how to grow mushrooms the easy way

Greenunity

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Much light no...In fact I have had casings left in the foil to long start poppin em....Temp is a big factor(75-80) ....FAE is another thing to be taken into consideration.....You also need a 15psi Pressure Cooker....Yes you can reuse substrates to inoculate more spawn....But your better off making LC's and fresh jars JMO until you get your process down also twist your mushroom's off gently...Hope that help's a little
So they don't need much, but do need some? As in, I couldn't just leave the jars in a closed drawer in a closet without some kind of light?
Also, why bottled water when hydrating the casing?
Thanks for answering my questions! :D
 

WHODAT@THADOR

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So they don't need much, but do need some? As in, I couldn't just leave the jars in a closed drawer in a closet without some kind of light?
Also, why bottled water when hydrating the casing?
Thanks for answering my questions! :D
Your jars or spawn need no light at all you want them kept in pitch black.....You fruiting chamber is what will need minimal light room light is enough thats it....Ok think of it like this.....You inoculate your SPAWN(Wbs,Rye,Corn) whichever you choose put in shoe box kept in jars and dark temps around 75-80 deg until 100% colonized.....Or you can build your own incubator out of 2 rubbermaid tubs a little water and a fish tank heater...Next you take your jaws and spawn to substrate....Put substrate back in dark for X days until 100% colonized...... case with whatever your casing mixture is going to be and into your fruiting chamber they go in the corner of your room under your bed wherever it works best for you ....That is all very over simplified and I would recommend research:eyesmoke:
 

canndo

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Experiments a ndicate that only a fraction of light in the blue spectrum, once, can innitiate fruiting, all other conditiins being right. One of thos conditions is a change frim high co2 levels down to ambient.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Oh, I should add that I hang bulbs bare and vertically so when I say above the lights they'd still get light.

I will look into the spore shops, but I was curious - I've had a source of some seriously potent mushrooms for a long time. If I have a bag of them, can I knock some spores off and expect decent results or would I expect to see something that has been contaminated and not useful?
 

canndo

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If you take some of the dust and bits from your bag and put it in sterile water, dilute that, dilute it yet again and then innoculate agar dishes you will get tinu colonies. If you are careful you can collect those colonies that are the correct mycelium before your contamination sporulates onto another dish and try to get a sufficient number to have a dychariotic myceliar mass, you can recover your bagged mushrooms.

This is how i recover shaggy manes. The dilution must be such that only three or four points of innoculation occur in each plate.
 

Greenunity

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Experiments a ndicate that only a fraction of light in the blue spectrum, once, can innitiate fruiting, all other conditiins being right. One of thos conditions is a change frim high co2 levels down to ambient.
So would the light reaching the shrooms for a few minutes from being spritzed every day be sufficient? Or would there need to be a desk lamp in there once they go through the casing? Would the change from a closed jar to baggies allow enough FAE to effectively bring those CO2 levels down?
 

canndo

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So would the light reaching the shrooms for a few minutes from being spritzed every day be sufficient? Or would there need to be a desk lamp in there once they go through the casing? Would the change from a closed jar to baggies allow enough FAE to effectively bring those CO2 levels down?

That is why i wrote this tec.
 

canndo

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On light.

Remember, there is no photosynthisis. Fungus is its iwn kingdom. It os nrither plant nor animal.

Now, you are a fungus, you havr germinated on sone rich substrate and advanced beyond your competition. You exude your digestive substances and you colonize. You are happy to grow. (There are several funguses that actually snare nematodes, constrict and kill them and then eat them). Now.you ave encountered a signal that indicates it is time to fruit. Perhaps you lack the water you need to errect fruiting bodies which need lots of water. This is why the best foraging is a day or two after a rain. Perhapse you sense through your advanced hyphae that the nutrients are getting scarce. But you have no way of knowing if you ate close enough to the surface for your fruit to get above ground. They must be high enough for the fruit to use what ever mechanism is geneticly set up to distribute spores into the air (save for certain underground fruiting varieties or thise that use insects or animals.

What happens when you get close to the surface? You get at least a glimmer of light. More fresh air, usually a lower temperature. So light, not very much, will not only trigger but guide your mushroims as many will show tilting and elongation of stems, usually also, as my experiments have shown therr is no addition of mass for light starved fruit, the taller the stem the smaller the cap, in the situations i mention.

Oysters starved of light will grow very long, and woody stems but the caps will be small in compensation.

Shaggies, my most challenging projects will never fruit in low light.

I have found the the higher the fruiting temoerature of oysters (i am at about 103 F) TMore light they need.

In point source lighting you will see them all bend toward the light just like any photosynthetic seedling.

Agai, the orchestration if diminishing nutrient, cold shock, reduced co2 and light will always get you your best yield. The point is that you will eventually get about the same yield given the same nutrient, the same moisture content and the same conditions.

But you battle contamination after your second flush. If you can get eighty percent if your yield during the first two fkushes you need never extend your grow into the danger zon.
 

canndo

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I began to grow generally acceptable varieties many years after i had grown the magic ones, many graduate to them after tgey fall in love with the decomposers. I have grown a large variety since and have been working on oysters that will grow on palm fronds at the higher ambient temperatures inherent in palm growing regions. Most are grown in the lower temperatures. Palm fronds dont break down well, they are hard to compost, my worms hate them unless well shredded and the stringy nature of them has ruined many a chipper or shredder. The resulting mulch from mushroom waste is valuable.

