Hydro Innovations Ice Box 8" for 4000w Cooled by Swimming Pool?

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DIRTHAWKER

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I have to agree Bob.. I am using the bottled co2 now and its a royal pain in the arse!! I scratched the whole using my house heater for co2 beacuse the exhaust coming out is piping hot and would defeat the whole puprose.

So i am looking into the hydrogen co2 natural gas generator mounted outside of the room, and ducting straight through the wall 1ft, heat will be outside but i guess they only work with water. (does it matter how hot the water is?) If im running it out of the room why would i need to chill it?? right?
 
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Bob Smith

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DIRTHAWKER said:
I have to agree Bob.. I am using the bottled co2 now and its a royal pain in the arse!! I scratched the whole using my house heater for co2 beacuse the exhaust coming out is piping hot and would defeat the whole puprose.

So i am looking into the hydrogen co2 natural gas generator mounted outside of the room, and ducting straight through the wall 1ft, heat will be outside but i guess they only work with water. (does it matter how hot the water is?) If im running it out of the room why would i need to chill it?? right?
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Dirt, check out a thread I started called "Sentinel Tent CO2" or some other such shit - it's kinda comical, and I actually pipe CO2 from a generator into my 4x4 tent (there's even a video with some great narration by yours truly). Might give you an idea or two, but you're right, bottles are a fugging biatch to deal with.

The fans on each tent will almost always be running. The fan/filter will be connected to a temp controller. The controller operates in 3 modes. off-idle-full. OFF at night when the temp drops below 60. IDLE (set on medium speed) at normal temps. FULL speed when temp gets above 80.

I will be using a 8" 700cfm fan on each tent for the filter-cooling.

I will use a seperate 6" inline just for the lights running out through the attic (on the same timer as the lights).

The water-heat-exchanger mounted on the line into the tent will provide cooling. The fans will automatically adjust their speed, and the CHHC will control the water pump.
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Either I'm not understanding what your setup is gonna be or you're not understanding what I'm saying.

You're running sealed tents with CO2 and Sentinels, correct? Basically like what I've got going on, but with three tents?

And your exhaust fan will be hooked up to a filter, correct?

If those are both correct, and you're indeed running CO2 in an (almost) sealed room, then your exhaust/intake fans WILL NEVER COME ON. Mine come on for ten seconds a day when my tent is running, and that's when the lights turn off and they cool the tent down for the dark period. For the other 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 50 seconds, the tent is just sitting there, being bathed in CO2, but also leaking out some stinky odors.

Now, if your fans are gonna be running more often than that, then you're going to go through about 5-6 bottles of CO2 a week.

Please let me know what I'm missing here, unless you're not going to have an "exhaust" fan and the 700CFM will just be recycling tent air through your filter constantly, which will mitigate the odors in some way.

EDIT: Just realized that you could be thinking of using bottles to enrich the entire garage and that would let you run the fans constantly, but that would also eat through a couple to a few bottles of CO2 a DAY.
 
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DIRTHAWKER

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Thanks Bob

Do you know if those hydrogen gens can be run on a closed loop with no chiller? does it matter how hot the water is? if its not in the room then who cares how hot the res gets..but just wondered if they would break down or something if i just continually pumped hot water through it just to activate it?

thanks for the tips, im gonna search for that video now.
 
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Bob Smith

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DIRTHAWKER said:
Thanks Bob

Do you know if those hydrogen gens can be run on a closed loop with no chiller? does it matter how hot the water is? if its not in the room then who cares how hot the res gets..but just wondered if they would break down or something if i just continually pumped hot water through it just to activate it?

thanks for the tips, im gonna search for that video now.
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As far as the video, just click on the "New Setup" link in my signature.

As far as the HydroGens, I have no clue - I did what I did with a "normal" 13K BTU generator (4 burners); judging from the posts above, however, it seems like the only reservoir you don't need to use a chiller with would be Lake Michigan.

Other then a major body of water (judging from the info above), a chiller is a necessity (or drain to waste).
 
smokingrubber

smokingrubber

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Bob Smith said:
Dirt, check out a thread I started called "Sentinel Tent CO2" or some other such shit - it's kinda comical, and I actually pipe CO2 from a generator into my 4x4 tent (there's even a video with some great narration by yours truly). Might give you an idea or two, but you're right, bottles are a fugging biatch to deal with.



Either I'm not understanding what your setup is gonna be or you're not understanding what I'm saying.

You're running sealed tents with CO2 and Sentinels, correct? Basically like what I've got going on, but with three tents?

And your exhaust fan will be hooked up to a filter, correct?

