i have never used 29% so check pH replace the water and repeat this twice a week .If you feel confident step it up to 3 times a week but going off of the theory of the HP lasting 3 to 4 day in the reservoir.Lets say you add it Monday morning and then add it again Wednesday night or Thursday morning should take you through the week.
 

Favre2Harvin

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add 22ml to each bucket?? so essentially I want to dump ALL the water out from the two buckets, refill with plain water (RO'd in my case), add 22ml to each bucket and check the PH?
 

Gixxerboy

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fing awesome! killed bugs in the res? or on the plants? Can you spray peroxide directly on the plant to kill bugs I.E MITES!?
Well Well Well seems like I was wrong Mr.GT about the spray as long as it is diluted properly it makes a great insecticide according to this guy.



[SIZE=+3]The Many Benefits of Hydrogen Peroxide[/SIZE]
By Dr. David G. Williams
http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml
Posted July 17, 2003
(Original title: Hydrogen Peroxide - Curse or Cure?)

When it comes to hydrogen peroxide therapy there seems to be only two points of view. Supporters consider it one of the greatest healing miracles of all time. Those opposed feel its ingestion is exceptionally dangerous, and only the foolhardy could think of engaging in such behavior. Before either condemning or endorsing hydrogen peroxide, let's take a real close look at what we're dealing with.

If any substance is interesting, it's hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide should really be called hydrogen dioxide. Its chemical formula is H2O2. It contains one more atom of oxygen that does water (H20). By now everyone's aware of the ozone layer that surrounds the earth. Ozone consists of three atoms of oxygen (03). This protective layer of ozone is created when ultraviolet light from the sun splits an atmospheric oxygen molecule (02) into two single, unstable oxygen atoms. These single molecules combine with others to form ozone (03). Ozone isn't very stable. In fact, it will quickly give up that extra atom of oxygen to falling rainwater to form hydrogen peroxide (H202). (Bear with me: all this chemistry mumbo jumbo I'm going through actually will help you understand the importance of hydrogen peroxide.)

[SIZE=+1]Helps Plants[/SIZE]
It is this hydrogen peroxide in rainwater that makes it so much more effective than tap water when given to plants. With the increased levels of atmospheric pollution, however, greater amounts of H202 react with air-borne toxins and never reach the ground. To compensate for this, many farmers have been increasing crop yields by spraying them with diluted hydrogen peroxide (5 to 16 ounces of 35% mixed with 20 gallons of water per acre). You can achieve the same beneficial effect with your house plants by adding 1 ounce of 3% hydrogen peroxide (or 16 drops of 35% solution) to every quart of water you give your plants. (It can also be made into an excellent safe insecticide. Simply spray your plants with 8 ounces of 3% peroxide mixed with 8 ounces of white sugar and one gallon of water.)
Hydrogen peroxide is odorless and colorless, but not tasteless. When stored under the proper conditions, it is a very stable compound. When kept in the absence of light and contaminants, it dismutates (breaks down) very slowly at the rate of about 10% a year. (This can be slowed even further by storing the liquid in the freezer.) It boils at 152 degrees C and freezes at minus 2 degrees C.

