How should I use Neem Seed Meal in conjunction with other fertilizers

DankTankerous

DankTankerous

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DonTesla said:
The numbers your neem boasts is also much to consider..

I use a 4-3-2 so less N, and a bit more P



I would use your neem to amend your mix, at say half a cup per CF, and in a side by side, I would use the bat guano in a tea in third week of flower, and thats it, and see what happens; see how they perform, yield and taste, etc.

From there you will be armed with first and experience and knowledge, and can make an adjustment accordingly..

it will also come down to are you growing for volume or quality.. overall yield, or more so the utmost cleanliness and smoothness.. if you are immunocompromised or not may determine this for ya.
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So the Guano is Jamaican Bat 0-10-0 and I read somewhere using it in tea isn’t using it to its fullest extent? Do you just mix it in the water or put it in a nylon stocking? I’m in my second week of flowering right and planned on giving it guano in the next few days.

Quality is definitely my aim, my journal is in my signature if you want to take a look
 
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DirtRider357

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hillbill said:
I use and love it with Alfalfa and Kelp in my mix and teas. Good N source and makes things uncomfortable for pests. I don't use blood meal anymore and consider it a 2/1 replacement roughly. I top dress at 4 weeks and use it then also. I happen to like how it smells. Kind
Does blood meal affect taste of the flower?
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hillbill

hillbill

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I have not had any carryover myself on any amendment to taste or smell in 10 years of organics. Same with garden veggies and herbs. I have used buried fish remains and fish meal and fish bone meal and poultry litter and other very smelly stuff and never had problems outside or in.
 
Northernpop

Northernpop

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I was going to use 2.5% neem fertiliser/meal per volume of the following organic indoor mix, but I've read that it's a bit hot for seedlings.

Any experience of this guys? I could wait till the flower mix.


Indoor Soil mix - Northernpop 2017

Total = 80 litres (4 pots x 20 litres under scrog)

48 litres canna terra professional (60% total mix)

20 litres Perlite (25% total mix)

10 litres worm castings (12.5% total mix)

2 litres neem fertiliser ((pesticide/fertiliser/soil conditioner/biostimulant (2.5% total mix))

800ml Ecothrive Charge ((fertiliser/soil conditioner/biostimulant (<1% total mix))

20ml Garden lime containing calcium and magnesium
 
Socioman

Socioman

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Northernpop said:
I was going to use 2.5% neem fertiliser/meal per volume of the following organic indoor mix, but I've read that it's a bit hot for seedlings.

Any experience of this guys? I could wait till the flower mix.


Indoor Soil mix - Northernpop 2017

Total = 80 litres (4 pots x 20 litres under scrog)

48 litres canna terra professional (60% total mix)

20 litres Perlite (25% total mix)

10 litres worm castings (12.5% total mix)

2 litres neem fertiliser ((pesticide/fertiliser/soil conditioner/biostimulant (2.5% total mix))

800ml Ecothrive Charge ((fertiliser/soil conditioner/biostimulant (<1% total mix))

20ml Garden lime containing calcium and magnesium
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I think, it's very smart decision. About 2.5% - its normal!
 
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Wetdog

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hillbill said:
I plant sprouted seeds in exhausted mix with a little added castings and kmag and transplant into 5” squares of my final mix at about 14-17 days and they do fine by then. I don't like to make teas with any animal product other than castings. My coarser trim makes canna meal for mixes also!
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Northernpop said:
I was going to use 2.5% neem fertiliser/meal per volume of the following organic indoor mix, but I've read that it's a bit hot for seedlings.

Any experience of this guys? I could wait till the flower mix.


Indoor Soil mix - Northernpop 2017

Total = 80 litres (4 pots x 20 litres under scrog)

48 litres canna terra professional (60% total mix)

20 litres Perlite (25% total mix)

10 litres worm castings (12.5% total mix)

2 litres neem fertiliser ((pesticide/fertiliser/soil conditioner/biostimulant (2.5% total mix))

800ml Ecothrive Charge ((fertiliser/soil conditioner/biostimulant (<1% total mix))

20ml Garden lime containing calcium and magnesium
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You may want to bump that lime up a bit, the recc rate is 1cup/cf of mix (~23 liters).