If those are both correct, and you're indeed running CO2 in an (almost) sealed room, then your exhaust/intake fans WILL NEVER COME ON. Mine come on for ten seconds a day when my tent is running, and that's when the lights turn off and they cool the tent down for the dark period. For the other 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 50 seconds, the tent is just sitting there, being bathed in CO2, but also leaking out some stinky odors.

Now, if your fans are gonna be running more often than that, then you're going to go through about 5-6 bottles of CO2 a week.

Please let me know what I'm missing here, unless you're not going to have an "exhaust" fan and the 700CFM will just be recycling tent air through your filter constantly, which will mitigate the odors in some way.

EDIT: Just realized that you could be thinking of using bottles to enrich the entire garage and that would let you run the fans constantly, but that would also eat through a couple to a few bottles of CO2 a DAY.
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I don't think you understand.

Co2 with sealed tents = yes

The fan will NOT be connected to the CHHC. It will be controlled by the TV2. The CHHC will control the water pump for cooling, the dehumdifier, the Co2, and a small heater.

The "exhaust" fan will suck through the filter and blow right back into the tent. I will connect a water-cooler to the intake port to cool that air. This will be on almost constantly. Then I will add Co2. The air will just be constantly recirculated inside the tent, and cooled by the ice box. I should not go through much Co2 because the tent will be sealed and recirculating.
 
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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
I don't think you understand.

Co2 with sealed tents = yes

The fan will NOT be connected to the CHHC. It will be controlled by the TV2. The CHHC will control the water pump for cooling, the dehumdifier, the Co2, and a small heater.

The "exhaust" fan will suck through the filter and blow right back into the tent. I will connect a water-cooler to the intake port to cool that air. This will be on almost constantly. Then I will add Co2. The air will just be constantly recirculated inside the tent, and cooled by the ice box. I should not go through much Co2 because the tent will be sealed and recirculating.
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Ahhhhh, gotcha; that's what I was trying to ask in the last line before my edit.

Although that will help control odors, as someone who did that for a week (sealed tent with a 425CFM constantly circulating the tent air through a filter), that shit doesn't control odors like you think it would (and I only have one 4x4 tent at the moment).

I had that going with two ozone generators and it wasn't enough; again, I honestly don't know what the best move for you is gonna be in terms of controlling that stank, but I'm just giving you a heads up that I expect it to be an issue.
 
smokingrubber

smokingrubber

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I can also add ozone to the garage if nessesary, since the tents will be sealed. I have faith though. I have a 4x9 packed with ripe bud, and my Can66 is doing an excellent job of handling the stank right now! This new grow will be right next door to my house (and my garage), so smell is a real concern! We'll have three 4x9 tents @ 6kw running within 50ft of each other. Lord help us.
 
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Bob Smith

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smokingrubber said:
I can also add ozone to the garage if nessesary, since the tents will be sealed. I have faith though. I have a 4x9 packed with ripe bud, and my Can66 is doing an excellent job of handling the stank right now! This new grow will be right next door to my house (and my garage), so smell is a real concern! We'll have three 4x9 tents @ 6kw running within 50ft of each other. Lord help us.
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Holy fucktwats.

Good thing I checked in on this thread, because I assumed that getting a mini-split installed was no biggie, and that was the way I was gonna go.

I was wrong:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7986&showall=1

Fucked if I'm gonna pay $6K for an AC system.
 
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Bob Smith

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DIRTHAWKER said:
Check this AC system out...

http://www.ac-world.com/proddetail.php?prod=R55GW2&cat=DUCTLESS SYSTEMS
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Yeah, but the issue is that installation guys won't install (or so it seems from the link I posted above) a unit if not bought from them.

Anyways, I had an epiphany last night - realized that I can certainly figure out a way to get an 18K BTU portable hooked up in my garage (and exhausted properly, either into my attic or through a vent I found last night in the garage), and can also run a 1/2 HP chiller up in my attic and have the reservoir in my garage (could even run a 1 or 2HP chiller and have that as the only cooling, but although water cooling is scientifically more effective, that's somewhat misleading because an AC will also dehumidify your air, which water cooling will not).

From the chiller, I'm gonna run a HydroGen and also an Ice Box or two (purely for cooling purposes) off of a 40-50 gallon-ish insulated reservoir.

Figure that should be able to keep an insulated 15x10 foot room cool enough even during the dead of summer (running ~2500-3000 watts HPS total, with a dehumidifier).
 
GanjaAL

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DIRTHAWKER said:
Check this AC system out...

http://www.ac-world.com/proddetail.php?prod=R55GW2&cat=DUCTLESS%20SYSTEMS
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Nice unit dirt... they even have them a EER20.

This one will run at 1300 watts. But the only thing is getting someone who is certified to do the charging. Instilation is not that hard... it is the certified person to do the coolant charging.