When exposed to other compounds hydrogen peroxide dismutates readily. The extra oxygen atom is released leaving H20 (water). In nature oxygen (02) consists of two atoms--a very stable combination. A single atom of oxygen, however, is very reactive and is referred to as a free radical. Over the past several years, we've continually read that these free radicals are responsible for all types of ailments and even premature aging. What many writers seem to forget, however, is that our bodies create and use free radicals to destroy harmful bacteria, viruses, and fungi. In fact, the cells responsible for fighting infection and foreign invaders in the body (your white blood cells) make hydrogen peroxide and use it to oxidize any offending culprits. The intense bubbling you see when hydrogen peroxide comes in contact with a bacteria-laden cut or wound is the oxygen being released and bacteria being destroyed. The ability of our cells to produce hydrogen peroxide is essential for life. H202 is not some undesirable by-product or toxin, but instead a basic requirement for good health.
Newer research indicates we need hydrogen peroxide for a multitude of other chemical reactions that take place throughout the body. For example, we now know that vitamin C helps fight infections by producing hydrogen peroxide, which in turn stimulates the production of prostaglandins. Also lactobacillus found in the colon and vagina produce hydrogen peroxide. This destroys harmful bacteria and viruses, preventing colon disease, vaginitis, bladder infections and a host of other common ailments. (Infect Dis News Aug.8,91:5). When lactobacillus in the colon or vaginal tract have been overrun with harmful viruses, yeast, or bacteria, an effective douche or enema solution can be made using 3 tablespoons of 3% H202 in 1 quart of distilled water. Keep in mind, however, that a good bacterial flora must always be re-established in theses areas to achieve lasting results.
[SIZE=+1]Aerobic versus Anerobic[/SIZE]
While we are discussing enemas and douches, there is another misconception about H202 I need to address. The friendly bacteria in the colon and vagina are aerobic. In other words, they flourish in high oxygen environments and thrive in the presence of oxygen rich H202. On the other hand, most strains of harmful bacteria (and cancer cells) are anaerobic and cannot survive in the presence of oxygen or H202. We can agree that hydrogen peroxide produced within individual body cells is essential for life. And no one doubts its effectiveness when it comes to treating infections topically. The controversy deals with ingesting the substance orally or introducing it into the body intravenously. The dispute has been going on for decades, and considering the attitude of our medical community, it will continue for many more decades to come.
I'll admit I was skeptical when I first learned about using H202 orally or intravenously. This healthy dose of skepticism, however, lead to a great deal of investigation, clinical work and experimentation. And while I realize a large majority of readers will probably never be convinced that H202 is a safe and effective compound, I am. Hydrogen peroxide is safe, readily available and dirt cheap. And best of all, it works! No one yet fully understands the complete workings of hydrogen peroxide. We do know that it is loaded with oxygen. (A pint of the food-grade 35% solution contains the equivalent of 130 pints of oxygen. A pint of 3% hydrogen peroxide found at the local drugstore contains 10 pints of oxygen. And a pint of the 6% solution used to bleach hair contains 20 pints of oxygen.) We also know that when H202 is taken into the body (orally or intravenously) the oxygen content of the blood and body tissues increases dramatically. Early researchers felt these increases were simply due to the extra oxygen molecule being released. This doesn't however, appear to be the case.
Only very diluted amounts of H202 are ever introduced into the body. The small amount of oxygen present couldn't be solely responsible for the dramatic changes that take place. Dr. Charles Farr, a strong proponent of intravenous use, has discovered another possible answer. Dr. Farr has shown that hydrogen peroxide stimulates enzyme systems throughout the body. This triggers an increase in the metabolic rate, causes small arteries to dilate and increase blood flow, enhances the body's distribution and consumption of oxygen and raises body temperature (Proceedings of the International Conference on Bio-Oxidative Medicine 1989, 1990, 1991).
[SIZE=+1]Father Richard Willhelm[/SIZE]
We are just beginning to learn exactly how H202 works. It was reported to work as far back as 1920. The English medical journal, Lancet, then reported that intravenous infusion was used successfully to treat pneumonia in the epidemic following World War I. In the 1940's Father Richard Willhelm, the pioneer in promoting peroxide use, reported on the compound being used extensively to treat everything from bacterial-related mental illness to skin disease and polio. Father Willhelm is the founder of "Educational Concern for Hydrogen Peroxide" (ECHO, a nonprofit organization dedicated to educating the public on the safe use and therapeutic benefits of hydrogen peroxide.) Much of the interest in hydrogen peroxide waned in the 1940's when prescription medications came on the scene. Since that time there has been little economic interest in funding peroxide research. After all, it is dirt cheap and non-patentable. Even still, in the last 25 years, over 7,700 articles relating to hydrogen peroxide have been written in the standard medical journals. Thousands more, involving its therapeutic use, have appeared in alternative health publications. The number of conditions helped by hydrogen peroxide is astounding. The reported dangers and side effects are few and often conflicting.
[SIZE=+1]Emphysema[/SIZE]
Let's look at several conditions that seem to respond especially well to H202 therapy. First, keep in mind that there are two methods of administering the peroxide-1) orally and 2) intravenously. While most conditions respond remarkably to oral ingestion, emphysema is one condition in which intravenous infusion can be a godsend. Emphysema involves destruction of the alveoli (the small air sacs in the lungs). Although chemical fumes and other irritants can cause the destruction, it is most often the result of smoking. As the disease progresses, the patient finds it more and more difficult to breathe. A wheel chair and supplemental oxygen become necessary as the disease progresses. Lack of adequate oxygen reaching the tissues forces the heart to pump more forcefully. This leads to high blood pressure, enlargement of the heart itself and eventually heart failure. Conventional medicine offers little help for emphysema. There is no cure. The best that can be hoped for is symptomatic relief and the prevention of any serious complications that might result in death. H202 therapy can offer more. Using 1 ounce of 35% peroxide per 1 gallon of non-chlorinated water in a vaporizer improves nighttime breathing tremendously. But intravenous infusion holds the real key to relief. It has the ability to cleanse the inner lining of the lungs and restore the ability to breathe.
We continue to hear the same story from Dr. Farr and others who use intravenous infusion for emphysema and congestive lung problems. Within minutes oxygen from hydrogen peroxide begins to bubble up between the membrane lining the lungs sacs and the accumulated mucus. (Dr. Farr refers to this as the "Alka-Seltzer effect.") The patient begins to cough and expel the material that has accumulated in the lungs. The amount of bubbling, coughing, and cleansing can be regulated by simply turning the H202 on and off. As the peroxide clears the lung surface and destroys the bacterial infections, the patient regains the ability to breath more normally. We continue to receive reports from patients for whom the technique has improved breathing so much that a wheelchair and supplemental oxygen are no longer needed. If you would like to find a doctor in your area trained in the use of intravenous H202 infusion, contact the International Bio-Oxidative Medicine Foundation (IBOM), P.O. Box 13205, Oklahoma City, OK 73113 at (405) 478-4266. They can provide names and addresses of doctors using the procedure in your area.​
If emphysema were the only ailment successfully treated with H202 therapy, it would still rank as one of the top health discoveries of all time. Fortunately, H202 works wonders on a multitude of health problems. It does so by increasing tissue oxygen levels. A closer look at how we have decreased the availability of external and internal oxygen, will show you just how important this can be. If you were not too occupied with trying to hide dissection specimens in the other student's desks, you might remember from elementary science courses that our atmosphere contains about 20% oxygen. That is under ideal circumstances. It has recently been reported that in many of our more polluted cities, there levels have dropped to around 10%! (I have already mentioned how less hydrogen peroxide-containing rain is reaching the earth's surface. With increased pollution it is reacting with airborne toxins before it even reaches the ground.) And everyone, by now, knows the oxygen-generating rain forests are being destroyed worldwide, which further reduces available oxygen. Internal oxygen availability is also under attack.​
Chlorination of drinking water removes oxygen. Cooking and over-processing of our foods lowers their oxygen content. Unrestrained antibiotic use destroys beneficial oxygen-creating bacteria in the intestinal tract. Dr. Johanna Budwig of Germany has shown that for proper cellular utilization of oxygen to take place, our diets must contain adequate amounts of unsaturated fatty acids. Unfortunately, the oils rich in these fatty acids have become less and less popular with the food industry. Their very nature makes them more biologically active, which requires more careful processing and gives them a shorter shelf-life. Rather than deal with these challenges, the food industry has turned to the use of synthetic fats and dangerous processes like hydrogenation.​
It's obvious that our oxygen needs are not being met. Several of the most common ailments now affecting our population are directly related to oxygen starvation. Asthma, emphysema, and lung disease are on the rise, especially in the polluted metropolitan areas. Cases of constipation, diarrhea, intestinal parasites and bowel cancer are all on the upswing. Periodontal disease is endemic in the adult population of this country. Cancer of all forms continues to increase. Immune system disorders are sweeping the globe. Chronic fatigue, "Yuppie Flu" and hundreds of other strange viral diseases have begun to surface. Ironically, many of the new "miracle" drugs and nutritional supplements used to treat these conditions work by increasing cellular oxygen (oftentimes through H202 formation). For example, the miracle nutrient, Coenzyme Q10, helps regulate intercellular oxidation. Organic germanium, which received considerable publicity not too long ago, also increases oxygen levels at the cellular level. And even substances like niacin and vitamin E promote tissue oxidation through their dilation of blood vessels.​
Hydrogen peroxide is only one of the many components that help regulate the amount of oxygen getting to your cells. Its presence is vital for many other functions as well. It is required for the production of thyroid hormone and sexual hormones. (Mol Cell Endocrinol 86;46(2): 149-154) (Steroids 82;40(5):5690579). It stimulates the production of interferon (J Immunol 85;134(4):24492455). It dilates blood vessels in the heart and brain (Am J Physiol 86;250 (5 pt 2): H815-821 and (2 pt 2):H157-162). It improves glucose utilization in diabetics (Proceedings of the IBOM Conference 1989, 1990, 1991). The closer you look at hydrogen peroxide, the less surprising it becomes that it can help such a wide variety of conditions.​
The following is only a partial listing of conditions in which H202 therapy has been used successfully. (Many of these conditions are serious, if not life-threatening. As always, I would highly recommend seeking the advice and guidance of a doctor experienced in the use of these techniques.)​
Allergies Headaches
Altitude Sickness Herpes Simplex
Alzheimer's Herpes Zoster
Anemia HIV Infection
Arrhythmia Influenza
Asthma Insect Bites
Bacterial Infections Liver Cirrhosis
Bronchitis Lupus Erythematosis
Cancer Multiple Sclerosis
Candida Parasitic Infections
Cardiovascular Disease Parkinsonism
Cerebral Vascular Disease Periodontal Disease
Chronic Pain Prostatitis
Diabetes Type 11 Rheumatoid Arthritis
Diabetic Gangrene Shingles
Diabetic Retinopahty Sinusitis
Digestion Problems Sore Throat
Epstein-Barr Infection Ulcers
Emphysema Viral Infections
Food Allergies Warts
Fungal Infections Yeast Infections
Gingivitis​
[SIZE=+1]Grades of Hydrogen Peroxide[/SIZE]
Hydrogen peroxide is available in various strengths and grades.​
A) 3.5% Pharmaceutical Grade: This is the grade sold at your local drugstore or supermarket. This product is not recommended for internal use. It contains an assortment of stabilizers which shouldn't be ingested. Various stabilizers include: acetanilide, phenol, sodium stanate and tertrasodium phosphate.

