HOW TO GET A POUND OFF A 600 w hps

PlantEngineering said:

Yeah, i am also suspicious about space management. I had plan of growing 4 plants max, but all bag seeds turned to female so i have 6 plants and i can't throw away female plants In the same space i have pulled 200 + gm with autoextreame in my previous grow. Hope this time i can surpass the last harvest amount

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Ya i ended up grabbing a bigger tent because i couldnt ever manage a full p out of 36" x 20" there just wasnt enough room, 14.5 oz wasnt terrible though, but a 600 can and should do better than that.

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Uncle Ben said:

Experiment? Your mind is made up and like all the others at RIU who don't understand botany, you don't have a control group or a scientific study to back up your anecdotal evidence....so, you'll see (conclude) what you want to see. "As 'bud' i mean to say flowers , new growth which turns into flowers , growing flowers etc. As leaves are not part of 'final product', i don't see point on preserving them if removing enhance the final yield."

I'll clue you in. Leaves ARE the final product and in the end leaf and root mass is all that matters. Why? Another clue, because those units drive the very thing you're trying to produce.

Botany 101 class is over.......

Uncle Ben

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WTF !!

I see you are here to 'teach' only, so we don't have any common ground to discuss about defoliation or any other stuffs.

You are of course free to stick with your ultimate and entire knowledge of botany / farming etc. Good luck !
( I am not university student of botany, but small scale vegetable / crop farming in own field is my family profession since i was kid. )

Anyway, thanks for taking time to reply, though it was total waste of few minutes to go through ur reply and write u back.

kmog33 said:

It is absolutely impossible to increase yield of a plant by mutilating it. Change of growth pattern, sure. But you cannot increase potential of genetics of a plant. The plant has potential growth in optimum environment and anything you do to throw off this perfect environment will negatively affect this potential. So topping, defoliation, pinching, lollipopping all cause stress and subtract from this potential. Now given time to recover during veg, they plants may grow out with a more even canopy and all your buds may be more uniform, and you may need to use these techniques for your space which would enhance your environment, but its veg time and genetics that change yield, everything else is just situation dependant and in no way increases the yield of a plant to more than 100% percent of what it is capable of. Just saying.

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In my earlier grow, i only tried LST and never could get 10+ colas in single plant. The current grow is my second grow with defoliation. Following pic is a plant from first grow with defoliation, and it was better than all my previous grow


As defoliation is very condemned technique, i had also never thought to give it a try. The following article was bit convincing to see it by doing myself.

http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial

PlantEngineering said:

In my earlier grow, i only tried LST and never could get 10+ colas in single plant. The current grow is my second grow with defoliation. Following pic is a plant from first grow with defoliation, and it was better than all my previous grow
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As defoliation is very condemned technique, i had also never thought to give it a try. The following article was bit convincing to see it by doing myself.

http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial

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As i said you can redistribute growth, but not increase yield this way.

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redistributing the growth increases the yield you otherwise wouldn't have gotten in an indoor environment. No, you aren't boosting the genetic potential yield, but yes you are maximizing yield for your environment through training. Everyone knows if you don't remove leaves shading your lower colas, they won't fill in. This is especially true if you are using lower powered lights like 400w or CFLs. Has nothing to do with apical dominance and everything to do with the fact those bud sites and surrounding leafs need light to grow.

I also see the common false assumption that a leaf is 100% efficient through it's entire life cycle. Well, they get old and become less efficient just like everything else.

and if anyone thinks that is bullshit, go ahead and shade the lower half of your plant, only light the top, and see how fat those lower colas get. Or honestly just keep growing poorly trained plants, cuz no one really cares at the end of the day.

Hydroburn said:

Everyone knows if you don't remove leaves shading your lower colas, they won't fill in

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Bullshit. No, not "everyone knows that". Bottom line, you're not a good enough grower to pull it off (produce fat buds at the mid and bottom part of the plant), so, you make up some sorry excuse for your incompetency using the popular (and misguided) forum paradigm of defoliating.

Witness my lower budsites....... most bigger than your upper colas.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/

You may speak for your group of newbie friends but not me thank you very much. (Gawd, this RIU "we" thing......)

I knew a guy once that's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to go to culinary art school and his food tasted like shit. He had all the knowledge but really didn't know shit!
There is no place in the forum to have a decent discussion. Especially about defoliation. There are always gonna be people who think they know more then the others! If it works for you then good job proving it.

