Clockboy Orange
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http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/4/doctors-without-borders-leaves-kunduz-after-airstrike-hits-hospital.html
These doctors sure didn't like it.
These doctors sure didn't like it.
How do you feel about America bombing a hospital?
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how do you feel about ISIS beheading americans?
Clockboy Orange
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I feel fine about it, we have killed more people in the middle east than they could ever kill of us.
then i'm good with the hospital bombing and trust the president..he's privy to more than we.
pnwmystery
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There's more to the story. Kunduz was recently taken over by Taliban forces, and the ANA (Afghan National Army) has been fighting a very brutal block-by-block retaking of the city. Now here's the problem: We've been weary about sending in airstrikes to support the ANA because of their history of abusing US airstrikes, like calling them on their economic/political rivals.
"Army Gen. John Campbell told reporters Monday at a press conference that Afghan forces “advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces.” Campbell made it clear that this differed from initial reports that said U.S. forces were under attack and called in the airstrikes for their defense."
One source I was reading said that ANA forces were mad that the hospital had been treating Taliban fighters when the Taliban took the city from the ANA, so they [ANA] called in an airstrike on the hospital as a punishment. Moreover, we didn't bomb the hospital but used an AC-130 to engage it, which only flies at night and uses cannons instead of bombs.
Now all that being said, I do however think there should be an investigation into what happened, it does look bad, it is a pretty bad thing that happened, and no one should really be "fine with it." Hospitals, under international law, are protected areas. We shouldn't just go "Ooopsies!" over it, but it is a really complicated scenario because the other option is putting US boots back on the ground in Afghanistan to verify airstrike targets.
"Army Gen. John Campbell told reporters Monday at a press conference that Afghan forces “advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces.” Campbell made it clear that this differed from initial reports that said U.S. forces were under attack and called in the airstrikes for their defense."
One source I was reading said that ANA forces were mad that the hospital had been treating Taliban fighters when the Taliban took the city from the ANA, so they [ANA] called in an airstrike on the hospital as a punishment. Moreover, we didn't bomb the hospital but used an AC-130 to engage it, which only flies at night and uses cannons instead of bombs.
Now all that being said, I do however think there should be an investigation into what happened, it does look bad, it is a pretty bad thing that happened, and no one should really be "fine with it." Hospitals, under international law, are protected areas. We shouldn't just go "Ooopsies!" over it, but it is a really complicated scenario because the other option is putting US boots back on the ground in Afghanistan to verify airstrike targets.
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So far it looks like the air strike was called in by the Afghan's because the Taliban was using the facility as a firing position.
Afghan Forces Requested Hospital Air Strike, U.S. Says
U.S. Army General John Campbell says a preliminary report is expected "very shortly."
By Yeganeh Torbati
Posted: 10/05/2015 11:01 AM EDT | Edited: 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Afghan forces asked for U.S. air support while fighting the Taliban in Kunduz shortly before an air strike resulted in the deaths of civilians there, the American commander of international forces in Afghanistan said on Monday.
U.S. Army General John Campbell's comments fell short of squarely acknowledging U.S. responsibility for an air strike that killed 22 people in an Afghan hospital run by aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) on Saturday.
"We have now learned that on October 3 Afghan forces advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces," Campbell said in a briefing with reporters. "An air strike was then called to eliminate the Taliban threat, and several civilians were accidentally struck."
Campbell said U.S. forces were not under direct fire in the incident and the air strike had not been called on their behalf, contrary to previous statements from the U.S. military. He criticized the Taliban for fighting from within urban areas and putting civilians at risk.
"If errors were committed, we'll acknowledge them," Campbell said. "We'll hold those responsible accountable, and we'll take steps to ensure mistakes are not repeated."
U.S. Army Brigadier General Richard Kim is the senior investigator on the incident and is in Kunduz now, Campbell said. He said the U.S. military will ensure transparency in investigating the incident, and that NATO and Afghan officials would conduct their own investigations as well.
MSF, also known as Doctors Without Borders, has demanded an independent international probe into the strike, which it referred to as a "war crime." Campbell said there would be U.S., NATO, and Afghan investigations into the strike.
"If there's other investigations out there that need to go on, we'll make sure to coordinate those as well," Campbell said.
Campbell declined to comment on whether the United States had called a pause to air strikes, but said he had not suspended "train, advise, and assist" support from U.S. forces to the Afghans.
Campbell said he expected a preliminary report on the incident "very shortly, in the next couple of days."
Afghan Forces Requested Hospital Air Strike, U.S. Says
U.S. Army General John Campbell says a preliminary report is expected "very shortly."
By Yeganeh Torbati
Posted: 10/05/2015 11:01 AM EDT | Edited: 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Afghan forces asked for U.S. air support while fighting the Taliban in Kunduz shortly before an air strike resulted in the deaths of civilians there, the American commander of international forces in Afghanistan said on Monday.
U.S. Army General John Campbell's comments fell short of squarely acknowledging U.S. responsibility for an air strike that killed 22 people in an Afghan hospital run by aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) on Saturday.
"We have now learned that on October 3 Afghan forces advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces," Campbell said in a briefing with reporters. "An air strike was then called to eliminate the Taliban threat, and several civilians were accidentally struck."