B) 6% Beautician Grade: This is used in beauty shops to color hair and is not recommended for internal use.​
C) 30% Reagent Grade: This is used for various scientific experimentation and also contains stabilizers. It is also not for internal use.​
D) 30% to 32% Electronic Grade: This is used to clean electronic parts and not for internal use.​
E) 35% Technical Grade: This is a more concentrated product than the Reagent Grade and differs slightly in that phosphorus is added to help neutralize any chlorine from the water used to dilute it.​
F) 35% Food Grade: This is used in the production of foods like cheese, eggs, and whey-containing products. It is also sprayed on the foil lining of aseptic packages containing fruit juices and milk products. THIS IS THE ONLY GRADE RECOMMENDED FOR INTERNAL USE. It is available in pints, quarts, gallons or even drums. Various suppliers are mentioned later in this article.​
G) 90%: This is used as an oxygen source for rocket fuel.​
Only 35% Food Grade hydrogen peroxide is recommended for internal use. At this concentration, however, hydrogen peroxide is a very strong oxidizer and if not diluted, it can be extremely dangerous or even fatal. Any concentrations over 10% can cause neurological reactions and damage to the upper gastrointestinal tract. There have been two known fatalities in children who ingested 27% and 40% concentrations of H202. Recently, a 26 month old female swallowed one mouthful of 35% H202. She immediately began vomiting, followed by fainting and respiratory arrest. Fortunately, she was under emergency room care and although she experienced erosion and bleeding of the stomach and esophagus, she survived the incident. When she was re-examined 12 days later, the areas involved had healed (J Toxicol Clin Toxicol 90;28(1):95-100).
35% Food Grade H202 must be​
1) handled carefully (direct contact will burn the skin--immediate flushing with water is recommended).​
2) diluted properly before use. 3) stored safely and properly (after making a dilution the remainder should be stored tightly sealed in the freezer).​
One of the most convenient methods of dispensing 35% H202 is from a small glass eye dropper bottle. These can be purchased at your local drugstore. Fill this with the 35% H202 and store the larger container in the freezer compartment of your refrigerator until more is needed. Store the eye dropper bottle in the refrigerator. The generally recommended dosage is outlined in the chart below. The drops are mixed with either 6 to 8 ounces of distilled water, juice, milk or even aloe vera juice or gel. (Don't use chlorinated tap water to dilute the peroxide!)
[SIZE=+1]Suggested Protocol
[/SIZE]The program outlined is only a suggestion, but it is based on years of experience, and reports from thousands of users. Those who choose to go at a slower pace can expect to progress more slowly, but that certainly is an option. The program is not carved in stone and keep in mind that it can be adapted to fit individual needs. Individuals who have had transplants should not undertake an H202 program. H202 stimulates the immune system and could possibly cause a rejection of the organ.
Day # -Number of Drops/ Times Per Day
1 - 3 / 3
2 - 4 / 3
3 - 5 / 3
4 - 6 / 3
5 - 7 / 3
6 - 8 / 3
7 - 9 / 3
8 - 10 / 3
9 - 12 / 3
10 - 14 / 3
11 - 16 / 3
12 - 18 / 3
13 - 20 / 3
14 - 22 / 3
15 - 24 / 3
16 - 25 / 3
[SIZE=+1]Maintenance Dosage[/SIZE]
In most situations after the above 21 day program, the amount of H202 can be tapered off gradually as follows:
25 drops once every other day for 1 week
25 drops once every third day for 2 weeks
25 drops once every fourth day for 3 weeks
This can then be reduced to between 5 and 15 drops per week based on how one feels. Those with more serious problems will often benefit from staying on 25 drops three times a day for one to three weeks, then tapering down to 25 drops two times daily until the problem is resolved (possibly as long as six months). Those with chronic systemic Candidiasis may need to start with 1 drop three times a day, then 2 drops three times a day before starting the above schedule. It is important that H202 be taken on an empty stomach. This is best accomplished by taking it either one hour before meals or three hours after meals. If there is food in the stomach, the reaction of H202 on any bacteria present may cause excess foaming, indigestion, and possibly even vomiting. Additionally, some animal research indicates that when H202 given orally combines with iron and small amounts of vitamin C in the stomach, hydroxyl radicals are created (J Inorg Biochem 89;35(1):55-69). The bleach-like aftertaste of H202 can be lessened by chewing one of the sugar-free cinnamon gums. Some individuals taking H202 immediately before bedtime have a difficult time getting to sleep. This is probably due to a sense of alertness triggered by an increase of oxygen at the cellular level. The oral dosage schedule is basically the same for all conditions. There are several points to keep in mind, however.
Some individuals may experience upset stomach. If this occurs it is recommended that one not stop the program, but rather remain at the current dosage level or reduce it to the previous level until the problem stops. (Some patients have been able to solve the nausea problem by taking three or four lecithin capsules at the same time they take the H202.) During the program it's not uncommon to experience what is known as a healing crisis. As dead bacteria and toxins are released from your body it may temporarily exceed your capacity to eliminate them quickly enough. In some individuals this overload may cause fatigue, diarrhea, headaches, skin eruptions, cold or flu-like symptoms, and/or nausea. One should not discontinue using the peroxide to stop this cleansing. By continuing the program, toxins will clear the body sooner and this healing crisis will pass rather quickly.
If you are not already taking vitamin E and an acidophilus product, I recommend starting them before going on H202. Vitamin E can make more efficient use of any oxygen available and acidophilus will help re-establish the beneficial bacterial flora in the lower bowel and also help in the internal production of hydrogen peroxide.