My problem now is low yield and poor flavor. But i continue.

The other is a shaggie that will not autodigest if submerged in ice water. The money to be made there would dwarf most other commercial endeavors.

These persuits over fourty years helped me understand the mushrooms more popular on this site. And my occasional injestion of them has helped further.

I think the best thing that has happened is the popularity of the varieties we speak of mist here, it has caused many to take their knowlege to the next, and legal levels. Even the grest guru paul stamets began with his interest in the mind food he first grew.

This is why i duscourage pf tec. It does not encourage people to take the next step. Were it not for fungus, none of us would be alive.
 

madhatter369

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im looking for an xperienced grower of rye seed bag spore innoculation to pasturized cow compost for fruiting.its said by seller .....undiscosed bookstore.temp should stay 75 to 85 degreese. would a shroom blanket work?or do i have to live in hot-house conditions all year?
 

madhatter369

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madhatter369 asking does a rye bag inoculation.then mixed with5 pounds pasturized manure. they say keep all 75-85degrs. should a shroom blanket help me from using space heater.thats alota heat in summer.inside my house and in past i used the oldschool rice cake way.
 

madhatter369

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canndo madhatter369 here asking temps. and when and how long to put blanket and over or around bag then box o shit.this seems so easy and i think u also know it comes with a q-tip covered in spores drop in add water and start
 

canndo

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No, I have no idea about kits and stuff.


regarding temperature.

the mycelium will survive in anything above freezing, some will survive that.

there is a growth curve from 70 for tropical mushrooms, into the hundreds.

the curve steepens to the 86 degree mark and then quickly falls. I believe thermal death is 108. But beyond 86 (if I recall tha correctly), the metabolism is disrupted. The mushroom quickly begins to expend energy in staying cool. It will begin to shed water and stop normal functions.

at the other side, because metabolic functions and enzimes work best in a certain temperature window, you probably want to stay as high as you can.

if you are working with pasteurized substrate you also have a contamination window of two weeks REGARDLESS of any temperature above zero. That means you want close to optimal temperatures in order to ensure total colonization before the window closes.

now I suspect you just want me to give you a temperature rather than a long explaination but I can't. Here is why.

mycelium produces lots of heat as a byproduct of consumption. As the colonization progresses more heat is produced, substraits act as insulators and this continues untill full colonization is achieved. Then the temperature falls quickly.

so, if you were to have say, a six inch deep bed of cow manure and you kept the atmospheric temperature at 86, the bed temperature would cross into negative growth territory and possibly into death. A two inch thick bed would not.

that is just colonization and not casing, which is a different story.

keeping that in mind you would like the bed temperature to be in the high seventies or very low eighties.

but when you shift to fruiting, you mist likely want to bring the temp down to sixty for a few days (cold shock is not a requirement but helps in orchestration). After that there are many who hold that superior fruit is had by keeping the temperature below optimum colonization temo. Perhaps as low as seventy. Of course the grow will be slugish.

so, blankets will work for your first stage because of heat production but not when that quits. You can simply do nothing and your grow will continue at a slower rate.

a blanket will also tend to keep carbon dioxide levels up. This is very beneficial up until fruit time (oyster will live comfortably in atmospheres of 10,000 to 15,000 ppm. levels that can endanger human health)

at pin set co2 levels must come down to ambient. This is a trigger for most commercial mushrooms and continued high concentrations have deleterious effects on fruit. Oysters get long fiberous stems and tiny caps.

this is the reason for fresh air exchanges and fanning.

so your blanket will be a detriment to fruiting.

what have we learned?

if you can, test your bed temperature and not the air, they may be very different.

you need not grow at optimum if you have patience.

if you have concerns about your pasteurization window, just add more spawn

at pin set, relax in your cool environment.

oh, and if you are doing direct lighting be mindfull of the heat of your lamp.

I would suggest a bed temp of 78, a casing temp of 80 a shock temp of 65 and fruiting temp of 75.

but that is drawn from experience with a variety of different species.

agericus is lower, coprenus is slightly higher but a colder shock. I have found this shock is imperative for them.

oyster is best with a cold water shock at 60, but that may be only for strain.

get the concept down, think like the organism which responds to environmental changes very rapidly in order to grow as quickly as possible in competition with the hordes of other organisms. It also wishes to bear fruit at such a time when its spores are most likely to germinate anew.

it senses nutrient degredation. It senses that the cold season is on the way, it senses that it is just beneith the surface by co2 content and it knows which way is up by light.
 

Hydroburn

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fyi, as a first time grower this sounded like a pain in the ass, so I went with brf pf tek.

I will probably revisit the thread for my next run once I have more of a clue.
 

canndo

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fyi, as a first time grower this sounded like a pain in the ass, so I went with brf pf tek.

I will probably revisit the thread for my next run once I have more of a clue.

No tyvek, no injection ports, no fruitung chamber, no birthing, no fanning, no consolidation, no dunking, no rolling, no mixing, no temperature maintenence.

If it is a pain in the ass to clean your house, do your laundry and shower i really dont know what to tell you.
 
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