That is why I went the icebox method.

However there is a school in which I could go get my certificate in hvac.... now that would be nice.
 
TheRuiner

TheRuiner

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I'm working on an idea to cool a 3x3x6 tent with a couple ice boxes and a 1/2 hp chiller. I want to do something similar to what rubber is talking about and circulate the air in the tent, I'm curious about smell now having read this thread... I was going to add a little electrical tape to any spots that I could tell had leaks to see if that would help.. and seal up the vents real good on the bottom with tape as well. One 3x3 tent shouldn't smell to bad like that will it? I have a can66 in there as well.
 
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Bob Smith

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Hotwired said:
Any updates Bob?
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Yeah, building my new setup now, and have basically tossed the idea of ice boxes out.

Still gonna go with a Hydrogen CO2 burner with a remote reservoir, but the hassle of setting up ice boxes, a chiller (or two), a large reservoir, and then having to buy a dehumidifier didn't sit too well with me - also got input from some other growers online that it's not really worth the hassle.

Just gonna use a 14K BTU portable for simplicity's sake (KISS).

Still updating my thread (in sig) - planning to be fully operational within a month, but I update every day or two with my progress.
 
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Bob Smith

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TheRuiner said:
I'm working on an idea to cool a 3x3x6 tent with a couple ice boxes and a 1/2 hp chiller. I want to do something similar to what rubber is talking about and circulate the air in the tent, I'm curious about smell now having read this thread... I was going to add a little electrical tape to any spots that I could tell had leaks to see if that would help.. and seal up the vents real good on the bottom with tape as well. One 3x3 tent shouldn't smell to bad like that will it? I have a can66 in there as well.
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Trying to run a tent sealed is virtually impossible - I tried, but you can't stop smell from escaping from a tent.

Also, depending on how hot the outside room is, the tent lacks enough insulation to make cooling it a feasible and efficient solution.

I'm building an insulated room instead of using tents for the exact reasons above.
 
TheRuiner

TheRuiner

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Bob Smith said:
Trying to run a tent sealed is virtually impossible - I tried, but you can't stop smell from escaping from a tent.

Also, depending on how hot the outside room is, the tent lacks enough insulation to make cooling it a feasible and efficient solution.

I'm building an insulated room instead of using tents for the exact reasons above.
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Point taken. I love your idea of building an insulated room, that that's what I'd eventually like to do. Until them I might actually try to insulate the tent that I have since it would be a waste otherwise. I could always take the insulation and use it in the room I build when that eventually happens so then it wouldn't be a total waste of money in the end!
 
Vento

Vento

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rbahadosingh said:
could succesfully use my swimming pool water to run through the ice boxes thus reducing the need for a water chiller and save energy.
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Wait ... I will fly over in my privet leir jet and take a look lol :)

anyone ever try this???
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Yeah we all hook up our swimming Pools to our iceboxes ... Right fellas ? :)

Joking aside ..

Sounds like an interesting concept though dude .... got some pics ? ( not of your frikin pool :) )
 
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Bob Smith

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TheRuiner said:
Point taken. I love your idea of building an insulated room, that that's what I'd eventually like to do. Until them I might actually try to insulate the tent that I have since it would be a waste otherwise. I could always take the insulation and use it in the room I build when that eventually happens so then it wouldn't be a total waste of money in the end!
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You're gonna waste a lot more time and energy trying to seal your tent than you would just buying some 2x4s, plywood, insulation, and some panda.

Trust me, I know of what I speak.

Just sell your tent on Craigslist, and with what you get for it you can build a custom insulated tent to your exact specs.
 
1mikej

1mikej

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thats a great idea simply awsome. you might even warm your pool some. can i tell people i thought of it? lol lets us know how it works out.
 
HydroDruid

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rbahadosingh said:
just checked the water temp in my pool and its 45 degress..... i cant wait to get the ice boxes and water pump and see how good they work.....
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The dew point is around 65 degree's. If you run the water any cooler through the ice box you can expect considerable condensation to build in those 1000 watts. The chiller systems have thermometers built in to keep temp's ideal.

I would rig a water tank (55 gal) to the pool with a thermostat set to 65. As the temp rises the thermostate triggers a send and return pump system to slowly remove warm water and replace with cooler water until 65 is met. The ice box systems feed from a pump send/return system connected directly to the 55 gal water tank. A little more complicated but SAFE and will achieve desired results.

I think it's a great ideal to go for the ice box/pool ideal. You can run water cooled dehumidifiers, water cooled CO2 and air handlers as well.
Water is far more efficient then air at conducting heat. A proper water cooled system could save you a fortune in cooling.

Good luck,

HD
 
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