How are these ladies looking? Any advice is welcome

dave and Em

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These girls are about 27 days from root rioters. Just curious how they look from a expert view. 4 different strains currently. Was also wondering with space issues how I should go about the flowering. As in scrog or fim blah blah blah. Thanks in advance guys and gals
 

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bigfattone420

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Not an expert(heck naw) ...They look nice healthy although seem you had a small issue....Definitely you want to fim to get multiple tops..List/Scrog is up to you & what the plants may do (growth wise) what space is available for use. All you need is one or two of those gurls to get unruly and grow like crazy,then you'd have a nice problem to have ...
 

dave and Em

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Yeah my lower growth was harshed by being in the jiffy pots too long. Grow space will be a 3x3x7 will 2 300 vipars and a 400 hps. Hoping to pack em in there this time around
 

Ringsixty

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Floor space is small for 12 plant stuffed into that space.
I know some will disagree. But, can be a real pain in the Ass trying to manage 12 girls.

I suggest you lay out the plants evenly. Then picture in you mind. What it would look like. If you FIM / Top or all natural.


JMHO
 
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dave and Em

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Well minus 1 . I'm gonna keep the mast kush around as a mom bc it has amazing structure. Just hoping to get a good pull. Hell I'd be ok with flowering now if the rewards were worth it. But I'm still a noob and working everthing out.
 

dave and Em

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Floor space is small for 12 plant stuffed into that space.
I know some will disagree. But, can be a real pain in the Ass trying to manage 12 girls.

I suggest you lay out the plants evenly. Then picture in you mind. What it would look like. If you FIM / Top or all natural.


JMHO
So maybe only 6 now and veg the shit out of the others while flowering? Do you think my lighting will be effecient enough? Sorry for all the questions.(not really lol)
 

Ringsixty

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So maybe only 6 now and veg the shit out of the others while flowering? Do you think my lighting will be effecient enough? Sorry for all the questions.(not really lol)
Lighting should be fine. Just manage that heat.
Vegging out 6 for a couple months, they would be monsters.. ha
 

kratos015

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Things look really good, although there are signs of overwatering I'm noticing. Some of your leaves are showing signs of Mg deficiencies as well slight N toxicity, however they appear at random on otherwise healthy looking plants, which tells me you may be watering them a bit too much. The only reason both of these issues would be happening is because of overwatering, which is causing your plant to uptake more nutes (N toxicity) but is also locking out Mg (overwatering makes your pH acidic, locking out Mg and others). Just be sure to use the lift test before watering from now on. Lift after a full watering and take note of how heavy the pot is, once it's light to lift then water. It is much better to under-water than overwater. That is pretty much the only advice I can give you because you're looking good other than that. Be sure to get your watering down before flowering, as this is something that can and will get worse and your yields will suffer.
 

dave and Em

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How are you protecting your flooring from run off?
If you need a pan. Check Petsmart, that's where I got one for my small flower room.
I actually pull the ladies out to water. This is just a temp location. The tent has a catcher below so no worries when they go to flower. Just hoping I can make this round kind of perpetual . everytime b4 something came up or wasn't to my liking so I would finish 1 run and close up until the time felt rite.
 

dave and Em

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Things look really good, although there are signs of overwatering I'm noticing. Some of your leaves are showing signs of Mg deficiencies as well slight N toxicity, however they appear at random on otherwise healthy looking plants, which tells me you may be watering them a bit too much. The only reason both of these issues would be happening is because of overwatering, which is causing your plant to uptake more nutes (N toxicity) but is also locking out Mg (overwatering makes your pH acidic, locking out Mg and others). Just be sure to use the lift test before watering from now on. Lift after a full watering and take note of how heavy the pot is, once it's light to lift then water. It is much better to under-water than overwater. That is pretty much the only advice I can give you because you're looking good other than that. Be sure to get your watering down before flowering, as this is something that can and will get worse and your yields will suffer.
Thanks man. They were actually pretty stunted from jiffy pots, but yes I did have a little watering issue the past week as I was oit Og town amd the only person I truly trust has little to no experience . So far for being almost a month old everthing looks ok? And if I were to go for broke and throw all the ladies in there, what would be my main concerns? Thanks in advance guys
 

kratos015

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Thanks man. They were actually pretty stunted from jiffy pots, but yes I did have a little watering issue the past week as I was oit Og town amd the only person I truly trust has little to no experience . So far for being almost a month old everthing looks ok? And if I were to go for broke and throw all the ladies in there, what would be my main concerns? Thanks in advance guys
Yeah man things definitely look ok from what I'm seeing. I wouldn't go for broke and throw all 12 in though because you'll end up with space issues and it would be a total cluster fuck in there, I agree with the people saying you should only run 6 in that room. You could even look into getting another room going for the remaining 6 plants, or just keep them alive under some CFLs until you have space for them. And of course, if outdoors is an option for you then definitely go with that.
 

dave and Em

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Yeah man things definitely look ok from what I'm seeing. I wouldn't go for broke and throw all 12 in though because you'll end up with space issues and it would be a total cluster fuck in there, I agree with the people saying you should only run 6 in that room. You could even look into getting another room going for the remaining 6 plants, or just keep them alive under some CFLs until you have space for them. And of course, if outdoors is an option for you then definitely go with that.
What the hell is going on?
 

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bigfattone420

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Well minus 1 . I'm gonna keep the mast kush around as a mom bc it has amazing structure. Just hoping to get a good pull. Hell I'd be ok with flowering now if the rewards were worth it. But I'm still a noob and working everthing out.
That's a good plan about keeping a mom...Also what @Ringsixty said earlier lay it out & formulate a plan.You can flower anytime there are plenty people that run 12/12 from seed..Nice thread here on that...Your choices/your grow/your call.......Just have fun!...Peace
 

kratos015

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What the hell is going on?
Remember when I pointed out that I was noticing signs of overwatering? Seems the signs of overwatering have now become worse and are starting to progress into a problem. Likely because it looks like you recently watered again?