I personally run perlite at close to 40% of total mix, but do at least 33% of total.

HTH
 
Northernpop

Northernpop

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Thanks for the heads up guys. I'll keep it in at 2.5% and up the lime too, as the neem meal has a ph of around 3.5 !!
 
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toomp

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Dr. Who said:
Neem is basically a personal choice.
There are 2 trains of thought on Neem meal use.

1 is use it and prevent bugs.
2 is that it has anti bacterial/fungal properties, and may inhibit bio activity.

You choose.

I choose #2......I want all the bio activity I can get.

There are plenty of other source's for the nutritional values in Neem...
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this is old. But have you changed your stance on this?
I used neem for the 1st time and the very next day i can see white activity on top of the soil. Never had this before but see the notill guys have it. Plants are very very happy. So is the soil.
 
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toomp

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Wetdog said:
You may want to bump that lime up a bit, the recc rate is 1cup/cf of mix (~23 liters).

I personally run perlite at close to 40% of total mix, but do at least 33% of total.

HTH
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I think you said neem not good for seedlings. I remembered this after I topdressed some 2 week olds. Gotta see how it goes
 
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buenochair

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toomp said:
this is old. But have you changed your stance on this?
I used neem for the 1st time and the very next day i can see white activity on top of the soil. Never had this before but see the notill guys have it. Plants are very very happy. So is the soil.
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I would like to know if anyone else can attest to "anti bacterial/fungal properties"? Living soil people? For sips?
 
hillbill

hillbill

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I use it in a similar fashion to Alfalfa Meal but it is richer in N, aerated teas and in mixes. Acts similar to feather meal. Down To Earth lists it at 6-1-2.
 
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Skopes120

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kratos015 said:
Ixnay the guano, there are so many other amendments that do the same thing and aren't nearly as hot.

I used to use guano back when I followed Subcool's recipe. Not knocking the guy by any means, he's a great guy and I want it on record that I'm not trashing the guy.. it's just that he'll be the first to admit that he isn't knowledgeable with organics and has been quoted as having said something along the lines of "I don't know how or why this works, but this soil recipe works for me and I just thought I'd share".

The only amendments I use in my soil are neem, crab, and kelp meal and that's it. I simply cannot say enough good things about neem meal. Not only does it have great NPK ratios for veg, but the integrated pest management it brings to the table is worth adding it to any soil mix all by itself. Not only that, but when you have spare neem meal that you aren't using anymore you can easily turn it into a spray that will work just the same as neem oil. Neem meal is pretty much just the remains from when they turn the neem into neem oil, rather than throw the remains away it's packaged as neem meal. That's why when you make a neem solution with neem seed meal you need more of it than the neem oil, because much like cannabis oil the neem oil is much more concentrated.

I know it sucks that you have leftover bat guano, but I can't recommend switching to neem meal enough, even if it does mean you have leftover guano. I stopped using guano a few years back in favor of neem meal and haven't looked back.
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if i’ve already mixed my recipie containing bat guano and it has been cooking 4 weeks can i now add neem meal? i will not be planting until the end of may?
 
kratos015

kratos015

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Skopes120 said:
if i’ve already mixed my recipie containing bat guano and it has been cooking 4 weeks can i now add neem meal? i will not be planting until the end of may?
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Guano should have broken down plenty in 4 weeks, you should be fine adding neem. Could even just top dress the neem instead of mixing it in the soil, less work that way.

If you're concerned about the NPK of the Neem (5-1-1, if I recall?) then you can just source Karanja Meal and use that instead of Neem. Karanja is exactly like Neem but it has zero NPK values.

All the best.
 
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