[SIZE=+1]Making and Using 3% Solutions of H202[/SIZE]
A 3.5% solution can be made quite easily by first pouring 1 ounce of 35% H202 into a pint jar. To this add 11 ounces of distilled water. This will make 12 ounces of 3.5% H202. 3.5% H202 has a variety of medicinal uses.​
1. Three tablespoons mixed with a quart of non-chlorinated water makes a good enema or douche formula.
2. It can be used full strength as a mouthwash or mixed with baking soda for toothpaste.
3. It can be used full strength as a foot bath for athlete's foot. (Diabetics have found relief from circulation problems by soaking their feet in 1 pint of 3% peroxide mixed with 1 gallon of warm, non-chlorinated water for 30 minutes nightly.)
4. A tablespoon added to 1 cup of non-chlorinated water can be used as a nasal spray. Depending on the degree of sinus involvement, one will have to adjust the amount of peroxide used. I have seen some who can use it at the full 3% strength and others who had difficulty with using a few drops and mixed with a cup of water.
5. 3.5% H202 can be added to pets drinking water at the rate of 1 ounce per quart of non-chlorinated water. Sick cattle reportedly benefit from 1 pint (of 3%) to each 5 gallons of water. (Chickens and cows have remained healthy by using 8 ounces of 35% H202 per 1,000 gallons of drinking water.)​
[SIZE=+1]Additional Information[/SIZE]
There are two sources you should contact if you have an interest in using hydrogen peroxide therapy. The first, ECHO, was founded by Father Richard Willhelm and is run by Walter Grotz. Their information packet includes a sample newsletter, a list of H202 distributors and several other items. The packet is being made available to interested ALTERNATIVES readers for only $3. Their address is​
ECHO Box 126
Delano, MN 55328​
If you have an interest in contacting doctors who provide intravenous hydrogen peroxide therapy you can write to the International Bio-Oxidative Medicine Foundation (IBOM) at the address listed earlier in this article. You should also be aware that there are now numerous hydrogen peroxide products on the market. Some are simply peroxide that has been flavored and mixed with sea minerals, aloe vera, inner tree bark or other ingredients to make the peroxide more palatable (Superoxy, Oxy Toddy, etc.).​
Others claim to have developed products that deliver more oxygen than does simple hydrogen peroxide (Aerox, Anti-Oxid-10, Di-Oxychloride, Aerobic 07, Aqua Pure, etc.). Basically you'll end up paying a small fortune and at best achieving the same results you can get for pennies by using hydrogen peroxide.​
[SIZE=+1]Conclusion[/SIZE]
Hydrogen peroxide is one of the few simple miracle substances still available to the public. Its safety and multiple uses ranks it right up there with DMSO. If you've never used either of these compounds you are overlooking two of the most powerful healing tools ever discovered. Most of us started on hydrogen peroxide shortly after birth. Not only does mother's milk contain high amounts of H202, the amount contained in the first milk (colostrum) is even higher. This seems only reasonable now that we know one of its main functions is to activate and stimulate the immune system. Although I am a strong supporter of H202 therapy, I am not suggesting that everyone needs to be using it. There are probably some individuals whose health and well-being would not be enhanced with hydrogen peroxide. But there are also millions of others who are suffering needlessly because they either do not know about hydrogen peroxide or they have been misinformed about its use.​
 