Campbell said U.S. forces were not under direct fire in the incident and the air strike had not been called on their behalf, contrary to previous statements from the U.S. military. He criticized the Taliban for fighting from within urban areas and putting civilians at risk.
"If errors were committed, we'll acknowledge them," Campbell said. "We'll hold those responsible accountable, and we'll take steps to ensure mistakes are not repeated."
U.S. Army Brigadier General Richard Kim is the senior investigator on the incident and is in Kunduz now, Campbell said. He said the U.S. military will ensure transparency in investigating the incident, and that NATO and Afghan officials would conduct their own investigations as well.
MSF, also known as Doctors Without Borders, has demanded an independent international probe into the strike, which it referred to as a "war crime." Campbell said there would be U.S., NATO, and Afghan investigations into the strike.
"If there's other investigations out there that need to go on, we'll make sure to coordinate those as well," Campbell said.
Campbell declined to comment on whether the United States had called a pause to air strikes, but said he had not suspended "train, advise, and assist" support from U.S. forces to the Afghans.
Campbell said he expected a preliminary report on the incident "very shortly, in the next couple of days."
Indacouch
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I'm an American and il be straight up .......I don't like seeing innocent people around war getting killed by my fellow Americans .....but I also know were there for a reason like be headings and other acts of aggression so if the guys who wana act like badasses and start war with us. Then Suddenly become pussys and hide amongst there people once there number is up there's guna be civilian casualties .....and some of these countries it's a known fact that these terrorists get sheltered by the general public hiding them........but that's hardly mentioned ...........either way war is an ugly thing but necessary thing IMO. Peace
Clockboy Orange
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It is just part of war, hospitals and churches are only used by pussies to hide.
Only posted this because the U.S could potentially see some backlash over the whole incident, whether it was justified or not isn't the issue.
Only posted this because the U.S could potentially see some backlash over the whole incident, whether it was justified or not isn't the issue.
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Darth Vapour
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WTF is ISIS beheading them on US soil ??? then ask your self WTF are they doing over there parading around in hummers stouting there guns shooting whom ever they please ???
truth is your losing the war which you were never going to win in the first place ..
So again there being beheaded for reasons not just random shit
Harrekin
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Are you fucking stupid?So far it looks like the air strike was called in by the Afghan's because the Taliban was using the facility as a firing position.
Afghan Forces Requested Hospital Air Strike, U.S. Says
U.S. Army General John Campbell says a preliminary report is expected "very shortly."
By Yeganeh Torbati
Posted: 10/05/2015 11:01 AM EDT | Edited: 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Afghan forces asked for U.S. air support while fighting the Taliban in Kunduz shortly before an air strike resulted in the deaths of civilians there, the American commander of international forces in Afghanistan said on Monday.
U.S. Army General John Campbell's comments fell short of squarely acknowledging U.S. responsibility for an air strike that killed 22 people in an Afghan hospital run by aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) on Saturday.
"We have now learned that on October 3 Afghan forces advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces," Campbell said in a briefing with reporters. "An air strike was then called to eliminate the Taliban threat, and several civilians were accidentally struck."
Campbell said U.S. forces were not under direct fire in the incident and the air strike had not been called on their behalf, contrary to previous statements from the U.S. military. He criticized the Taliban for fighting from within urban areas and putting civilians at risk.
"If errors were committed, we'll acknowledge them," Campbell said. "We'll hold those responsible accountable, and we'll take steps to ensure mistakes are not repeated."
U.S. Army Brigadier General Richard Kim is the senior investigator on the incident and is in Kunduz now, Campbell said. He said the U.S. military will ensure transparency in investigating the incident, and that NATO and Afghan officials would conduct their own investigations as well.
MSF, also known as Doctors Without Borders, has demanded an independent international probe into the strike, which it referred to as a "war crime." Campbell said there would be U.S., NATO, and Afghan investigations into the strike.
"If there's other investigations out there that need to go on, we'll make sure to coordinate those as well," Campbell said.
Campbell declined to comment on whether the United States had called a pause to air strikes, but said he had not suspended "train, advise, and assist" support from U.S. forces to the Afghans.
Campbell said he expected a preliminary report on the incident "very shortly, in the next couple of days."
The doctors that were there said there were no Taliban in the hospital or on its grounds because the gates had been locked and the compound was secure.
I'm sure MSF are just lying tho...
*rolls eyes*
Darth Vapour
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No matter what USA appears to do what ever they like n get away with it ,, if anyother country did this omg would there be a scream for there heads .. Double standard Geneva accord anyone lol
I simply posted a current news story.
Huff & puff & stamp your feet at Huffington post and everyone else that's carrying this story if you think it will do any good.
ricky1lung
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Gonna make it tough for the US to cry foul on Putin when they're bombing hospitals.
All this does is open the door for the Russians to either prop themselves up or sneak in some dirty attacks of their own.
All this does is open the door for the Russians to either prop themselves up or sneak in some dirty attacks of their own.
It's a black eye for sure.
Harrekin
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So you read American news (read: propaganda) to learn what is going on?
No wonder you're so ignorant.
Clockboy Orange
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Did you even read the one I posted or did you go looking for one that aligned with your agenda.
According to two articles it was a "bombing" not a "cannoning", if it is considered bombing on both accounts I have no clue.