Old enough to have have experienced to many people like you in my life time. This is a forum for discussion not prosecution and prejudgments. All I'm saying is you don't have to push your knowledge on people like your the holy pot grower of all time! Yah you got degrees nobody gives a fuck. I understand you have load of hands on knowledge and you know your shit but,you can get more bees with honey!

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PlantEngineering said:

In my earlier grow, i only tried LST and never could get 10+ colas in single plant. The current grow is my second grow with defoliation. Following pic is a plant from first grow with defoliation, and it was better than all my previous grow
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As defoliation is very condemned technique, i had also never thought to give it a try. The following article was bit convincing to see it by doing myself.

http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial

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why do you have all of you dead leaves covering the medium?

@Maine Buds
No special reason, It at least preserves evaporation from soil in small extent, and as leaves decay as compost i normally mix it in soil for later grows !

Hydroburn said:

and if anyone thinks that is bullshit, go ahead and shade the lower half of your plant, only light the top, and see how fat those lower colas get.

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Even the top of the tops were barely lit. One out of 6 plants on 3x4 space (total 540gr, 1 gram popcorn....). Grown for more than half under other plants' canopy (full journalled also at RIU but missing album pics....)



Now tell me that's popcorn and I will get some close ups... hard nuggets from top to bottom.

I easily get 1lb per 600w now.. you need a good yielding strain, number of plants depends on how long you want to veg, I veg for around 3 wk with 1 plant, in a 20-25L pot/tray using coco DTW.. SCROG method.. IMO alot of hitting this mark comes down to genetics.

PlantEngineering said:

In my earlier grow, i only tried LST and never could get 10+ colas in single plant. The current grow is my second grow with defoliation. Following pic is a plant from first grow with defoliation, and it was better than all my previous grow
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As defoliation is very condemned technique, i had also never thought to give it a try. The following article was bit convincing to see it by doing myself.

http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial

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you missed a fan leaf ....
you gonna pluck that ? its aggravating my OCD

i use defoliation in veg
but removing fans is a last resort in flower IMO

Waddup growers, I was wondering how to get a pound off a 600w bps 4*4 tent.what additives to use? Or should I veg longer? N 2 weeks I'm going to run 8 plants in the tent STRAIN LSD barneys farm all clones? if any body grow this strain what's the remedy to it???

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If you are only going to do 8 plants i recommend u make sure u train the shit out of them. This isnt very many plants for a 4x4 area. I generally put 1 plant per sq/ft under a 1000w. I cant speak for 600w's specifically cuz i have never used one, but i think a 4x4 and a 600w is enough to run 12 plants easy. With 8 u need to spread them out, and keep a VERY even canopy. Basically the technique is very similar to a scrog, accept with no screen. Supercrop, LST, top ect until u have an even 4x4 canopy of bud sites before u flower (keeping plants short depending on your tent height). As you flower you have to maintain this, i use stakes and string pulling down the ones that stretch two much. I will even supercrop in the first month of flower if needed (carefully). You will have to defoliate the lower stuff as your canopy should not be letting any light through to lower branches. Using a technique similar to this i have grown 1.5+lbs per 1000w which is probably pretty similar to a lb from a 600w, but i did use more plants than u will be using.

A lot has to do with DNA, i have no idea if LSD will yield well in your setup. I always grew the same strain and dailed it in, so it will take you some trial and error and possibly experimentation with other strains/methods.

I have to disagree 12 plants is way to many for a 600 watter. I have a 600 watt and 4 plants that are at least 32 inches across and I have to squish them in so that they all are in the foot print. I have 6 in there right now and it's way to crowded!

well u need a bigger hood i think, a 4x4 area can be covered by 1 600w i am nearly positive of that.

purplehays1 said:

well u need a bigger hood i think, a 4x4 area can be covered by 1 600w i am nearly positive of that.

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Oh yes I agree on that but your not gonna get enough light to each plant to get total potential out of each one. I don't think you'll get a lb with that many 8 is even pushing it. I'm in no means an expert and I can't get anywhere near a lb but just thought I would share my research!

16 1 gal's soil less lolipopped >.>
clone army straight into flower and hope for a oz a piece
i dont see why it wouldnt be possible if you raised the plants on the outer edge
add a couple t5's around the perimeter and rotate plants ever couple of days center to outer edge

Waddup guys, I was wondering how could I get 3-4 pounds of medical cannibus? I have a 10*10 space. I will be growing in soil.