Gixxerboy

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add 22ml to each bucket?? so essentially I want to dump ALL the water out from the two buckets, refill with plain water (RO'd in my case), add 22ml to each bucket and check the PH?
Sorry came down a bit and i have seen that i miss read Ur instructions only 6ml for 2gal Dooooooooooooooh.It says to dilute 3ml in 1 galon of water and add to nutrient tank.So Im taking that to be 3ml per gal so if i were making a new batch of nutrients i would add 6ml to 2galons of water and then nutrients.

Alright from one of the articles on proper dosage for 35% is...

The recommended dosage is to add 2-3 ml to each gallon of water, however, I use 5 ml per gallon and have never had any problems. At every nutrient change treat your fresh water using hydrogen peroxide. The general idea is to let the hydroponics system circulate the hydrogen peroxide solution for about a half hour to let the peroxide work against pathogens and to let the solution stabilize before adding your nutrients.
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"The general idea is to let the hydroponics system circulate the hydrogen peroxide solution for about a half hour to let the peroxide work against pathogens and to let the solution stabilize before adding your nutrients."
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Keep in mind he they may be thinking about a very large reservoir talking about the half hour to let circulate not 2gal.


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OK if you right now have 2galons of nutrients in each pot lets say you just made the nutrients fresh today for instance.I would pull out the nutrients from the pots and add 6ml to the 2galons and then replace the nutrient.I add 3% straight to my reservoir 5gal and a 10gal.But with your 29% and small 2gal reservoir i would definitely pull the water every time I added 6ml.Making a new batch,RO water 6ml HP(H2O2), pH up and then nutrients.Sorry for the errrrrrrroooo.Man I need to go vaporize!:eyesmoke:.If im wrong PLEASE someone chime in and LET US KNOW!
 