At first you only had symptoms of overwatering, but it's getting worse now because you keep giving them water when they're good on it. Overwatering causes a load of problems: for one, the roots begin to drown as they become waterlogged. This invites root rot fungi to grow on your roots, but also waterlogs your plant because it's forced to drink excess water. Not only is all that bad, but the excess water the plant is taking up means it is also taking up excess nutrients from the soil as well. And if all of that wasn't bad enough, the excess water in your soil is creating the perfect conditions for anaerobic bacteria which is creating very acidic conditions in your soil. I'd be willing to bet your runoff's pH is sitting between a 5-6.

The overwatering is making your medium quite acidic which locking out nutrients (often appears as a Ca and/or Mg deficiency when it's really just lock out, Ca/Mg are often the first to get locked out). The yellowing lower leaves is N deficiency, the leaves getting lighter and lighter shades of green as they reach toward the edges of the leaf is your Mg deficiency, and those brown necrotic spots are either Ca or Mn deficiencies (likely both), red/purple colored petioles are P deficiency, and the chlorosis is from K deficiency. Yet, despite all of that, the leaves have burned tips and clawing that are synonymous with Nitrogen toxicity. You do not in fact have all of these deficiencies/toxicities, your pH/soil is too acidic because you overwatered. Not only is the constantly moist medium making things too acidic and locking nutrients out, but anaerobic bacteria have likely set up shop as well. Anaerobic bacteria will munch on the organic amendments in your soil, excreting ammonium gas as they eat. The bulk of this ammonium gas leaves your soil, wasting nutrients, while simultaneously causing N "toxicity" because some of the Nitrogen in the ammonium gas is readily available for the plants to uptake. The problem is for sure overwatering, possibly the type of water you're using, but regardless you are for sure overwatering.

What are your watering practices like? How much water does each pot get, and how often? Lay off the water for a few days and leave them alone. Go lift your pots and feel how heavy they are after being watered to runoff. Then wait until the pot feels light, that is when you water. Gonna be another 3-4 days until you actually need to water again most likely. They're still pretty small, so they won't need that much water.

Remember, it is much worse to overwater than to underwater. Overwatering is WAY worse. Worst case scenario with underwatering is the girls get droopy and slightly stressed, goes away within an hour or two of watering though. Overwater too much? Takes day to fix. You would have to go days without watering before these plants finally die, but if you overwater you create acidic soil conditions, root rot, pH fluctuations, nutrient lockout, and create the perfect environment for mold and pests.. fungus gnats specifically.
 

dave and Em

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Remember when I pointed out that I was noticing signs of overwatering? Seems the signs of overwatering have now become worse and are starting to progress into a problem. Likely because it looks like you recently watered again?

At first you only had symptoms of overwatering, but it's getting worse now because you keep giving them water when they're good on it. Overwatering causes a load of problems: for one, the roots begin to drown as they become waterlogged. This invites root rot fungi to grow on your roots, but also waterlogs your plant because it's forced to drink excess water. Not only is all that bad, but the excess water the plant is taking up means it is also taking up excess nutrients from the soil as well. And if all of that wasn't bad enough, the excess water in your soil is creating the perfect conditions for anaerobic bacteria which is creating very acidic conditions in your soil. I'd be willing to bet your runoff's pH is sitting between a 5-6.

The overwatering is making your medium quite acidic which locking out nutrients (often appears as a Ca and/or Mg deficiency when it's really just lock out, Ca/Mg are often the first to get locked out). The yellowing lower leaves is N deficiency, the leaves getting lighter and lighter shades of green as they reach toward the edges of the leaf is your Mg deficiency, and those brown necrotic spots are either Ca or Mn deficiencies (likely both), red/purple colored petioles are P deficiency, and the chlorosis is from K deficiency. Yet, despite all of that, the leaves have burned tips and clawing that are synonymous with Nitrogen toxicity. You do not in fact have all of these deficiencies/toxicities, your pH/soil is too acidic because you overwatered. Not only is the constantly moist medium making things too acidic and locking nutrients out, but anaerobic bacteria have likely set up shop as well. Anaerobic bacteria will munch on the organic amendments in your soil, excreting ammonium gas as they eat. The bulk of this ammonium gas leaves your soil, wasting nutrients, while simultaneously causing N "toxicity" because some of the Nitrogen in the ammonium gas is readily available for the plants to uptake. The problem is for sure overwatering, possibly the type of water you're using, but regardless you are for sure overwatering.

What are your watering practices like? How much water does each pot get, and how often? Lay off the water for a few days and leave them alone. Go lift your pots and feel how heavy they are after being watered to runoff. Then wait until the pot feels light, that is when you water. Gonna be another 3-4 days until you actually need to water again most likely. They're still pretty small, so they won't need that much water.

Remember, it is much worse to overwater than to underwater. Overwatering is WAY worse. Worst case scenario with underwatering is the girls get droopy and slightly stressed, goes away within an hour or two of watering though. Overwater too much? Takes day to fix. You would have to go days without watering before these plants finally die, but if you overwater you create acidic soil conditions, root rot, pH fluctuations, nutrient lockout, and create the perfect environment for mold and pests.. fungus gnats specifically.
Super lengthy response. Much appreciated man. I really did think I went plenty of days without water since they are only in 1 gal pots. I was actually worried about them maybe being bound. I waited about 3 maybe 4 daya before I watered again. I haven't been phing the run off just the water itself. The only 1 not affected at all was the master kush in a 3gal smart pot. But that could be the excess room in soil to buffer?
 
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