Gixxerboy

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Root Rot Solutions with Hydroponics
SANITIZE YOUR HYDRO SYSTEM!
Once you've lost a crop to root rot it is critical to sterilize your hydroponics system before starting new plants.​
Physan 20 is a good disinfectant and sterilizer. Bio Green Clean is an industrial strength cleaner that makes cleaning out the crud much easier.​
We don't have any miracle ingredients that are as good as what's available from other industries. The beer and winemaking industries have some good products that are easy to rinse out of the system before firing it back up for use. In the restaurant business, there are also really powerful sanitizing products made for big dishwashers. I don't know the names of any of these products off hand, but it should be easy to find them from beer brewing stores, or restaurant supply places.​
COMBATING EXISTING ROOT ROT:
If you have some grungy roots on established plants, then I'd go with 1/2 cup of hydrogen peroxide (3 - 4% strength) per gallon in a full reservoir. Plan on changing the res every 4 or 5 days until the problem is under control.​
The peroxide will kill the bacteria, and make a mess of your reservoir if the problem is progressed, so the increased res changes are important to keep things clean. There are no guarantee's when it comes to rootrot problems that are very progressed.
You can repeat this process until you see some new white roots developing, then keep up the 1/2 cup per gallon for the rest of the life of these particular plants.​
During this intense method, I'd drop your nutrients down to half of what you were using before until the plants show healthy new growth.
You should also discontinue the use of any 'live' innoculants (products that are alive like Subculture, or any mycchorizal fungus) while you're taking this approach, as the peroxide will just kill them off.
The peroxide will kill the bad bacteria, but if the problem is too far gone, then the plants are already stressed, and the peroxide may further stress them, but we have had very positive results with this approach where nothing else will work though.​
We've got several 'zyme' type products that are designed to be used with the peroxide to 'eat' up the dead root tissue. They work incredibly well, but are pretty expensive products. You don't absolutely have to use the zyme products to have the peroxide work, but it really helps keep the roots healthy and clean if you've got a severe problem. Some of these products are: Hygrozyme, Power Zyme, and Prozyme.​
The 1/2 cup recommendation is half of what some of our customers run. You may need to add more to get rid of a bad problem, up to 1 cup per gallon. All of these recommendations are based on 'off the shelf' hydrogen peroxide, which is 3 - 4% strength.
ROOT ROT PREVENTION:
If you're just starting out with a new or sterilized reservoir, and new plants (no rot), then I'd start a program of one tablespoon hydrogen peroxide (3 - 4% strength) per gallon, and re-add the same every 5 days.​
The peroxide dissipates, and is basically gone after 4 or 5 days, so re-adding it is important.
Change the reservoir as you normally would.​
As an added bonus, the peroxide also helps oxygenate the nutrient solution and your plants will love it.​
 

Gixxerboy

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Many root cleansing and sanitizing products, such as hydrogen peroxide, can be too harsh for your plants. ZONE is a gentle and effective alternative to water sanitization and can be used throughout the life of your garden.
Designed for Hydroponic gardening, ZONE provides the optimum root environment which allows your plants to absorb nutrients more fully. It's long lasting action keeps your nutrient solution optimized longer than many other options. A little goes a long way!
Plants with healthy, productive root systems can absorb higher levels of nutrients and water giving the entire plant stronger, more healthy growth. Dutch Master ZONE is a technically advanced root zone conditioner that provides the healthy root environment needed to achieve maximum plant health.
Dutch Master ZONE may also help protect your roots from root rot.


Dutch Master Zone 1liter 28.95
 

Gixxerboy

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Found this while shopping

WARNING: Do NOT use hydrogen peroxide with Dutch Master products.
It was in the description for one of their foliar sprays here is the spray.






Dutch Master Penetrator has evolved into Penetrator Gold! This unique delivery agent can deliver everything contained in your foliar spray into the plant via the leaf without harming leaf integrity.
Penetrator Gold first binds with the cuticle layer that surrounds and protects every leaf, then temporarily alters it, to allow full transfer of elements through this protective layer. Penetrator Gold's unique formulation then returns it to normal, upon evaporation, without any damage to this vitally important layer.
This cuticle layer is very important to plants as it protects them from losing excessive moisture through the leaves as well as forming a barrier against fungal, bacterial and viral agents. If this layer is permanently damaged or altered the plant must then rebuild this layer while being susceptible to attack from these agents and at risk from localised burning or transpirational shock through excessive moisture loss.
Penetrator Gold allows gardeners to spray their foliar solution directly onto plants with the lights on which is a must when considering that this supercharged formula doubles the power of Liquid Light!
WARNING: Do NOT use hydrogen peroxide with Dutch Master products.
 

Gixxerboy

Well-Known Member

Pythoff Hydroponic Nutrient Conditioner works with all types of hydroponics systems and it's safe enough to use from seedling to harvest!
It's easy to use - simply pre-dilute Pythoff with water prior to adding to the working nutrient solution. Can be used in hobby gardens or greenhouses, indoors or outdoors. Pythoff is a non-toxic and non-systemic sanitizing product, so you can use it throughout the fruiting period.
What will Pythoff Hydroponic Nutrient Conditoner do for your plants?
Provide a sterile hydro environment to help prevent root rot.

Keep the root zone clean for better nutrient absorption and stronger root growth.

Help maintain pH stability for increased overall health.
Pythoff’s successful performance and compatibility has been tested and proven for over 10 years in commercial hydroponic systems, including re-circulating systems (aeroponics, NFT, Ebb and Flow) and non-recycling systems (top-feed drip), using coco-peat, rockwool, expanded clay pellets, perlite and vermiculite. For more exacting control, use the Pythoff Test Kit.
NOTE: Pythoff is not compatible with hydrogen peroxide or beneficial bacteria. It is advisable to test compatibility prior to routine usage.




Pythoff 500ml 22.95



Pythoff test kit 19.95 (will tell how much dissolved oxygen in your water)
 
Yes in the res,I don't know or think you can spray it directly on the plant itself.Roots i know for sure yes, plant tissue probably would not like HP very well.Hairdressers use 35% to bleach hair i bet it would do some serious damage to leaf tissue.I cant say form experience but this is what I'm guessing.Mites I have never had found this on our own site


byLunesta215 Floramite:mrgreen: its the best and will stay in the plant for up to 45 days. I had a bad infestation and this is the best stuff. I think its 30 bucks or so. But by all means get it



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by MrFishy Pyrethrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I use a pyrethrum based product called "Eight" . . . can be used up to one day before harvesting.
I wouldn't spray it on my buds, unless they were just starting.
For mites, no matter what you use, you'll likely want to spray twice . . . once to kill off the adults, again in 2-3 weeks to kill any hatchlings.



by capncash Hot shotz no pest strips are the bomb for spider mites



by itsamedicalnee I would just use this http://www.defenders.co.uk/pest-solu...e-control.html They sell other insects that will kill the spider mite.



by slamminsalmon i put a jar in the freezer for a couple days, and i took it out for a couple hours to let the moisture evaporate off the sides of the jar. believe it or not i actually saw some climbing up the sides of the glass after the first night. so thats why i chose to do a couple nights.just keep and eye on it. it worked fine for me.



by proheto8008
There is some shit from australia that is fairly new. Spider mits dont have a resistance to em. THis stuff is def the way to go. Ive only had em once, but this shit knocked em out quick.

just became available in the U.S. recently. Im hearing guys talk about how amazed they are that this shit works. My buddy got mites, and he battled them for a year in his garden before he finally just moved. He got em again, and used this shit and they were gone after one application.

heres some shit from the site

http://verticalhydro.com/index.php?m...8206094d991ed5

Spider mites destroy plant cells by sucking out their contents, and Mite-Rid works by providing a barrier which is harmless to the plant, but fatal to the mites. Some of the components of Mite-Rid are also absorbed by the plant and then suppress the life cycle of the mites. Mite-Rid uses a unique formula of botanical oils, including neem, garlic, eucalyptus plus surfactants to provide a protective barrier against many leaf eating pests, and most effectively, the Spider Mite.
The main active ingredient, neem oil, contains a limonoid called azadirachtin which has steroids (campesterol, beta-sitosterol, stigmasterol) which interrupt the normal hormonal balance of mites, suppressing its reproductive cycle. The neem oil used in Mite-Rid is cold pressed, as only oil of this quality will contain these steroids.


Mite-Rid is fully bio-degradable and is not toxic to animals and under normal use will not affect the plant's metabolism. Highly effective against two-spotted and red mites, Mite-Rid is also reporting success with Eriophyid mites such as the "Fuschia Gall Mite" which is endemic to parts of California and also known as the "Mendo" or "Mendocino mini". Mite-Rid comes in a concentrate form, and the 45ml bottle mixes with water to make 18 litres ( 32.7 pints) of mite killing spray.
One thorough application is usualy enough, but heavy infestations may require two, as the tiny eggs can be a bit more resilient; so we recommend a second application in these cases.
Get them before they get your plants!

They say prevention is better than cure, and just a little Mite-Rid goes a long way to preventing mite infestation. A periodic spray with Mite-Rid is the best way to never see your plants suffering an attack of spider mites.
Remember, when it's hot, and dry, mites are just a gentle breeze away from your plants, and they usually go undetected until they've multiplied to plague proportions. Just one spray every few weeks in the hottest season will protect your crop from this near invisible pest.
Whether you're an indoor grower, greenhouse grower, hydroponic grower, or outdoor grower, sooner or later the mites will find you!

Don't wait to see the damage,
get them BEFORE they get your plants!


http://verticalhydro.com/index.php?m...8206094d991ed5

I used this shit because i had an infestation early. I read about it on a forum and got some. (i was lucky cuz only one retailer was even selling it in the u.s. at that point, and he had just started a month prior)

After one application everything was gone.

give this one a try if you got the mites. THIS SHIT WORKS!



thanks really appreciate all the info! + rep
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
Nice information thank U.What are bennies?
Bennies refers to beneficial microbes. I prefer running a sterile res, but there are some people like myself that are plauged with the problem of brown slime algae, which is actually a cyanobacteria. This mimics the appearance of root rot with at least one notable difference...it never goes away. The sterilizing products available, of which I think Dutch Master Zone is the best, do a great job of killing root rot and everything else, except for this slime. In fact, if you have the slime, sterilizing the res just removes any competing microbes, so it grows out of control. Anyway, when this turns out to be the case the solution is to go the opposite way, and instead of sterilizing the res, you add as many beneficial microbes as you can in order to displace the slime.

Some people buy bennies in bottles or powder form. That can get expensive. They can be harvested much cheaper by bubbling some earth worm castings in some clean water. After 24hrs or so the beneficial bacteria and fungi will be breeding in the water. You can then keep this in the fridge and add a cup to the res every few days. The idea is that the microbes will colonize the roots and form a protective coating, depriving the slime of food and housing.

Even though it's fairly cheap and easy to keep bennies in the res, I really wish I could just add a sterilzing agent and be done with it. For a while, before the slime showed up, I was using Dutch Master Zone and I had really thick cord-like roots. Zone is really safe for the plants, ive used it at 3x the recommended dose trying to kill the slime. Zone can also be used as a spray to kill powdery mildew.

Physan 20 is a great product to sterilize equipment. It can also be used as a temporary soak for the roots to sterilize them if you already have a problem, but continuous use in the res is frowned upon. Some people are concerned it will contaminate the end product since is it so concentrated. I personally notice my plants are a little stressed if I run it in the res for more than 24 hours. If you use this product be careful, they say it will kill a septic system in no time.

Enzymes are a touchy thing if your goal is to fight root disease. It's really important to know exactly whats wrong before you try it. If you have pythium they say it will help, and i've heard it does. If you have the slime, enzymes will cause it to explode. That is why you hear some people saying zymes saved their plants, and others say it killed them.

I gave up trying to keep a sterile res when I found that bennies work for me, but I have been itching to try a few other sterilizing products that no one has tried on the slime yet, just because I hate it so much. I want to see it die!

Hydro-fungicide - "Hydro-Fungicide has proven to be one of the most amazing products available in hydroponics. It enhances the growth and general well-being of hydroponic plants by destroying the micro-organisms on the root-zone area of the plants, without harming the plants or having a toxic effect. Hydro-Fungicide is completely non-toxic and bio-degrada to any other forms of life. It pierces the molecule of fungi and bacteria exploding inside the molecule thus destroying it. This means fungi and bacteria are unable to build up an immunity to Hydro-Fungicide."

Watermax - "Watermax is a noninvasive neutral pH water treatment for use in all greenhouse and hydroponic systems. By inhibiting the formation of scale, mineral deposits, and bio-film Watermax will dramatically improve cleanliness and equipment life span. Watermax promotes healthy, faster growing plants through increased oxygen, calcium, and magnesium intake. Watermax is a safe alternative to toxic and corrosive chemicals."

Zerotol - "ZeroTol is a non-toxic fungicide/bactericide/viricide that functions differently than other products. Instead of coating plant tissues with chemical toxins, ZeroTol oxidizes fungi (including spores), bacteria and viruses on contact thereby preventing infection. Leaves no residue. When used as an ongoing preventative program, ZeroTol can help clean your facility and plants of problems associated with phytopathogenic organisms."

Then there is always the option of UV sterilization. Pet stores sell submersible units for around $50. UV works great at keeping water sterile, but could effect your nutrient solution, depending on what you use.
 

Gixxerboy

Well-Known Member
How to make a 3% Hydrogen Peroxide solution in the following quantities:
4 oz, 8 oz, 16 oz, 32 oz & 128 oz (1 Gallon)


It's best to use distilled water when available, especially if the solution is going to be stored for any length of time. If distilled water is not available you may use the following types of water (in order of availability): Reverse Osmosis, Spring Water, Well Water, and, if none of the previous is available, you may use tap water.


4 fluid ounces… Mix 0.34 fl. oz. (10.1 ml) of 35% food-grade Hydrogen Peroxide into 3.66 fl. ozs. (108.2 ml) of distilled water.


8 fluid ounces… Mix 0.69 fl. oz. (20.3 ml) of 35% food-grade Hydrogen Peroxide into 7.31 fl. ozs. (216.3 ml) of distilled water.


16 fluid ounces… Mix 1.37 fl. oz. (40.6 ml) of 35% food-grade Hydrogen Peroxide into 14.63 fl. ozs. (432.6 ml) of distilled water.


32 fluid ounces… Mix 2.74 fl. oz. (81.1 ml) of 35% food-grade Hydrogen Peroxide into 29.26 fl. ozs. (865.2 ml) of distilled water.


128 fluid ounces (1 Gallon)… Mix 10.97 fl. oz. (324.5 ml) of 35% food-grade Hydrogen Peroxide into 117.03 fl. ozs. (3,460.9 ml) of distilled water.






Peroxide Test Strips
Peroxide test strips are plastic strips with a reactive pad on one end. They are used to test the concentration of hydrogen peroxide in a solution. Dip the pad-end of the strip into the solution for 1 second then remove. Wait 5 seconds, then compare the color of the pad to the color scale on the strips bottle. Test strips measure from 0 to 100 ppm (parts per million). Hot tubs are kept between 30 to 100 ppm hydrogen peroxide.





How to Store 35% Food-Grade Hydrogen Peroxide

1.Keep away from light. Food-grade hydrogen peroxide will break down at a much slower rate when it is kept away from light.

2.Keep away from contaminants. When exposed to contaminants, food-grade hydrogen peroxide will break down much faster. That is why it is recommended not to introduce anything into the hydrogen peroxide solution that could contaminate it, not even a spoon. The liquid should be poured into a spoon rather than the spoon placed in the liquid.

3.Store in the freezer. When stored in the freezer, food-grade hydrogen peroxide will break down at a very slow pace. It will not freeze in a regular freezer because the FREEZING POINT of 35% Hydrogen Peroxide: −33°C / −27°F and regular home freezers typically do not go that low.

4.Store in a dry place. Hydrogen peroxide is very stable and will break down slowly when kept in a dry location that is not humid.

5.Store in a labeled container that has a tight seal. Always store food-grade hydrogen peroxide in a labeled container to eliminate any confusion. A tight seal or lid is also necessary to ensure it is not exposed to air and that children would have difficulty opening it.

6.Store AWAY FROM CHILDREN! Always store in a place inaccessible by children.


Hydrogen Peroxide Dilution Chart

Mixing 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide to get 3% hydrogen peroxide

http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-dilution-chart.html
 
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